Originally by: Kirjava

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This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.

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Is this the thing
you're trying to do?

Originally by: Ixianus

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You can have my BPO's when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan

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News Flash. The T2 market is ownd by the moon miners.

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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Step 1.) remove all T2 BPOs currently in existance from the game, turn them into 1 run T2 BPCs.

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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void main()
{
 /* Player who is trying to shop */
 object oPlayer = GetPCSpeaker();

 /* Permission to shop item - get from the shop keeper. This can be a key
 to the player's house, a guild token, etc.
 If this flag is not set, then no item is required to shop. */

 string sItemTag = GetLocalString(OBJECT_SELF, "MYTHOS_PLAYER_HOME_SHOP_KEY_TAG");
 
 return;
}

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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Ok i guess i need to add this: if you don't have something to add to this thread don't bother speaking.

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no

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Gee is it possible to be less helpful? I think not.

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You can have my BPO's when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

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Why do i highly suspect you didn't manage to read 3 seconds past that one part much less the whole thread? Please don't bother posting unless you actually plan to at some level participate in the discussion in some helpful way.

[Editor's note: maybe he didn't read it because your posts are next to effing illegible. --QC]

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I will happily give you every TechII BPO I own. That make you feel better?

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All none of them?

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What year is this? First I read a thread that wonders aloud when the Goons will split from RA and now this thing about T2 BPs.

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First, who cares about goons? Second, T2 BPOs are a valuable part of this game any year they exist and therefore are a valid topic.

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///What the hell
///is this formatting
///all about?

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If you don't know don't worry about it.

BTW, it's a format from scripting intended to indicate a note or other comment. The three slashes tell the script to ignore the sentence following the ///.


Example:

void main()
{
/// Player who is trying to shop
object oPlayer = GetPCSpeaker();

/// Permission to shop item - get from the shop keeper. This can be a key
/// to the player's house, a guild token, etc.
/// If this flag is not set, then no item is required to shop.
string sItemTag = GetLocalString(OBJECT_SELF, "MYTHOS_PLAYER_HOME_SHOP_KEY_TAG");




But enought off topic banter.

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Originally by: Lurana Jade

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Your right T2 BPOs are broken, worse than before when people had at least an incredibly small chance to win one.

As is, the ones who got one in the past through the lotto, particularly high end ones...perma rich...FOREVER. No competition, forever. No way to catch up...forever.

Unless of course you have a "special friend" like some people have had in the past.

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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IMO there should be a way to get a t2 bpo from the npc. I dont care if it costs billions of isk and a standing of 9.9 and 24324242 LP with the research agent.

It should be possible is all.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Lurana Jade

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Your right T2 BPOs are broken, worse than before when people had at least an incredibly small chance to win one.

As is, the ones who got one in the past through the lotto, particularly high end ones...perma rich...FOREVER. No competition, forever. No way to catch up...forever.

Unless of course you have a "special friend" like some people have had in the past.

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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IMO there should be a way to get a t2 bpo from the npc. I dont care if it costs billions of isk and a standing of 9.9 and 24324242 LP with the research agent.

It should be possible is all.

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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ok heres a way to once and for all put T2 BPOs into their place.
I believe the current system is just as or even more so broken than the old system.... in various ways. (i wont go into that now)

so heres my idea that i believe would fix the problem permanantly.....

Step 1.) remove all T2 BPOs currently in existance from the game, turn them into 1 run T2 BPCs.

///that will make the playground as even as possable considering the size of the
///debacle it is.
///I will admit step one is a rather harsh step, but i know id feel better were it
///not skipped. but even in the unlikely even this would be considered.
///im certain step one would be ommited from this plan. Still better step 2 alone
///than no step 2 at all.
///and now for step 2 the more indepth step.

Step 2.) add a new item to the game (for now well call it a B.P.T. or Blueprint Template).
a BPT can be used in conjunction with T2 BPCs to in the end create a new T2 BPO.

one must go about the current fashion of creating a T2 BPC. that T2 BPC can be used to advance the BPT 0.1% twards becoming a T2 BPO per run on the T2 BPC. Thus a 10 run T2 BPC could be used to advance the BPT by 1% twards becoming a T2 BPO.

The method of combining the T2 BPC and the BPT would be simmilar to Material and Production Efficiency research as it is today, choose the BPT, and a given T2 BPC click a few buttons to install the job and wait. Depending on the meta level of the T2 BPC (or meta level of the item the T2 BPC would make) and the number of runs a given T2 BPC has on it or that you dedicate to the task your attempt may be completed within a few hours to a few weeks.

In the end its quite an expensive proposition to develope T2 BPOs under this method,
(and thus keeps the T2 BPOs value up.)
but at the same time makes them avail to all players at their option.

T2 BPCs would continue to function as they always have in reguards to being able to be used to make ships with.
so to BPO or not to BPO, that is the option.

I figure the average player would be able (assuming they will tend to spend isk on other things besides just making T2 BPOs) to produce approximately 2 T2 BPOs in a years time. a nice thing considering the smaller alliances can direct their efforts and end up with a decent array of T2 BPOs geared twards whatever path in eve they may choose to take.

///i believe this has probably a less than zero chance of ever happening.
///the devs have their sets of T2 BPOs now and most likely so do all their personal
///friends. as for the rest of us who want them oh well we dont count i guess as we
///only keep their paychecks from bouncing.
///but for the sake of arguement lets hear what people have to say on this topic.

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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ok heres a way to once and for all put T2 BPOs into their place.
I believe the current system is just as or even more so broken than the old system.... in various ways. (i wont go into that now)

so heres my idea that i believe would fix the problem permanantly.....

Step 1.) remove all T2 BPOs currently in existance from the game, turn them into 1 run T2 BPCs.

///that will make the playground as even as possable considering the size of the
///debacle it is.
///I will admit step one is a rather harsh step, but i know id feel better were it
///not skipped. but even in the unlikely even this would be considered.
///im certain step one would be ommited from this plan. Still better step 2 alone
///than no step 2 at all.
///and now for step 2 the more indepth step.

Step 2.) add a new item to the game (for now well call it a B.P.T. or Blueprint Template).
a BPT can be used in conjunction with T2 BPCs to in the end create a new T2 BPO.

one must go about the current fashion of creating a T2 BPC. that T2 BPC can be used to advance the BPT 0.1% twards becoming a T2 BPO per run on the T2 BPC. Thus a 10 run T2 BPC could be used to advance the BPT by 1% twards becoming a T2 BPO.

The method of combining the T2 BPC and the BPT would be simmilar to Material and Production Efficiency research as it is today, choose the BPT, and a given T2 BPC click a few buttons to install the job and wait. Depending on the meta level of the T2 BPC (or meta level of the item the T2 BPC would make) and the number of runs a given T2 BPC has on it or that you dedicate to the task your attempt may be completed within a few hours to a few weeks.

In the end its quite an expensive proposition to develope T2 BPOs under this method,
(and thus keeps the T2 BPOs value up.)
but at the same time makes them avail to all players at their option.

T2 BPCs would continue to function as they always have in reguards to being able to be used to make ships with.
so to BPO or not to BPO, that is the option.

I figure the average player would be able (assuming they will tend to spend isk on other things besides just making T2 BPOs) to produce approximately 2 T2 BPOs in a years time. a nice thing considering the smaller alliances can direct their efforts and end up with a decent array of T2 BPOs geared twards whatever path in eve they may choose to take.

///i believe this has probably a less than zero chance of ever happening.
///the devs have their sets of T2 BPOs now and most likely so do all their personal
///friends. as for the rest of us who want them oh well we dont count i guess as we
///only keep their paychecks from bouncing.
///but for the sake of arguement lets hear what people have to say on this topic.

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Originally by: El'Niaga

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Step 1 is reasonable, remove them all. They should have removed them when invention was introduced.

Step 2 is unnecessary with invention. Just let the inventors do their work.

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Originally by: Copy Paste

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Where does it ever say that eve should be equal for everyone, do you realise how boring that would be??

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Step 1 is not reasonable. T2 BPOs are now valuable assets, but not the ISK-printing machines of old. And those assets were mostly paid for not won for "free".

The BPO vs Invention situation keeps both sides honest. And removing the BPOs would reduce supply and increase prices, which as a buyer of T2 benefits me not at all.

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1. Is T2 BPOs vs T2 BPC invention balanced? If Yes, stop posting the same stuff over and over, point the OP to where it's already been reasoned out, and move on. If No, proceed to step 2.


2. Ask a series of questions, much in the same way the CSM will, in the context of the entire EVE universe, not an individual's profits:


3. What is the imbalance?


4. What actually needs addressing?


5. Does the current approach hurt the game, disadvantage any particular group, and would any new approach improve without doing the above?

• Change T2 BPOs into BPCs of equivalent value, some suitably very large number of runs.


• Improve invention to allow the BPCs to be equivalent to a researched BPO in terms of efficiencies.

Originally by: Astria Tiphareth

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Whilst I don't agree with the OP's methods or know for certain that there is actually a problem, I'm disappointed to see such selfish behaviour in the Features thread. If you want to flame-bait, go spend time in General Discussion where it belongs.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth

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Whilst I don't agree with the OP's methods or know for certain that there is actually a problem, I'm disappointed to see such selfish behaviour in the Features thread. If you want to flame-bait, go spend time in General Discussion where it belongs.

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This thread was moved from GD at around post #29 or so....

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Originally by: ThisAlt IsUseless

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no

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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Step 1.) remove all T2 BPOs currently in existance from the game, turn them into 1 run T2 BPCs.

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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one must go about the current fashion of creating a T2 BPC. that T2 BPC can be used to advance the BPT 0.1% twards becoming a T2 BPO per run on the T2 BPC. Thus a 10 run T2 BPC could be used to advance the BPT by 1% twards becoming a T2 BPO.

...

I figure the average player would be able (assuming they will tend to spend isk on other things besides just making T2 BPOs) to produce approximately 2 T2 BPOs in a years time.

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Originally by: Danesta Rictor

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//i believe this has probably a less than zero chance of ever happening.
//the devs have their sets of T2 BPOs now and most likely so do all their personal
//friends. as for the rest of us who want them oh well we dont count i guess as we
//only keep their paychecks from bouncing.
//but for the sake of arguement lets hear what people have to say on this topic.

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Originally by: Empire marketslave

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Edited by: Empire marketslave on 28/03/2008 08:37:14
here is a question for you

rather than remove t2 bpo why not boost invention to be more competitive?

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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You obviously have no clue about the subject of what you are talking about, do you?

Not going to happen.

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