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Mariana Benn
Giza and co
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mariana Benn on 28/03/2008 12:32:13 While I've been in several small corp wars, I don't have much solo pvp experience. I would love to get into that aspect of the game, but I keep hearing that you really need a team to pvp these days.
I know experienced players still solo, but personally I don't know too many that do anymore. When I first started there seemed to be more. What about that learning curve is it worth all the ships lost to gank squads? So in essence, is it true that solo pvp is just not viable anymore without bankrupting yourself?
In case the answer is solo pvp still rules... this Amarr pilot's got a few questions
I have solid skills and can fly just about any Amarr ship short of capitals and marauders. I'm not too interested in killing soft targets like haulers, miners and nooby ratters (I can do that already), I would like to be able to hold my own against the big boys, maybe go after some bounties. I love my absolution for the bs-like power and decent tank, but what about that lack of mid slots? I know command ships aren't technically designed for solo play, but can they be made to be? Maybe a HAC or recon (for stealth) would be better. Right now I'm thinking of going with a sac or the new buffed zealot? What would people suggest, a tank or nano fit? What about some solo strategies?
"Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:31:00 -
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Solo pvp is still doable, it just the ratters awareness has now grown. You go soloing in 0.0 and 9/10 ratters will cloak or log.
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Neon Razor
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:50:00 -
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in 0.0 u most likely dont find any solo pvp'ers to fight with. if u find one single guy , attac him , and a 10-20 man gang will blob u :)
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Liam Fremen
Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:57:00 -
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If you are not nanoed, you will end up in a gatecamp dieing :(
You need to be fast for that, re-approaching etc, is risky at same but only chance to survive if u catch a camp...
Nano-zealot is a very cool ship actually, it use the whole 5 turrets not using grid on low slots :)
there are plenty of "mixed" fitting, btw for finding something to kill u have to roam a bit, try to find some lone player, hard, most time u will have to run with ppl ganking ya etc... _________________________________________________
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Trevor Warps
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 28/03/2008 15:20:22 Solo still exists.
And it MUST survive.
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Lyria Skydancer
Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mariana Benn Edited by: Mariana Benn on 28/03/2008 12:32:13 While I've been in several small corp wars, I don't have much solo pvp experience. I would love to get into that aspect of the game, but I keep hearing that you really need a team to pvp these days.
I know experienced players still solo, but personally I don't know too many that do anymore. When I first started there seemed to be more. What about that learning curve is it worth all the ships lost to gank squads? So in essence, is it true that solo pvp is just not viable anymore without bankrupting yourself?
In case the answer is solo pvp still rules... this Amarr pilot's got a few questions
I have solid skills and can fly just about any Amarr ship short of capitals and marauders. I'm not too interested in killing soft targets like haulers, miners and nooby ratters (I can do that already), I would like to be able to hold my own against the big boys, maybe go after some bounties. I love my absolution for the bs-like power and decent tank, but what about that lack of mid slots? I know command ships aren't technically designed for solo play, but can they be made to be? Maybe a HAC or recon (for stealth) would be better. Right now I'm thinking of going with a sac or the new buffed zealot? What would people suggest, a tank or nano fit? What about some solo strategies?
Check out my vids for all your answers. Skirmish Warfare I and II. I wouldnt recommend soloing in the absolution generally. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II |

Captain Mosey
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps Edited by: Trevor Warps on 28/03/2008 15:20:22 Solo still exists.
And it MUST survive.
Captain Mosey concurs. Captain Mosey also conquers.
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Eneela M
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:54:00 -
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I can't tell you how much fun solo pvp was in 03 and 04, at least 50% of the people you met in 0.0 were solo and itching for a fight. Nowadays if you're not in a small nano ship blob death is pretty much guaranteed within 2 jumps.
I think it's a good thing that the game has become more popular and more aimed towards teamwork, but it's been very much at the expense of this side of the game.
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Marcus TheMartin
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:00:00 -
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Solo Pvp exists but 0.0 is the wrong place to look for it.
In 0.0 they will log off
Alert the intel channel then log off
Warp and cloak
dock up and smack you from inside a station
Pop a cyno
or logoff
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:12:00 -
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Lol...
Let me just write down what happened to me this Thursday evening...
I went to my favorite low sec hunting area (not telling ;) ) in my Sac. I knew that each evening if you are patient you will get a fight or two. So first I pop 2 haulers at the gate and then I jump into a dead end system where ppl just love to rat. I scan around and find a Drake siting alone at a belt -> jump in, point on, pew pew, point on pod, pew pew, loot, safe... then his corp mates start smacking in local. I scan some more and I find another Tempest and a Raven. Raven pilot smacks me just enough to start a 1 on 1. I just knew it was a trap but I still jumped in and as the Raven was in Hull the Tempest jumps in. I finish the Raven and start working on the Tempest and now the guy i poded before is back in a Dominix. So he joins the party. And it was not 5 minutes and the Raven pilot was back in a new Ferox. In the next 15 minutes I had a blast -> poping all their drones (****load), up to this point my armor was stable the whole time (90% - 100%). I would have picked them off one by one easily... if an Astarte would not jump in as the Dominix was entering hull. Astarte landed close by and had a domination web -> suffice to say I was dead in less then 30 sec.
Was a blast nevertheless -> the above story is why I like to fly solo PVP... sure you get killed in the process but nothing else can compare to that adrenaline rush you get from doing it...
So to answer the OP... solo PVP is still alive and kicking!
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Odium47
W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:18:00 -
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If you are talking about solo pvp in ships at least at BC hull level, i can tell you by now that for 0.0 systems you must forget about it. Not even a BS gang won't survive much nowadays in 0.0 sec systems. The biggest ship you can use for solo pvp in 0.0 is a HAC/HIC/Recon, anything else is not fast enough to evade an incoming gang. Low Sec is more suitable for big ships, but jumping through a gate is not restricted if one warps in 0 m. If one gets targeted after jumping, will only run back to the gate and jump back and will definetly use the aggresion time to evade. That is the big problem, big ships can hardly warp and elude an opponent, but they have better chances to do it in low sec.
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Eneela M
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Eneela M on 28/03/2008 16:26:13 the problem with low sec pvp is that 95% of the fights are non-consensual, so they aren't tanked for pvp, don't have web/scram & most aren't particularly experienced. Put that together with the loss of sec and it soon becomes unattractive when you know what solo 0.0 pvp used to be like.
Also as much as people used to moan about warp core stabs, and i was one of them, they certainly allowed for alot more fights & cat and mouse stuff pre warp bubble.
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Enkilil
Carbon Moon Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Enkilil on 28/03/2008 16:31:12
Originally by: Eneela M Nowadays if you're not in a small nano ship blob death is pretty much guaranteed within 2 jumps.
Not looking to flame here, but you make it sound like the nanosploit was the result of the 0.0 gang / blob and not the other way around 
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Solo Pvp exists but 0.0 is the wrong place to look for it.
In 0.0 they will log off
Alert the intel channel then log off
Warp and cloak
dock up and smack you from inside a station
Pop a cyno
or logoff
or Hunt you down and pod you :D
^fixed
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Eneela M
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:32:00 -
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i don't think it's a sploit at all, I think it's a viable setup.
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Moridan
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:14:00 -
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You die a lot solo pvp. My clones are getting expensive after all these years. Have to create an alt to really have fun without grinding for money all the time.
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rudi Storm ...I like to fly solo PVP... sure you get killed in the process but nothing else can compare to that adrenaline rush you get from doing it...
A long walk? Sporting? Having sex? Dating someone? Winning some kind of match? A ride in a rollercoaster?
So i guess these things are the RL equivalent of pvp
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Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^ |

Crellion
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:47:00 -
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I have been flying since 2005 and while my best moments were from gang (not gank) action I draw most of my day to day fun from solo pvp: High points in my soloing days:
-Thorax with 8xOgres soloing miner BSs - Soloing in a Beagle without a point (in those days there was no EM rig) and getting kills LOL - My first med shield extender Crow with rockets. I think I was one of the first or the first and it won me a lot of inty 1v1s. RA was my main foe at the time and some of them will remember... - Snipermega when they first introduced Spike. Favorite target goons. I even solo snipered a Prophecy in the time it took him to return to gate, change his mind and attempt to warp off... (as a noob I had lost a Ferox to a Mega much like that :D) - My first Gankathron, 1v3 ratting BSs in Sybdicate... what a feeling of invinvibility... - 3xneutron and dcuII Taranis... that bugged me notably a 2xmar Brutix when his 800s finished LOL - Nanophoon> Kaar started the craze and we have been playing together forever so I can be excused :P - Pilgrim with NOS > the best npckiller yet. - Half nano Curse with Halos isntead of snakes and TDs... laughs like nothing else :D - Astarte! Now when they first gave me one I fell in love. Getting caught in a gatecamp killing everyone thats slower than you, going back to the gate deagressing and jumpring out, omg what a ship. - Cerberus when they first gave us precision heavies... we would go gang v gang and I would solo all of the support of the enemy fleet :D 1 salvo per frig, max 2 :D - NanoIshtar... the best nanoship of them all IMO. tens of kills 0 losses with that one.
All the above (and other things I am forgetting) were all soloing experiences. I love solo becaus eof the sense of freedom. No politics no waiting around, mount and go. There are rules but its highly doable.
If there is a single most important thing for soloing is this: First learn them and then outhink them.
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Arlana Aarro
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 19:23:00 -
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You can still find some solo fights in some areas of low sec. I like to solo. But if I get in over my head and start to loose, my alt's Falcon decloaks and ensures that I win. 
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Zemeckis R
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.28 19:38:00 -
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my every solo fight always end in a gank-fest they usually start 1vs1, or 2vsMe or moreVsMe, but then they find that they are not able to win and call for friends this is sad to me, 'couse it require a huge amount of time to buy and t2 fit and rig my ships, 'couse i have so few time to play, but my love for solo pvp make me do it over and over again
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Corstaad
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.28 20:14:00 -
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Solo is very active in low sec. From my XP its mainly frig,cruiser,and BC size encounters otherwise people seems to have pocket friends. Its not all nubs either you just have to be take your time and let thing develop for it to work out.
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Car Wars
O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 20:25:00 -
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solo still exist: use a vagabond or a nano-ishtar...
If you want to use a real ship, well you can solo (safe solo): buy a top notch computer and setup an alt in an inty, an alt in a falcon and a char in an astarte (real solo pvp aint it ).
I normally fly and astarte and alt in falcon with probes and a scrambler. Even then, to a capable camp your falcon will die 5 out of 10 times, leaving your astarte stranded.
In general in anything not nano: you will have to log frequently as you come by a lot of blobs... which all have huggins and dictors these days.
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Corstaad
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.28 20:47:00 -
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Don't dual box you end up half arse playing both. Its maybe a force multiplier by like 1.1 but double the loots.
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Car Wars
O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 23:16:00 -
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dual boxing is ok if you have some pvp experience and pick two ships that you are both very familiar with. Ads a nice kick to it if more people warp in 
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Nomakai Delateriel
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:27:00 -
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Check out Beyond divinitys killboard and look for the pilot "Ugluuk". Solo PvP is still alive and kicking. And he isn't just flying Ishtars/vagas. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

FinalFlash84
Steel Beasts
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:47:00 -
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Solo exists for nearly every ship class, you just have to search for it (and thats the most boring part)
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LoganFire
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:54:00 -
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Solo Pvp is dead I am so cool |

n0thing
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 15:17:00 -
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Solo pvp imo now exists like this:
1. Pick a relatively quiet 0.0 region/area. 2. Get the ship you know to fight with best, fit it to the top of your abilities. 3. Go to the area at non-peak hours, pick systems with no more then 10-15 ppl in local, unless your really good at it. 4. Start dragging attention, shoot a ratter, camp stn, but be quiet in local at all times. Dialog is bad idea, since then they can check when you go afk at ss or anything like it. 5. Wait for 2-3 or maybe up to 4 to gather on you, then lead them into your own combat terms while making em think they are the ones who are hunters. 6. Kill em all, laugh and go to next area.
Tbh, if you have around 20mil+ SP specialized in certain area, provided you pvped most of your play-time, you can pull off 1vs3`s quite easily if you can clearly see whats against you. Meaning 3vs1 against EW ships wont go easy.
Once again, solo 1v1 is dead, now its 1 vs Multiplie. Fun? Yes, Rewarding? Yes, Risky? Hell yes.
But, sometimes hard to find right areas to visit. ---
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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.29 15:27:00 -
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There are fat better ships for solo pvp this era than ever before. The only issue is the blobs there and tehre.
So solo PVP is very risky, what you need is dual pvp, Or get an alt scout.
Yes, you need a scout a lot more than ever before
Quote: You are what you are, fool
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Anubis Xian
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Posted - 2008.03.29 16:27:00 -
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I used to solo in 0.0 with a Stabber. Interceptors were the only things that could really give me any kind of challenge.
Those days are long over now though...now you need much more money and skills to do what a cheap 6 mil ship used to be able to do.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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n0thing
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Posted - 2008.03.29 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 29/03/2008 16:50:56 There are fat better ships for solo pvp this era than ever before. The only issue is the blobs there and tehre.
So solo PVP is very risky, what you need is dual pvp, Or get an alt scout.
Yes, you need a scout a lot more than ever before
its basiclly this. A hugin, and an arazu with 3 damps on you, will give you a very bad day if they catch you. So like said, , scout scout scout. not every target is killable, the age of the iwin pawnmobile was over a long time ago.
Alt scout is easy to fool and make your main come into a trap. Alt is great thing if you make it fly EW support ship.
Tbh, I never engage any EW T2 cruiser+ sized ship. Not worth it, and tbh, the solo pvp ships still remain: Vagabond/Ishtar/Vexor/Stabber/Rupture/Crow/Sleipnir...and some others. New T2 ships didnt really add to solo or small scale combat. Well maybe other CS`s can be counted as solo ships(Astarte as a DPS & Run ship). ---
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