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Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 28/03/2008 16:20:43 Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 28/03/2008 16:12:33 Hey pepz o7 First and foremost, i'm sorry for the wall of text that's coming to your eyes here is how it goes.... i live in Portugal, and belive me, this is getting worst, and worst by the time. Our healthcare service is at it's worst stage, in a very long time. The gorvoment is closing hospitals, emergency units, specialy in the inner "lil-towns". There are reports of people having to travel about 150km from their village to get health assistance. Our VAT (Tax) is one of the highest in the EU, 21% I'm 24, i'm working as a Administrative secretary for a french company, for 6 years, now, and i'm getting 521Ç /p mounth... The avarage wages in portugal don't go higher then 600Ç-700Ç (in Lisbon). i still live with my parents, because really, i can't afford a house with 521Ç a mounth, not even with 600Ç or so... Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Besides of portuguese, i only speek english (Eve and TS had helped me a lot) so, to immigrate, it has to be an english-speeking country. My preferece is Canada. I really like that country, and i've been doing some googling on the matter (immigration laws, cost of living, social aspects) and Canada seem to me to be a very nice country to live in. What is your opinion on Canada, or have you have any other advise of a country that might be metter? Thank you for your time Best Regards, Seifer _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:45:00 - [2] Portugal is in the EU, so I would suggest testing the waters in English speaking Europe, namely either Ireland or Britain. Then try further afield, we have problems here but so does the rest of the Commonwealth (I assume USA is a not on the table as you mention healthcare). Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
LUH 3471 Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:57:00 - [3] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 28/03/2008 16:58:19 make sure to checkout ireland
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:00:00 - [4] I was looking into moving to Canada, myself. I was put off when I found out that it can take years for them to approve of your visa, and it apparently costs a fair bit. I didn't really look into the costs but I heard that some people had to pay at least a thousand pounds to get in.
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:03:00 - [5] USA is not completly out of the table, and all its needed is to won the Greed Card Lottery, lolz Also, amarican people tend to do crazy things, like killing-rampeges at schools, drive by's, nasty crimes, and they are, imo, in general, "cold" persons. i have UK in mind, too, but, their "way of speaking" is just fuzzy to me, not that i don't like it, it's just i have a lil dificult in understanding then. but hey _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:06:00 - [6] Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 28/03/2008 16:58:19 make sure to checkout ireland you're not the 1st person to tell me that maybe i'll give it a try, and spend a week or 2 there, on holidays, checking out the sights _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Mozqito Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:28:00 - [7] You will have no trouble getting around with english in any part of Scandinavia, people are generally fluid in the language here. Don't let the cold weather scare ya either By the way, I really love the Greed Card thing, whether it was intentional or not
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc. Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:46:00 - [8] The UK is not really that much better IMO - I'm looking to move to Oz or NZ in four or so years time. NZ is nice but a bit backwards and the exchange rate sucks Oz 'seems', from my investigations, to provide a better Quality of Life than the UK
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:06:00 - [9] <3 Canada myself. I'm not sure about the immigration laws, but I assure you that people are mostly friendly and will help a stranger out. There are many jobs in Alberta (going through an oil boom), and minimum wage is $8.40 / hour. You can make craptons of money in the oil field, but pretty much every single business is hiring right now. -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:08:00 - [10] I bump into people from Australia and they say they are happy with their move to Britain. I'm like, wtf. Everyone here thinks it's better over there. How come you think it's better over here? Maybe there is no real difference. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy USA is not completly out of the table, and all its needed is to won the Greed Card Lottery, lolz Also, amarican people tend to do crazy things, like killing-rampeges at schools, drive by's, nasty crimes, and they are, imo, in general, "cold" persons. i have UK in mind, too, but, their "way of speaking" is just fuzzy to me, not that i don't like it, it's just i have a lil dificult in understanding then. but hey Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. First of all, yes. There have been some pretty wild, highly publicized crimes in the US. However, please note that the reason they are so highly publicized is because they are so RARE. It's very shocking and newsworthy when something like that happens precisely because it is so outside normal everyday experience. I have lived in the U.S. most of my life (I also lived in Canada for about 6 years while growing up) and have never even ONCE seen a shooting in person, or even been involved in a fistfight! (Although I did do some Grecco-Roman wrestling in HS.) My life has been one of generally dull normality and calm. So nothing really there to worry anyone. As far as "cold" goes, I'm not entirely certain I understand that. I know that we Americans to prefer our "personal space zone" to be a bit bigger than most Europeans. Maybe that's what you mean? That Americans tend to back up a bit while you are speaking with them? Please clarify that point, if you would. Other than that, I can personally recommend America based on at least two of your complaints about Portugal. 1) Still mostly private medical establishment. No big-Government bureaucracy to deal with in our medical system (Although the leading Democrat Party candidates for President want to change that, which is why I'm voting Republican) so medical service is generally quite a bit cheaper and easier to deal with. 2) No VAT, and income taxes are generally lower than most other English Speaking countries: America is still generally the best place to earn a living out of all the English speaking countries, and the best place to KEEP your earnings, instead of giving them up to a Nanny State Government. I would encourage you to try an emigrate here. While I will admit, our immigration and naturalization process is ridiculously byzantine, it is worth the trouble. Whatever choice you make, I wish you the very best of luck.
marketmonkey State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post.
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:17:00 - [13] Originally by: marketmonkey Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post. Just spreadin' the love baby. Spreadin' the love.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:29:00 - [14] not england, do not think about england. no offence to the english but the weather is ****ty and the council/houses are so small cramped. although sweets in britain rule. move to scotland ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: marketmonkey Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post. Just spreadin' the love baby. Spreadin' the love. Speaking of nanny states and such, did you know that the US Federal government spends a slightly higher proportion of it's budget on health care and social security than the UK? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:31:00 - [16] I don't know about spending, but the unfunded liabilities... EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: marketmonkey Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post. Just spreadin' the love baby. Spreadin' the love. Speaking of nanny states and such, did you know that the US Federal government spends a slightly higher proportion of it's budget on health care and social security than the UK? Not saying you are wrong, but I have my doubts about the accuracy of your statement. Can you kindly provide a link from a politically neutral source to back that up?
Captain Hudson Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:35:00 - [18] Edited by: Captain Hudson on 28/03/2008 18:37:33 i would advise against the uk tbh, i live there and well, id just advise against it id suggest in this order: Oz - lots of jobs( you get fast tracked if you have good experience in a field such as what you have said about yourself),good lifestyle, good weather USA - same as oz really but no fast track and you would have to find a employer 1st to apply for a visa i think NZ - same as oz, just a bit colder sometimes Canada- heard its good, can take time getting visa etc Ireland - don't really know much about it even tho my farther hearlds from there, he left so must be a reason why lol The Real Eve FanFest
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Kaeten not england, do not think about england. no offence to the english but the weather is ty and the council/houses are so small cramped. although sweets in britain rule. move to scotland yes because the weather is so much better in scotland right?
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: Kaeten not england, do not think about england. no offence to the english but the weather is ty and the council/houses are so small cramped. although sweets in britain rule. move to scotland yes because the weather is so much better in scotland right? was waiting for someone to point that out ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
das licht TRI-MI-LI	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:59:00 - [21] The Hamptons for sure. n00b.
DubanFP Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:31:00 - [22] Edited by: DubanFP on 28/03/2008 19:34:58 Originally by: Bish Ounen stuff <<---From US and I agree with what Bish said. Also I would like to point out that it's not fair to group us all up together. Although here you're more likely to refer to themselves as American then Connecticutian, or californian US states are similer in size to European countries. I live in Connecticut for example. Here people tend to be closest to their inner circle "friends, family, ect". We'll be nice/helpful to others & chat but I'll admit maybe not heavy as other places. NY 1 state over will be more likely to shrug off a stranger then here. California is known for being relatively laid back & relaxed. Down South it tends to be a bit more complicated & varies widely depending on if you're near a major city or not. Anyways I like it here in the US/CT. The cost of living here in CT is unusually high though. Connecticut Sales tax is 6% here. In the end you should look into different parts of the US rather then lump us all together if you want to look into these things seriously. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:34:00 - [23] thank all for your replies, and advises, i'm really greatfull when i refer to americans as "cold" persons, i meant, that they seem to not care about anyone they don't know, as some people joke around, "if you need help, don't scream HELP! people will not care about you, just shout FIRE !!!!" i do know, that overall, US is still a good place to live. and i kinda like the "live-style" they have, eheh AUS and NZ are very good countries too, but.... its on the other side of the globe and Auckland city was alwasys on my mind, when it come to Oceania. Canada, for what i know, Calgary (Alberta) is a promising city, because of the oil-thing, like someone pointed out. Thank you guys, again :) Seifer _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
DubanFP Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Oh one more thing. There's a lot of well paid IT stuff here in CT. Computers are a MAJOR thing here. Getting an IT job without prior job experience is a bit difficult though. Anyways good luck & I hope you find what you're looking for. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:49:00 - [25] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 28/03/2008 19:47:00 Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Oh one more thing. There's a lot of well paid IT stuff here in CT. Computers are a MAJOR thing here. Getting an IT job without prior job experience is a bit difficult though. It would be a good idea to try to have a job ready for you before you actually make the move rather then finding one here later. Anyways good luck & I hope you find what you're looking for. Thank you for the nice words :) all of you _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Canada, for what i know, Calgary (Alberta) is a promising city, because of the oil-thing, like someone pointed out. Seifer Little known fact: Calgary has 3 or 4 10th Avenues, all in different parts of the city. Edmonton has a better street layout, IMO -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:00:00 - [27] As mentioned, give Britain and Ireland a whirl. At the very least, you'll have not problem migrating here, being in the EU. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
AlexCA De Valken BV Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Bish Ounen Not saying you are wrong, but I have my doubts about the accuracy of your statement. Can you kindly provide a link from a politically neutral source to back that up? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_pri-health-spending-private http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_car_fun_pub_per_cap-care-funding-public-per-capita I reckon it has something to do with pharmaceutical company's getting away with charging more in the US or the overhead costs make up a larger proportion compared to actual healthcare or something? Kind of weird to see the US private system costs as much as public one. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Forum Moderator ([email protected])
Griffen Hawk Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:29:00 - [29] Try Norway, we do have very high taxes here, but a healthcare system second to none, lots of vacation time (4-5 weeks mandatory vacation a year) good pay, and we have a shortage of IT personell at the moment :)
Joseph 9 Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Patch86 As mentioned, give Britain and Ireland a whirl. At the very least, you'll have not problem migrating here, being in the EU. Thi, particularly London as it has an immense hunger for IT specialists, the wages are excellent, the NHS is still one of the best healthcare organisations in the world despite all the doom and gloom and moving on to somewhere like the US, the far east or Australia is easier if you work for a large company with a presence there. Of course there are downsides, London is smelly and dirty, the house prices are insane, and it's full of Brits... Actually large parts of London are pretty cosmopolitan.
Ilvan Post with your Brain	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:12:00 - [31] Canada. Plenty of room, plenty of work, and we're not the U.S. _______________________________ In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only lag
The TX Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Joseph 9 Originally by: Patch86 As mentioned, give Britain and Ireland a whirl. At the very least, you'll have not problem migrating here, being in the EU. Thi, particularly London as it has an immense hunger for IT specialists, the wages are excellent, the NHS is still one of the best healthcare organisations in the world despite all the doom and gloom and moving on to somewhere like the US, the far east or Australia is easier if you work for a large company with a presence there. Of course there are downsides, London is smelly and dirty, the house prices are insane, and it's full of Brits... Actually large parts of London are pretty cosmopolitan. But let's not forget that because he's not a native English person, our lovely government will probably look after him better than it looks after us! Mate, come to the UK, and our government will give you a house to live in, pay half your taxes and your rent, and give you vouchers with which you can buy fresh food for your entire family. You don't even have to work when you do get here - we'll pay you if you choose not to work. Also, if you want to steal stuff or commit any other kind of crime, will give you a piece of paper with the word 'ASBO' written on it, and tell you you are naughty if you do it again. Come to the UK, and you're sorted. I wish I wasn't English as I would actually be better off in England not being English. -------------------- CCP, please fix current issues before making new stuff: Are YOU A Happy Spaceman?
Coconut Joe VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:22:00 - [33] If you come to work in London you'll practically be guaranteed a 1,386 euro/month job with that IT qualification of yours. Do it, you know you want to. There's a large Portuguese population floating around somewhere as well. Double win - Eve IGB Store Template - The complete eve retail solution.
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Ilvan Canada. Plenty of room, plenty of work, and we're not the U.S. -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.03.29 00:28:00 - [35] Quote: But let's not forget that because he's not a native English person, our lovely government will probably look after him better than it looks after us! Mate, come to the UK, and our government will give you a house to live in, pay half your taxes and your rent, and give you vouchers with which you can buy fresh food for your entire family. You don't even have to work when you do get here - we'll pay you if you choose not to work. Also, if you want to steal stuff or commit any other kind of crime, will give you a piece of paper with the word 'ASBO' written on it, and tell you you are naughty if you do it again. Come to the UK, and you're sorted. I wish I wasn't English as I would actually be better off in England not being English. oooo BNP? __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Brea Lafail Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.29 04:09:00 - [36] Canada is pretty okay. While all your basic health needs (minimum to keep you working), good luck getting dental work or stuff like that. In the US, any decent company has a health plan. Wages in Canada are pretty good right now, unskilled labour pays $25-$30 is some parts. Also, 1:1 exchange with american money is kinda nice if you live near the boarder.
Sqalevon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.29 14:48:00 - [37] You might even try Holland, 90% of us speak English so that shouldn't be a problem. Specially in the IT about everyone speaks it. I got a friend from Portugal who doesn't speak one word Dutch but gets around just fine, he has been here for 3 years now I think.
The Socialworker Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:05:00 - [38] I moved to Ireland from UK a bit over a year ago and it sounds like it might fit your criteria. The economy has slowed down a bit recently, due to some of the tax haven money moving on to new places, and a subsequent downturn in the construction industry, but there is still a huge amount of money floating around here. Average earnings have gone up by over 50% (yup 50%!!) over the last 3 years, and there are a hell of a lot of IT jobs here. There is a two teir healthcare system here that I haven't had that much dealing with, but from what I've heard the lower teir is similar to the UK national health, but with a small charge for each survice if you are working. Those who have insurance get a similar service for the actual healthcare, but with no waiting lists or bills (eg 30-40 Euro to see Doctor), from what I've been told. I'm living in Galway over on the west coast atm, which is quieter that the east coast/Dublin. Galway traditionally has links with portugal. Many of the locals here are darker complextion than the east coast and Dublin, which traditionally had more links with England. Dublin has a similar feal to London, as many of the older buildings were built by the same wealthy merchants who built much of London back in the 19th century. The price of property has gone up hugely recently, but rents seem relatively cheap to me, compared to the cost of buying, and compared to London (where I was previoulsy living). And finally, the place is much more easy going than UK. Less in your face laws, less bills and taxes(free water, no council taxes or national insurance payments) and generally less oppressive feeling than the uk atm.
Vienna Gates	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:13:00 - [39] Ora bons dias compadre Meu tßs na mesma situatpo que eu...s= tenho 17 e jß vejo a merda de pafs que temos , e por muito que goste da pßtria, quando acabar os estudos tambTm [muito] provavelmente vou-me cavar daqui para fora. Este sim, T um bom t=pico para ler. Assim jß vou tendo umas ideias para onde ir. PS: Se os "inglishes" daqui perguntarem o que raio estou para aqui a dizer, traduz tu que eu npo tou com paciOncia
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:20:00 - [40] Edited by: Sephra Star on 30/03/2008 02:21:59 Consider Panama, or Ecuador even... Quite a few Americans are escaping to those countries. They may not be English speaking countries, but enough do speak English. Cost of living is pretty good.
Spawinte Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.30 05:36:00 - [41] Do not move to Ireland. I'm from Ireland and I'm seriously considering heading to Canada to get away from the place. New Poland would be a better name for the place. -----
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2008.03.30 09:18:00 - [42] There is nothing wrong with the US. We have one of the highest GDP/capita on the planet and one of the most stable and diverse environments. Personally I live in Chicago, which is located in the northern half of the country. I would suggest anywhere on the east coast or midwest to be the most interesting place to live. Cali is over-regulated and over populated in the metro areas, and anywhere in the deep south save some parts of florida I would shy away from. ________ Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Fiona Ballbuster	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Fiona Ballbuster on 30/03/2008 16:15:23 I wouldn't recommend moving to a 3. world country like the US, they still got alot of democratic development to do(getting rid of the two party system ex.) I would also recomment Holland too nice people(The tallest people in the world btw.), nice weather(not when it floods of cause) Amsterdam is a beautiful city with lots of fine architecture and art, the dutch people tends to be quite open, nice and quite good at english IMO. And finally you can smoke all the cannabis you can afford.
Nhaz Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:45:00 - [44] I must say if you are planning on moving to Calgary the cost of housing there is right through the roof atm. they have a huge demand for workforce and therefore a huge demand for housing. the housing business is booming there. I recommend staying away from Toronto and Vancouver they are starting to have serious gang issues. not to mention they are hotspots of liberal whackyness yer trying to get away from. _____________________________________________ It's NOT paranoia, If they REALLY ARE out to get you!
Napkinz United Space Republic Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Fiona Ballbuster Edited by: Fiona Ballbuster on 30/03/2008 18:53:39 Edited by: Fiona Ballbuster on 30/03/2008 16:15:23 I wouldn't recommend moving to a 3. world country like the US, they still got alot of democratic development to do(getting rid of the two party system ex.) The US isnt a third world country.
Reiisha	Posted - 2008.03.31 03:12:00 - [46] Some comments on the US: 1) It takes a long time untill you can actually get to stay there. 2) The lethal crime rate is the highest in the world. 3) The US has one of the highest income inequalities (of the Western world). National numbers say little other than the average, not what you can actually expect. 4 HUGE cost to move there from Europe 5) Tornadoes. 6) Republicans. 7) Democrats. Okay, the last 3 are somewhat biased, but personally i wouldn't go there, much less move there. I'd recommend looking long and hard at the benefits and the real income potential. Best way to get in there is to find a good job before you move, with health plans, insurance and everything, since there is no real minimum income or health care set or provided by the government. It's much easier to stay in the EU, since you can avoid all the hassle with citizenship and all that jazz. Personally, i like the Netherlands... I'm from there, so i'm a bit biased, of course. The tax is scaled to the income (you pay less if you earn less - in percentages that is), there is a "healthy" minimum wage (i think it's somewhere around 1000?) Everything is close to wherever you live. From any part of the country, Amsterdam is at most 3 hours away with the train or a car. In short, no major drawbacks except Geert Wilders. Belgium should also be considered, despite it's low profile. It's very similar to the Netherlands as far as i know, except that half of it speaks French. Which is very, very annoying. Both countries have a very high percentage of people that (can) speak English, i think it was somewhere around 80 or 90%, but you are expected to learn Dutch (and French for Belgium, i think) when moving here. The Scandinavian countries are much less densely populated and have crappy weather (most of the time :P), but also have a very high standard of living. I can;t remember which of the 3, but either Finland, Norwegia or Sweden had the best healthcare in the world... Germany and Austria are also nice places to live (in most parts), but you need to know German to get by. You'd be hardpressed to find many people who can speak English well enough to have a daily conversation with, and afaik it's a requirement to get a job there in the first place. The UK and Ireland are obvious choices, some people have already pointed out their qualities. Or not. Personally i'd avoid any of the southern countries as places to live, they're mostly just there for the northern countries to take vacations in Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. EVE History Wiki
syphurous Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.31 04:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Deacon Ix NZ is nice but a bit backwards and the exchange rate sucks Explain yourself ? Backwards ? Looking athe exchange rate, looks like its time to go for a holiday in he US :P Originally by: GM Faolchu People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong.
Tony C'dale Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:04:00 - [48] I'd say follow the money. Find the best job and move where ever that is.
Brea Lafail Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Nhaz I must say if you are planning on moving to Calgary the cost of housing there is right through the roof atm. they have a huge demand for workforce and therefore a huge demand for housing. the housing business is booming there. I recommend staying away from Toronto and Vancouver they are starting to have serious gang issues. not to mention they are hotspots of liberal whackyness yer trying to get away from. Yeah, rent is high in Edmonton/Calgary atm, but so is the pay... I lived in Vancouver for a bit, didn't see much in the way of gangs. Lots of drugs, though.
Lafe	Posted - 2008.03.31 06:32:00 - [50] Edited by: Lafe on 31/03/2008 06:32:06 You should move to Sweden tbh! Nice healthcare and every citizen is more or less able to have conversations in English. Linkage
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 08:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 28/03/2008 16:20:43 Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 28/03/2008 16:12:33 Hey pepz o7 First and foremost, i'm sorry for the wall of text that's coming to your eyes here is how it goes.... i live in Portugal, and belive me, this is getting worst, and worst by the time. Our healthcare service is at it's worst stage, in a very long time. The gorvoment is closing hospitals, emergency units, specialy in the inner "lil-towns". There are reports of people having to travel about 150km from their village to get health assistance. Our VAT (Tax) is one of the highest in the EU, 21% I'm 24, i'm working as a Administrative secretary for a french company, for 6 years, now, and i'm getting 521Ç /p mounth... The avarage wages in portugal don't go higher then 600Ç-700Ç (in Lisbon). i still live with my parents, because really, i can't afford a house with 521Ç a mounth, not even with 600Ç or so... Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Besides of portuguese, i only speek english (Eve and TS had helped me a lot) so, to immigrate, it has to be an english-speeking country. My preferece is Canada. I really like that country, and i've been doing some googling on the matter (immigration laws, cost of living, social aspects) and Canada seem to me to be a very nice country to live in. What is your opinion on Canada, or have you have any other advise of a country that might be metter? Thank you for your time Best Regards, Seifer hey, welcome to portugal I know it's a ****, but try to hold on for a bit. FYI, I'm working in a moviflor storage as an intern and I'm earning 700Ç per month atm. work is physical, but it pays off (I can shave off that fat that I gained in the 8 months I have been unemployed) Maybe you're in the wrong job? but if I was to immigrate, I would go to Scotland. --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Seifer Al'Masy	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:14:00 - [52] Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 31/03/2008 10:16:38 Originally by: Grimpak hey, welcome to portugal I know it's a ***, but try to hold on for a bit. FYI, I'm working in a moviflor storage as an intern and I'm earning 700Ç per month atm. work is physical, but it pays off (I can shave off that fat that I gained in the 8 months I have been unemployed) Maybe you're in the wrong job? but if I was to immigrate, I would go to Scotland. Hey Grim :) maybe i am in the wrong job, but it suits my needs (mon-Fri, 0900h - 1800h) so its good for me, cuz i have classes at night, and i work 5min from home the job/wage thing its only half of the reasons why i want to move away from here. this is not getting better in a very long future, i tell you that. everytime i see Socrates on tv, i panic !! Portugal doesn't have the economy for Euro, its a very strong currency, and Portugal simple can't handle it. we pay taxes for social security for what ? for when i need to go to the hostipal, or need medical treatment, i have pay again ? at least give people the choice of having social security or not. i really feel the need to move away from all of this. to try a new "life-style", new air, new sights. i don't live in Lisbon, so i'm gonna try that one 1st, right after my graduation is over, and see what i can make of it. but, man... Portugal is just... meh its very nice for holidays eheh Anyway, thanks all of you, for your opinions. Seifer _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."*
MassonA	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:33:00 - [53] The UK has crap weather, mild winters and (usually) warm summers, the housing market at the moment is expensive and hard for first time buyers to get onto, but the price of housing is meant to go down in the next few years. Beware of chavs and dont put alot of faith in the police. And find yourself a decent chippy Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 19:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Hey Grim :) maybe i am in the wrong job, but it suits my needs (mon-Fri, 0900h - 1800h) so its good for me, cuz i have classes at night, and i work 5min from home the job/wage thing its only half of the reasons why i want to move away from here. this is not getting better in a very long future, i tell you that. everytime i see Socrates on tv, i panic !! Portugal doesn't have the economy for Euro, its a very strong currency, and Portugal simple can't handle it. we pay taxes for social security for what ? for when i need to go to the hostipal, or need medical treatment, i have pay again ? at least give people the choice of having social security or not. i really feel the need to move away from all of this. to try a new "life-style", new air, new sights. i don't live in Lisbon, so i'm gonna try that one 1st, right after my graduation is over, and see what i can make of it. but, man... Portugal is just... meh its very nice for holidays eheh Anyway, thanks all of you, for your opinions. Seifer meh... I can tell you this: we have this PM because we deserve it. We lived too much in the high-life, thinking it was all peaches and when we started to see the cost of such thing, not one politician was ballsy enough to dirt their hands. Yes, I don't like of many of the things that Socrates is doing. But then I say this: would anyone do it better? or would anyone even dare to do what is needed and not hearing the general populace that was used to having everything provided by the state? I mean, there is a reason why Portugal has one of the highest state employee rates per capita in the EU, and it's not just because of the pay. --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Randomness17	Posted - 2008.03.31 21:49:00 - [55] Im sounding like a travel agent here but meh. I live in Jersey in the Channel Islands and I would strongly suggest it. While only having 100,000 people on it, it has the 6th best GDP per capita in the world ($40,000 per year), with plenty of jobs in IT. As well as this Jersey provides a fabulous cultural back drop with a relatively large number of Portugese born inhabitants to help you along. Only trouble would be buying a house as there are strict buying rules. Otherwise Canada sounds good >.<
Benco97	Posted - 2008.03.31 22:16:00 - [56] Wales, it's just like England except with less people, clean air and beautiful scenery everywhere. No more wonderful place to live. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
MrTriggerHappy Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.01 11:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Benco97 Wales, it's just like England except with less people, clean air and beautiful scenery everywhere. No more wonderful place to live. Scotland It's a lot like Wales.. except: - Even Cleaner air - Better Scenery - The English essentially pay for EVERYTHING (seriously) - We have Kilts - No water shortages - Fairly decent summers - Lots of Jobs Generally your best bet is to defo stick in the EU first, you dont want to be heading halfway across the world, find out you dont like it and then have to suffer the cost of moving back! At least within the EU, your not too far from home. Personally my favourite country by far is Austria, but if your looking for english speaking then I would suggest the UK over Ireland. The downside about the UK, neds/chavs, house prices, tax coming out the ears. But depending where you go, you might really enjoy it. Edinburgh seems to be a favourite of many, although I'd argue Glasgow is better. But then the 2 aren't that far apart. -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Bad Borris	Posted - 2008.04.01 12:07:00 - [58] Edited by: Bad Borris on 01/04/2008 12:08:45 When my euro lottery ticket wins this week I'm going back to barbados to open a bar on the beach, drink rum all week and jaunt around the carribean in my expensive yaught. In response to the op, it is getting tougher and tougher to buy a house in the uk too. Traditionally, scandinavian countries and in particular sweden have the highest standard of living in europe with the gap between rich and poor being the lowest due to many years of left wing government and an excellent welfare state. Not sure whether that still stands today but it was certainly the case when I studied the subject at university a few years back. Holland is also a good choice too imo. I know you said 'english speaking countries' but tbh the countries I have mentioned generally speak such excellent english for it not to be too much of an issue.
Xanos Blackpaw	Posted - 2008.04.01 13:36:00 - [59] sweden...best country ever. (not exactly english speaking but everybody here can speak english) Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Seroquel xlnx.org	Posted - 2008.04.01 14:37:00 - [60] i'm moving to south africa. no one has complained about it yet. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.01 15:03:00 - [61] Edited by: mama guru on 01/04/2008 15:09:51 Anything but the US, i hate to say it but its true. And yeah, Canada is a good choice. Also: Quote: 1) Still mostly private medical establishment. No big-Government bureaucracy to deal with in our medical system (Although the leading Democrat Party candidates for President want to change that, which is why I'm voting Republican) so medical service is generally quite a bit cheaper and easier to deal with. 2) No VAT, and income taxes are generally lower than most other English Speaking countries: America is still generally the best place to earn a living out of all the English speaking countries, and the best place to KEEP your earnings, instead of giving them up to a Nanny State Government. 1: Your heathcare still sucks. Voting McCain over Obama or the other way around wont make any bloody difference because they're both a pair of right wingers none the less. Left-wing ideals are nonexistant to the average american. 2: Your tax money end up in the pockets of the federal reserve board of directors rather then schools or hospitals. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.01 15:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Lafe Edited by: Lafe on 31/03/2008 06:32:06 You should move to Sweden tbh! Nice healthcare and every citizen is more or less able to have conversations in English. Linkage Normally i'd say welcome to sweden, where is your god now? But i dont know how the job market looks when it comes to IT related jobs these days. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.01 15:19:00 - [63] Personally I'm looking into Canada. They are kind of like the USA minus the huge military-industrial complex and a new war every 4 years. I like the cold weather, the people are generally more friendly, national healthcare for when I get old, and I've always wanted to learn French.
TimGascoigne	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:54:00 - [64] I'm not sure about other countries like Canada or America because I've never been there .However if you are looking for a country where you will be able to eventually buy your own house don't go to England. Although I'm only 19 my brothers are 29 and 27 and they still have no Hope of getting a house despite having good jobs with competitive salaries
Krxon Blade Apogee Group	Posted - 2008.04.02 01:35:00 - [65] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Our VAT (Tax) is one of the highest in the EU, 21% Well, our tax (Croatia) is 22% Situation here is similar, health care going down, corrupted gov's, selling pieces or our country for own interest, etc, etc. -- EVE offline game
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2008.04.02 07:29:00 - [66] Get used to it, to be able to compete in the global economy we're getting standardized to chinese living conditions, it's all downhill from here. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!

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