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Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 28/03/2008 16:20:43 Edited by: Seifer Al''Masy on 28/03/2008 16:12:33 Hey pepz o7 First and foremost, i'm sorry for the wall of text that's coming to your eyes here is how it goes.... i live in Portugal, and belive me, this is getting worst, and worst by the time. Our healthcare service is at it's worst stage, in a very long time. The gorvoment is closing hospitals, emergency units, specialy in the inner "lil-towns". There are reports of people having to travel about 150km from their village to get health assistance. Our VAT (Tax) is one of the highest in the EU, 21% I'm 24, i'm working as a Administrative secretary for a french company, for 6 years, now, and i'm getting 521Ç /p mounth... The avarage wages in portugal don't go higher then 600Ç-700Ç (in Lisbon). i still live with my parents, because really, i can't afford a house with 521Ç a mounth, not even with 600Ç or so... Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Besides of portuguese, i only speek english (Eve and TS had helped me a lot) so, to immigrate, it has to be an english-speeking country. My preferece is Canada. I really like that country, and i've been doing some googling on the matter (immigration laws, cost of living, social aspects) and Canada seem to me to be a very nice country to live in. What is your opinion on Canada, or have you have any other advise of a country that might be metter? Thank you for your time Best Regards, Seifer _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:45:00 - [2] Portugal is in the EU, so I would suggest testing the waters in English speaking Europe, namely either Ireland or Britain. Then try further afield, we have problems here but so does the rest of the Commonwealth (I assume USA is a not on the table as you mention healthcare). Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
LUH 3471 Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:57:00 - [3] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 28/03/2008 16:58:19 make sure to checkout ireland
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:00:00 - [4] I was looking into moving to Canada, myself. I was put off when I found out that it can take years for them to approve of your visa, and it apparently costs a fair bit. I didn't really look into the costs but I heard that some people had to pay at least a thousand pounds to get in.
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:03:00 - [5] USA is not completly out of the table, and all its needed is to won the Greed Card Lottery, lolz Also, amarican people tend to do crazy things, like killing-rampeges at schools, drive by's, nasty crimes, and they are, imo, in general, "cold" persons. i have UK in mind, too, but, their "way of speaking" is just fuzzy to me, not that i don't like it, it's just i have a lil dificult in understanding then. but hey _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:06:00 - [6] Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 28/03/2008 16:58:19 make sure to checkout ireland you're not the 1st person to tell me that maybe i'll give it a try, and spend a week or 2 there, on holidays, checking out the sights _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Mozqito Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:28:00 - [7] You will have no trouble getting around with english in any part of Scandinavia, people are generally fluid in the language here. Don't let the cold weather scare ya either By the way, I really love the Greed Card thing, whether it was intentional or not
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc. Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.03.28 17:46:00 - [8] The UK is not really that much better IMO - I'm looking to move to Oz or NZ in four or so years time. NZ is nice but a bit backwards and the exchange rate sucks Oz 'seems', from my investigations, to provide a better Quality of Life than the UK
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:06:00 - [9] <3 Canada myself. I'm not sure about the immigration laws, but I assure you that people are mostly friendly and will help a stranger out. There are many jobs in Alberta (going through an oil boom), and minimum wage is $8.40 / hour. You can make craptons of money in the oil field, but pretty much every single business is hiring right now. -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:08:00 - [10] I bump into people from Australia and they say they are happy with their move to Britain. I'm like, wtf. Everyone here thinks it's better over there. How come you think it's better over here? Maybe there is no real difference. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy USA is not completly out of the table, and all its needed is to won the Greed Card Lottery, lolz Also, amarican people tend to do crazy things, like killing-rampeges at schools, drive by's, nasty crimes, and they are, imo, in general, "cold" persons. i have UK in mind, too, but, their "way of speaking" is just fuzzy to me, not that i don't like it, it's just i have a lil dificult in understanding then. but hey Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. First of all, yes. There have been some pretty wild, highly publicized crimes in the US. However, please note that the reason they are so highly publicized is because they are so RARE. It's very shocking and newsworthy when something like that happens precisely because it is so outside normal everyday experience. I have lived in the U.S. most of my life (I also lived in Canada for about 6 years while growing up) and have never even ONCE seen a shooting in person, or even been involved in a fistfight! (Although I did do some Grecco-Roman wrestling in HS.) My life has been one of generally dull normality and calm. So nothing really there to worry anyone. As far as "cold" goes, I'm not entirely certain I understand that. I know that we Americans to prefer our "personal space zone" to be a bit bigger than most Europeans. Maybe that's what you mean? That Americans tend to back up a bit while you are speaking with them? Please clarify that point, if you would. Other than that, I can personally recommend America based on at least two of your complaints about Portugal. 1) Still mostly private medical establishment. No big-Government bureaucracy to deal with in our medical system (Although the leading Democrat Party candidates for President want to change that, which is why I'm voting Republican) so medical service is generally quite a bit cheaper and easier to deal with. 2) No VAT, and income taxes are generally lower than most other English Speaking countries: America is still generally the best place to earn a living out of all the English speaking countries, and the best place to KEEP your earnings, instead of giving them up to a Nanny State Government. I would encourage you to try an emigrate here. While I will admit, our immigration and naturalization process is ridiculously byzantine, it is worth the trouble. Whatever choice you make, I wish you the very best of luck.
marketmonkey State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post.
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:17:00 - [13] Originally by: marketmonkey Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post. Just spreadin' the love baby. Spreadin' the love.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:29:00 - [14] not england, do not think about england. no offence to the english but the weather is ****ty and the council/houses are so small cramped. although sweets in britain rule. move to scotland ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: marketmonkey Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post. Just spreadin' the love baby. Spreadin' the love. Speaking of nanny states and such, did you know that the US Federal government spends a slightly higher proportion of it's budget on health care and social security than the UK? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:31:00 - [16] I don't know about spending, but the unfunded liabilities... EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: marketmonkey Originally by: Bish Ounen Ok, as an American, I realize that there is alot of misinformation about America out there. So I do my best to try and politely educate people. Thanks for that post. I was able to count to ten and by then I got to your post. Just spreadin' the love baby. Spreadin' the love. Speaking of nanny states and such, did you know that the US Federal government spends a slightly higher proportion of it's budget on health care and social security than the UK? Not saying you are wrong, but I have my doubts about the accuracy of your statement. Can you kindly provide a link from a politically neutral source to back that up?
Captain Hudson Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:35:00 - [18] Edited by: Captain Hudson on 28/03/2008 18:37:33 i would advise against the uk tbh, i live there and well, id just advise against it id suggest in this order: Oz - lots of jobs( you get fast tracked if you have good experience in a field such as what you have said about yourself),good lifestyle, good weather USA - same as oz really but no fast track and you would have to find a employer 1st to apply for a visa i think NZ - same as oz, just a bit colder sometimes Canada- heard its good, can take time getting visa etc Ireland - don't really know much about it even tho my farther hearlds from there, he left so must be a reason why lol The Real Eve FanFest
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Kaeten not england, do not think about england. no offence to the english but the weather is ty and the council/houses are so small cramped. although sweets in britain rule. move to scotland yes because the weather is so much better in scotland right?
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: Kaeten not england, do not think about england. no offence to the english but the weather is ty and the council/houses are so small cramped. although sweets in britain rule. move to scotland yes because the weather is so much better in scotland right? was waiting for someone to point that out ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
das licht TRI-MI-LI	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:59:00 - [21] The Hamptons for sure. n00b.
DubanFP Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:31:00 - [22] Edited by: DubanFP on 28/03/2008 19:34:58 Originally by: Bish Ounen stuff <<---From US and I agree with what Bish said. Also I would like to point out that it's not fair to group us all up together. Although here you're more likely to refer to themselves as American then Connecticutian, or californian US states are similer in size to European countries. I live in Connecticut for example. Here people tend to be closest to their inner circle "friends, family, ect". We'll be nice/helpful to others & chat but I'll admit maybe not heavy as other places. NY 1 state over will be more likely to shrug off a stranger then here. California is known for being relatively laid back & relaxed. Down South it tends to be a bit more complicated & varies widely depending on if you're near a major city or not. Anyways I like it here in the US/CT. The cost of living here in CT is unusually high though. Connecticut Sales tax is 6% here. In the end you should look into different parts of the US rather then lump us all together if you want to look into these things seriously. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:34:00 - [23] thank all for your replies, and advises, i'm really greatfull when i refer to americans as "cold" persons, i meant, that they seem to not care about anyone they don't know, as some people joke around, "if you need help, don't scream HELP! people will not care about you, just shout FIRE !!!!" i do know, that overall, US is still a good place to live. and i kinda like the "live-style" they have, eheh AUS and NZ are very good countries too, but.... its on the other side of the globe and Auckland city was alwasys on my mind, when it come to Oceania. Canada, for what i know, Calgary (Alberta) is a promising city, because of the oil-thing, like someone pointed out. Thank you guys, again :) Seifer _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
DubanFP Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Oh one more thing. There's a lot of well paid IT stuff here in CT. Computers are a MAJOR thing here. Getting an IT job without prior job experience is a bit difficult though. Anyways good luck & I hope you find what you're looking for. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Seifer Al'Masy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:49:00 - [25] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 28/03/2008 19:47:00 Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Right now, i'm finnishing an graduation in IT, and i'm planning to immigrate by the end of the year. Oh one more thing. There's a lot of well paid IT stuff here in CT. Computers are a MAJOR thing here. Getting an IT job without prior job experience is a bit difficult though. It would be a good idea to try to have a job ready for you before you actually make the move rather then finding one here later. Anyways good luck & I hope you find what you're looking for. Thank you for the nice words :) all of you _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back."
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy Canada, for what i know, Calgary (Alberta) is a promising city, because of the oil-thing, like someone pointed out. Seifer Little known fact: Calgary has 3 or 4 10th Avenues, all in different parts of the city. Edmonton has a better street layout, IMO -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:00:00 - [27] As mentioned, give Britain and Ireland a whirl. At the very least, you'll have not problem migrating here, being in the EU. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
AlexCA De Valken BV Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Bish Ounen Not saying you are wrong, but I have my doubts about the accuracy of your statement. Can you kindly provide a link from a politically neutral source to back that up? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_pri-health-spending-private http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_car_fun_pub_per_cap-care-funding-public-per-capita I reckon it has something to do with pharmaceutical company's getting away with charging more in the US or the overhead costs make up a larger proportion compared to actual healthcare or something? Kind of weird to see the US private system costs as much as public one. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Forum Moderator ([email protected])
Griffen Hawk Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:29:00 - [29] Try Norway, we do have very high taxes here, but a healthcare system second to none, lots of vacation time (4-5 weeks mandatory vacation a year) good pay, and we have a shortage of IT personell at the moment :)
Joseph 9 Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Patch86 As mentioned, give Britain and Ireland a whirl. At the very least, you'll have not problem migrating here, being in the EU. Thi, particularly London as it has an immense hunger for IT specialists, the wages are excellent, the NHS is still one of the best healthcare organisations in the world despite all the doom and gloom and moving on to somewhere like the US, the far east or Australia is easier if you work for a large company with a presence there. Of course there are downsides, London is smelly and dirty, the house prices are insane, and it's full of Brits... Actually large parts of London are pretty cosmopolitan.

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