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Jinesh
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:27:00 -
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Looking for an honest opinion on the viability of withstanding a suicide gank using a tanked Hulk and Osprey.
My corpmate and I do a lot of mining in Empire. We flagged GS and watch local. We pick systems that are off the beaten path to mine in. Clearly those things have the biggest impact on determining whether you get suicide ganked or not. However, I was just wondering what you all feel a good set up would be to withstand a suicide gank. |
Lord Haur
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:30:00 -
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it's all about being able to tank the X damage before concord show up. problem is, if you survive, you can bet on the goons looking for you with an even bigger gank fleet next time, and starting to pull the locators too.
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Lurana Jade
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:35:00 -
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Gank OWNS defense in EVE. Agression OWNS static behavior.
The best way to defeat gank, is to not put yourself in that position at all.
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Lord Rue
GenX Societies Inc.
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:44:00 -
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Heavy tanking of your hulk instead of maxing load capacity + staying aligned to an escape warp-point (and praying you dont get bumped) and watching local like a hawk (as well as setting Goonswarm to -10) seem to be the best ways to survive the jihad.
Unless of course you head to Minmatar space as the Jihad decrees. (please don't, I couldn't even find some lousy Scordite for a level II storyline mission last night with all the stripmined belts in Heimetar. At least I got some Angel rats in the process of searching. <3 alloyed trit bars)
Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana! |
Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:45:00 -
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Avoiding the goons is your only tank as they care not for profit in this venture. Your only defense is to look at the goon killboards and mine were they are not active.
For every other suicide ganker who has profit on his mind instead of greifing then these two fits should do you well in a .5 system.
Hulk: 2x inuvl field II 2x small extender II 1x PDS II 1x DCII 2x defense field extender rigs
Osprey: 2x invul field II 2x large extender II 2x PDS II 1x DC II 1x em thermal kinetic rigs
Those setups will make it unprofitable to suicide you. Just take care to not **** someone off to the point profit isn't an issue in ganking your mining op. 
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:49:00 -
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Fit as many remote shield reps as you can on the Osprey to make it cap-stable. Don't worry about tanking it, the goons won't pop it before going after the hulk because it would give CONCORD more time to show up.
Set all of your shield reps (staggered) on the hulk, and set small shield transfer drones on it too. The hulk will be able to tank 800+ DPS easily.
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Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 17:52:00 -
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Heh. Yeah those will work even better to keep the hulk alive. I was assuming the op was going to use the Osprey to mine and not be the logistics. 
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Jinesh
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:04:00 -
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Thanks for all the feedback. I should have clarified. Our intent was to use the Osprey as a logistics platform to make the gank as expensive as possible.
My shield transfer skills arenÆt that great, so IÆm trying to skill up a little. Right now, I canÆt get a cap neutral config that I feel will transfer enough shield to realistically save the Hulk. I know we need enough to keep the Hulk afloat for at least 30 seconds.
Would putting a power transfer array on the Hulk to feed the Osprey be more power efficient than a booster on the Hulk? I havenÆt sat down and done the math on it yet.
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KapnKaboom
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:12:00 -
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It is impossible to fit a hulk to survive a determined gank attempt. So, essentially, once the goons warp in, the game is over. If you immediately eject and warp to station in your pod, you might be able to save your implants, but that's about it.
The best thing you can do is sell your hulk, buy a combat a ship, and fly out to nulsec and start shooting at goons. And it'll probably even be more fun that way.
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Lord Rue
GenX Societies Inc.
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:14:00 -
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That's pretty defeatist, I know of at least a few hulk pilots who've posted here that they've escaped the Goons, no reason to assume they lied about it.
Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana! |
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Ogul
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:21:00 -
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Are you serious? Who is suiciding Ospreys?
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Ogul
Are you serious? Who is suiciding Ospreys?
Noone. He wants to use it as a logistics ship to boost the hulk.
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Selene Lunaglaux
Trit for the Trit Throne
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
these two fits should do you well in a .5 system.
Hulk: 2x inuvl field II 2x small extender II 1x PDS II 1x DCII 2x defense field extender rigs
Osprey: 2x invul field II 2x large extender II 2x PDS II 1x DC II 1x em thermal kinetic rigs
Somebody has to have a roid scanner. No mlus + no roid scanner = why bother with a hulk?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Selene Lunaglaux
Originally by: Zeba
these two fits should do you well in a .5 system.
Hulk: 2x inuvl field II 2x small extender II 1x PDS II 1x DCII 2x defense field extender rigs
Osprey: 2x invul field II 2x large extender II 2x PDS II 1x DC II 1x em thermal kinetic rigs
Somebody has to have a roid scanner. No mlus + no roid scanner = why bother with a hulk?
Because it still mines significantly better than a Covetor, and a Covetor with T2 mining gear on it is a gank magnet. Assuming that one oout of every ten cycles is wasted, it's still better than a Covetor.
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Selene Lunaglaux
Trit for the Trit Throne
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Selene Lunaglaux
Somebody has to have a roid scanner. No mlus + no roid scanner = why bother with a hulk?
Because it still mines significantly better than a Covetor, and a Covetor with T2 mining gear on it is a gank magnet. Assuming that one oout of every ten cycles is wasted, it's still better than a Covetor.
One out of every ten? Our experiences in belts with asteroid sizes are clearly different. But I concede the point about being even more of a gank magnet.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 28/03/2008 18:57:51
Originally by: Selene Lunaglaux
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Selene Lunaglaux
Somebody has to have a roid scanner. No mlus + no roid scanner = why bother with a hulk?
Because it still mines significantly better than a Covetor, and a Covetor with T2 mining gear on it is a gank magnet. Assuming that one oout of every ten cycles is wasted, it's still better than a Covetor.
One out of every ten? Our experiences in belts with asteroid sizes are clearly different. But I concede the point about being even more of a gank magnet.
He asked for a gank resistant fit not a mining efficient one. 
Anti-gank Logistics Osprey: 4x med 'atonement' ward projector 1x med cap booster with 800's 1x med cap battery 1x small cap battery 1x sensor booster with res script 3x cpu II 4x light shield transfer drones.
That should keep you alive for a bit. 
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Jinesh
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 19:43:00 -
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Thanks for the fitting advice. Much obliged.
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 19:48:00 -
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Find your belt, log in a noobie alt, take his rookie ship out to the belt and shoot up your buddy. Now that da copz are in belt with you, mine away. If they decide they need more donuts, get your noobie alt back on and pew pew your buddy to get da copz back in your belt.
-=^=-
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.28 20:57:00 -
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It depends on how many are out to gank you. If you survieve once they might go bigger just for the joke. So quickly you need to tank 3 or more brutix. In short, you will always lose.
You can tank 1 and perhaps 2. But its simply a number game where you can never hold the upper hand.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.28 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
Find your belt, log in a noobie alt, take his rookie ship out to the belt and shoot up your buddy. Now that da copz are in belt with you, mine away. If they decide they need more donuts, get your noobie alt back on and pew pew your buddy to get da copz back in your belt.
This...
I do this myself every time.
CONCORD escorts lvl V <--- best tank in the game.
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.03.29 11:43:00 -
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If you are unable to mine during goon quiet times then I would suggest switching from a barge, to a mega or domi setup for mining and with a good tank.
Ok, sure you're going to make a lot less money but it does mean you ship will survive the gank (if properly tanked) and you can continue mining.
I have seen tanked hulks that have been destroyed (check their KB) so a domi or a mega tanked and equipped for mining may stand a better chance
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
Muchacho's
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Posted - 2008.03.29 12:16:00 -
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Make sure it takes more ships (isk) to gank you then you have in your cargohold.
Thats the only protection really.
Lady Beeblebrox
Tundragon & Teddybears
Memorial Forum
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.29 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
Find your belt, log in a noobie alt, take his rookie ship out to the belt and shoot up your buddy. Now that da copz are in belt with you, mine away. If they decide they need more donuts, get your noobie alt back on and pew pew your buddy to get da copz back in your belt.
Clever :D
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Jinesh
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Posted - 2008.03.29 15:25:00 -
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Well, it seems like if Goonswarm decide to suicide gank my friend and I, the only real defense is to not be there to begin with. If I understand correctly, they don't care about financial loss, so trying to make it too expensive for them to try is pointless.
I don't know, guys. This is kind of disappointing to me. I like playing in a Universe where there is the constant threat of attack. I like being responsible for what happens to me in the game. However, something seems broken.
My friends and I got EVE because it was supposed to be a realistic open ended sandbox game where there wasn't a right or wrong way to play. You could be whatever you wanted. We wanted to be a small corporation just earning a living in a small corner of the universe.
We want to be able to defend ourselves and have enjoyed managing our risks to keep our threats to a level that would enable us to defend ourselves within the means available to us. However, if the cost for performing a gank is meaningless, if it really doesn't matter what we do when aggressed in a belt by a swarm, then that pretty much makes the metagame simply watching watching local and leaving as soon as we see Goonswarm show up.
We had high hopes for EVE being a game of nuance and subtle calculation. We'd hoped that EVE wasn't going to be just another MMORPG where bigger is always better. We'd hoped that it didn't have a flat endgame with a right way and wrong way to play, where if you didn't join a big guild and raid on a schedule that made so many demands on your time it might as well be a second job, then there was basically nothing meaningful to do.
In it's own way and by a very different path, it seems as though EVE has arrived at the same place that every other run of the mill mmorpg has.
That's sad really, because I really believe that EVE could be fundamentally different. At the moment, it would seem that the only meaningful differentiation EVE has versus other mmorpgs is that it's the only space based game out there and the players have a greater power to destroy other players enjoyment of the game. I really hope that either CCP does something to fix the latter or that a change in the former makes it irrelevant to do so.
I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and just missing something, but at the moment, I guess I just wish there was someplace in EVE for players like my friends and I. I can't believe we're the only ones that fit this profile. Is being in 0.0 as part of a big alliance really the only way to play this game? I feel like a guy who walked into a restaurant that looked like a gourmet five star establishment on the outside, only to discover it's a McDonald's once I got in. lol |
Jita Tramp
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Posted - 2008.03.30 03:11:00 -
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Have an alt attack your hulk with an ibis, Concord will spawn, and kill it. They then stick around till the coffee and donuts are gone, for about 55-90 min. They will also be spawned already for any suicide ganks. But if they bring enough your going to pop no matter what.
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