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Jack Hybrid Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:36:00 - [1] Just a quick thought, Im sure just about everyone here has at somepoint or other known an incredibly pious Amarrian, who goes on about their faith being the only true path for a pilot to walk down. That same Amarrian probably at one time or more has also talked about their superiority over the other races, using the scriptures as a reference. The Amarrian has also probably talked about the Minmatar being nothing more than a Slave race, destined to serve the 'Divine Race'. But I ask that Amarrian this.. 'Are you nothing more than slaves yourself?' Religion has been assimilated into many different viewpoints, there are those who view religion as being there for peoples moral benefit, others who view religion as simply being there to fill the gaps of our scientific knowlage. But there are people who believe religion to be there for the purpose of Control. Who controls the Amarrian religion? The Emperor, the single ruler of the Amarr realm. Even when the Amarrian Faith was first established, it was used as a tool to control the subjects of Amarr, people may not see it but thats how it is used today. So are the Amarr just as enslaved as the slaves? ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:42:00 - [2] There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jack Hybrid Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:50:00 - [3] Edited by: Jack Hybrid on 28/03/2008 18:51:07 Originally by: Rodj Blake There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. But surely submitting to a lie isn't glorious? ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Ikasu Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Rodj Blake There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. Yes, and that would be an Intakian god of course. --------------------------------------------------
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Rodj Blake There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. Yes, and that would be an Intakian god of course. The God of Amarr is also the God of the Intaki. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Ikasu Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Rodj Blake There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. Yes, and that would be an Intakian god of course. The God of Amarr is also the God of the Intaki. To make a more direct statement, as long as it's an Intakian faith your following, or more specifically, a faith resembling mine! I can advertise for my beliefs just as much as you can yours no? --------------------------------------------------
Beletre University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:07:00 - [7] If you believe in the God of Amarr, then the actions of the Amarr empire are justified. If, however, you do not believe in said God, then they are not justified.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Rodj Blake There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. Yes, and that would be an Intakian god of course. The God of Amarr is also the God of the Intaki. To make a more direct statement, as long as it's an Intakian faith your following, or more specifically, a faith resembling mine! I can advertise for my beliefs just as much as you can yours no? The difference is that you have abandoned God to worship false idols. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jack Hybrid Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ikasu Originally by: Rodj Blake There is nothing more glorious than submitting to the will of God. Yes, and that would be an Intakian god of course. The God of Amarr is also the God of the Intaki. To make a more direct statement, as long as it's an Intakian faith your following, or more specifically, a faith resembling mine! I can advertise for my beliefs just as much as you can yours no? The difference is that you have abandoned God to worship false idols. This isn't a whos god is real debate, this is a debate into the Amarrian social system which has been controlled via religion for so long. ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Ikasu Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:22:00 - [10] I say the contrary, I believe that you worship a false idle, a dark, evil force that asks you to enslave others and force them into your beliefs. Anyway, I wont derail this thread anymore. --------------------------------------------------
Vlad Cetes Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake The difference is that you have abandoned God to worship false idols. The only false idol here is your "god". Those who "worship" such false concepts as religion are bound to be exterminated by those who know of its falsehood. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Jack Hybrid Who controls the Amarrian religion? The Emperor, the single ruler of the Amarr realm. Even when the Amarrian Faith was first established, it was used as a tool to control the subjects of Amarr, people may not see it but thats how it is used today. Did you miss the additional irony of the fact that there is no Emperor, and that they are now following a oligarchical cult, instead? Also, another important detail you might want to keep in mind: you are also a member of a slave race, in the eyes of the Amarrian faith. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Jack Hybrid Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 22:12:00 - [13] Quote: Did you miss the additional irony of the fact that there is no Emperor, Yes, which is why I have carefully chosen this period of time to publish my viewpoints, overwise he would surely send some people to kill me Quote: and that they are now following a oligarchical cult, instead? Which is no different to the previous rule, other than there are a group of 'emperors' Quote: Also, another important detail you might want to keep in mind: you are also a member of a slave race, in the eyes of the Amarrian faith. An important detail you might want to keep in mind: Slavery is banned in every established civilisation in the known universe except Amarr, I don't plan on visiting the folks anytime soon. ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Esna Pitoojee Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.29 00:24:00 - [14] This is very much part of the reason I have found myself drifting away from the harder-line members of the my Empire's faith.
Becq Starforged	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Jack Hybrid Quote: Also, another important detail you might want to keep in mind: you are also a member of a slave race, in the eyes of the Amarrian faith. An important detail you might want to keep in mind: Slavery is banned in every established civilisation in the known universe except Amarr, I don't plan on visiting the folks anytime soon. Despite slavery being officially banned, the fact is that slave raids are being conducted continuously throughout the space in which it is banned. Amarrian-flagged shipped are held immune from customs searches, and routinely transport slaves unopposed in violation of the laws you cite. And CONCORD has now given sanction to the slave trade, and greedily takes it's cut of the proceeds, ignoring the sovereignty of the local governments. So frankly, you could easily be kidnapped in Oursalaert, taken to Port Sanctuary or another such facility for 'conditioning', then transported unhindered to Jita and sold -- legally -- on the auction blocks there, all at little if any risk to the slavers. And any who attempted to free you by opening fire on the vessel transporting you would be unlikely to survive CONCORD's inquiry into the matter. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:44:00 - [16] The notion that the Empire uses religion to control the people is only valid if the leaders themselves donÆt believe in the religion they use. This is very unlikely as the Heirs (next to the Emperor the most powerful people in the Empire. Think of them as Mega Corp CEOs) commit suicide upon failing to become Emperor. It think it would be much fairer to say that the Republic uses fear of Amarr to control itÆs people. And that the Federation uses bright noises and shiny things to distract/control itÆs people. And slavery is legal in The Empire, The Mandate, The Kingdom and all the outlaw factions except for the Thukkers. Take a look at your map, slavery is far more accepted than you think. Also the idea that Amarrians are still raiding colonies in the Republic or the Federation is laughable. The Emperor himself ordered a stop to it. And we are a people that tend more towards following orders than rebelling against them. The Empire is also experiencing its greatest slave shortage in centuries. I donÆt know where your people are ending up but itÆs not the Empire. YouÆll find that most of these slave raids are being comited by Sanshas, Blood Raiders and Angels. We have a problem with slave raiders in the Empire to ya know. And while I donÆt doubt that you have seen Amarr Navy flagged ships doing slave raids the truth is they are almost always being piloted by pirate crews of one of the previously mentioned factions. ItÆs actually pretty clever of them. They disguise their ships as Amarrian so you keep your eyes on the Empire and off of their space.
Rainrix Deathwish	Posted - 2008.04.02 05:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Mr Reeth Also the idea that Amarrians are still raiding colonies in the Republic or the Federation is laughable. The Emperor himself ordered a stop to it. And we are a people that tend more towards following orders than rebelling against them. The Empire is also experiencing its greatest slave shortage in centuries. I donÆt know where your people are ending up but itÆs not the Empire. YouÆll find that most of these slave raids are being comited by Sanshas, Blood Raiders and Angels. We have a problem with slave raiders in the Empire to ya know. And while I donÆt doubt that you have seen Amarr Navy flagged ships doing slave raids the truth is they are almost always being piloted by pirate crews of one of the previously mentioned factions. ItÆs actually pretty clever of them. They disguise their ships as Amarrian so you keep your eyes on the Empire and off of their space. Well... As one "loyalist" Ammarian pilot said in another section of the IGS... Originally by: Khan Rodak Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Rainrix Deathwish Weren't the two Emperors working towards getting rid of slavery or something before they died..? No they weren't. And... even if they were, or it may had apeared that way to some... make a note and shout it across New Eden: those days are over and will not come back. Let the Reclaiming start. ------------------------------------- Anti-Slavery doesn't mean Anti-Amarr!
Andreus Ixiris Heretic Logistics DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Rodj Blake The difference is that you have abandoned God to worship false idols. No, Rodj, it is you heathen Amarrians who have turned your back on the great cycle of death and rebirth - instead of focusing on attaining the knowledge and spiritual purity neccessary to ascend from it, you seek, like the Demiurge, not only to entrap others in the lies of the fallen world, but you aspire to serve the Demiurge's twisted machinations. Not only do you deny yourself enlightenment, but you actively seek to deny it to others, thwarting their closeness to the true Monad. ----- CEO, Heretic Logistics Dance Commander
Lordus Mark	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Jack Hybrid Just a quick thought, Im sure just about everyone here has at somepoint or other known an incredibly pious Amarrian, who goes on about their faith being the only true path for a pilot to walk down. That same Amarrian probably at one time or more has also talked about their superiority over the other races, using the scriptures as a reference. The Amarrian has also probably talked about the Minmatar being nothing more than a Slave race, destined to serve the 'Divine Race'. But I ask that Amarrian this.. 'Are you nothing more than slaves yourself?' Religion has been assimilated into many different viewpoints, there are those who view religion as being there for peoples moral benefit, others who view religion as simply being there to fill the gaps of our scientific knowlage. But there are people who believe religion to be there for the purpose of Control. Who controls the Amarrian religion? The Emperor, the single ruler of the Amarr realm. Even when the Amarrian Faith was first established, it was used as a tool to control the subjects of Amarr, people may not see it but thats how it is used today. So are the Amarr just as enslaved as the slaves? We are all God's servants. I am myself a slave to Our lOrd God. We all are. Even you despite you're not aware of it or refuse to accept it. We the Amarr, just happen to manage the slavery business for him. RDK Trusting Holders Need a job done? Quietly? Have a word with us.
Ikasu Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.02 13:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake The difference is that you have abandoned God to worship false idols. No, Rodj, it is you heathen Amarrians who have turned your back on the great cycle of death and rebirth - instead of focusing on attaining the knowledge and spiritual purity neccessary to ascend from it, you seek, like the Demiurge, not only to entrap others in the lies of the fallen world, but you aspire to serve the Demiurge's twisted machinations. Not only do you deny yourself enlightenment, but you actively seek to deny it to others, thwarting their closeness to the true Monad. I couldn't have said it better myself Pilot Ixiris. Sometimes I feel you'll almost too direct with your statements here on the IGS but this explains my position very well! Thankyou, and i'm sure many Intaki feel the same, but I can't say I know this for a fact either. --------------------------------------------------
Jack Hybrid The Incredible Hulks Next-Gen Group	Posted - 2008.04.02 14:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Lordus Mark Originally by: Jack Hybrid Just a quick thought, Im sure just about everyone here has at somepoint or other known an incredibly pious Amarrian, who goes on about their faith being the only true path for a pilot to walk down. That same Amarrian probably at one time or more has also talked about their superiority over the other races, using the scriptures as a reference. The Amarrian has also probably talked about the Minmatar being nothing more than a Slave race, destined to serve the 'Divine Race'. But I ask that Amarrian this.. 'Are you nothing more than slaves yourself?' Religion has been assimilated into many different viewpoints, there are those who view religion as being there for peoples moral benefit, others who view religion as simply being there to fill the gaps of our scientific knowlage. But there are people who believe religion to be there for the purpose of Control. Who controls the Amarrian religion? The Emperor, the single ruler of the Amarr realm. Even when the Amarrian Faith was first established, it was used as a tool to control the subjects of Amarr, people may not see it but thats how it is used today. So are the Amarr just as enslaved as the slaves? We are all God's servants. I am myself a slave to Our lOrd God. We all are. Even you despite you're not aware of it or refuse to accept it. We the Amarr, just happen to manage the slavery business for him. Me being non-religious, would find it incredibly hard to invest my faith in an entity thats physical form is non-apparent. I find it great that someone of such intelligence as yourself can still be disillusioned by such primitive ideas, it reminds us that deep inside we are all just the same we were a millenia ago, we shall always have the brain of man, as the Jovians so painfully learned. I would love to be more open to religious ideas, but the SWA forced that out of me. I guess as a Deteis I have always been spiritual but not to the extent of yourself. I remember growing up on Kisogo, my mother would walk me to the Planetary Station to see the shuttles leaving for the other planets in the system, that was when I started believing, I had faith that one day I could get up there too. Thinking back, if faith made me feel like that, and got me to where I am today, it can't be a bad thing can it? Then when I studied the Amarrian religion at the ethnic relations class I changed my mind. I have nothing against you practicing your religion, I would prefer that you did, but when it involves enslaving my brothers I will do everything in my power to fight you. ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Khan Rodak Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.02 15:33:00 - [22] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 15:33:52 Originally by: Jack Hybrid (...)Me being non-religious, would find it incredibly hard to invest my faith in an entity thats physical form is non-apparent. I find it great that someone of such intelligence as yourself can still be disillusioned by such primitive ideas, it reminds us that deep inside we are all just the same we were a millenia ago, we shall always have the brain of man, as the Jovians so painfully learned. I would love to be more open to religious ideas, but the SWA forced that out of me. I guess as a Deteis I have always been spiritual but not to the extent of yourself. I remember growing up on Kisogo, my mother would walk me to the Planetary Station to see the shuttles leaving for the other planets in the system, that was when I started believing, I had faith that one day I could get up there too. Thinking back, if faith made me feel like that, and got me to where I am today, it can't be a bad thing can it? Then when I studied the Amarrian religion at the ethnic relations class I changed my mind. I have nothing against you practicing your religion, I would prefer that you did, but when it involves enslaving my brothers I will do everything in my power to fight you. Religion is the art of spiritually organize societies by accepting a superior entity and set cannon in His worship, such as rites. All of us have a spiritual side û even you spread deepness and spirit in your words û which leads me to say that non religious societies tend to lose ground. That is why Amarrians were successful in expanding our home world. You can deny the rites and the cannon, but you cannot deny religion ness. That is why those that chose not to convert find it more difficult to achieve their destiny. They might even go for it as individuals, but certainly they fail as a community. That is why the devoted kin û Amarr û was chosen: We did not refute our destiny and our grace. Which leads me to say that service helps to understand this. Slavery is not an end, itÆs a way in itself. It serves a greater goal. New Seminarium open
Jack Hybrid	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:02:00 - [23] Edited by: Jack Hybrid on 02/04/2008 16:01:52 Originally by: Khan Rodak Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 15:33:52 Slavery is not an end, itÆs a way in itself. It serves a greater goal. And what greater goal is that? ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Khan Rodak	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:15:00 - [24] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 16:16:54 Originally by: Jack Hybrid Edited by: Jack Hybrid on 02/04/2008 16:01:52 Originally by: Khan Rodak Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 15:33:52 Slavery is not an end, itÆs a way in itself. It serves a greater goal. And what greater goal is that? I will only say this: Originally by: Ambassador Feinz The violence that scars the history of civilization is testament to the fact that all men are born slaves to different masters. The EmpireÆs strength flows from the absolute recognition that there is but one true Master; peace will always elude those who deny Him. New Seminarium open http://manu-dei.cenape.com Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Jack Hybrid The Incredible Hulks Next-Gen Group	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Khan Rodak Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 16:16:54 I will only say this: Originally by: Ambassador Feinz The violence that scars the history of civilization is testament to the fact that all men are born slaves to different masters. The EmpireÆs strength flows from the absolute recognition that there is but one true Master; peace will always elude those who deny Him. Yes, but the identity of that master differs to the one you perceive. For it is not the hand of god, but the hand of the emperor that curses you into chains, chains that can never be broken whilst you continue to worship your idol. ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Khan Rodak	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:39:00 - [26] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 16:46:01 Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 16:44:29 Originally by: Jack Hybrid (...) For it is not the hand of god, but the hand of the emperor that curses you into chains, chains that can never be broken whilst you continue to worship your idol. Your assumption makes no sense. It is heresy to worship any idol, even if that idol is to be the emperor. We worship God. And you're right... His hand does not curse me into chains. On the contrary. If, somehow, i think the emperor's hand curses me into chains, i can either set myself free and face the consequences, or I can strive to set me free in time, spreading God's word slowly, waiting for the time when things will be properly restored. Either way, it is up to God's will, if an emperor somehow cursed us... As it is by His will that assassinations occur (or fail!). New Seminarium open http://manu-dei.cenape.com Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Jack Hybrid	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:45:00 - [27] Edited by: Jack Hybrid on 02/04/2008 16:45:19 Originally by: Khan Rodak Originally by: Jack Hybrid (...) For it is not the hand of god, but the hand of the emperor that curses you into chains, chains that can never be broken whilst you continue to worship your idol. Your assumption makes no sense. It is heresy to worship any idol, even if that idol is to be the emperor. We worship God. And you're right... His hand does not curse me into chains. On the contrary. But it does, You do not worship god, you worship the figure of a mans mind from millions of years ago. You do not worship god, for he has NO power, you worship the emperor, although indirectly, for it is he who holds the power. ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid
Lordus Mark	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:47:00 - [28] Edited by: Lordus Mark on 02/04/2008 16:47:05 delete pls RDK Trusting Holders Need a job done? Quietly? Have a word with us.
Khan Rodak	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:48:00 - [29] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 02/04/2008 16:48:49 just pointing out that I've cross edited my post while you answered and that you should not have answered before reading the link. It applys to your answer New Seminarium open http://manu-dei.cenape.com Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Jack Hybrid	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Khan Rodak just pointing out that I've cross edited my post while you answered Yes, I saw. But If you can see this corruption, why live by it? ------------ From the integrated screen in the pod of Jack Hybrid

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