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arff
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 22:22:00 -
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Wondering what it would take to gank a nighthawk in .5 space.
Fit: 3bcu, 1 dcu2, 1spr2 in lows. 2 lse2's, 2cn invuln's, dom ab in mids.
Is it possible to do it and come out ahead isk wise?
Figured one more ganking thread would'nt kill anyone!
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.28 22:25:00 -
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 Originally by: arff
Figured one more ganking thread would'nt kill anyone!
How apt. 
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Marine HK4861
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.03.29 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Marine HK4861 on 29/03/2008 01:00:00
A quick check on EFT with no skills applied shows that the lowest resist on shield would be EM at 72.2% with just over 10K shields, meaning you'd have to inflict approx 36K damage to break its shield tank then deal an additional 14K-odd damage to get through the armour and structure, all in the 30 seconds before Concord shows up,.
Don't bother using blasters - thermal and kinetic is ~90% each on shield and 82/60 on armour.
If you can work out a way of doing that much damage and still be cost effective, then you're sorted.
Edit: forgot about the DCU resists on structure.
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gahazord huffengaf
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.29 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: gahazord huffengaf on 29/03/2008 01:53:14
In Soviet Russia Nighthawk suicide gank you.
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Jesum
Warmongers
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Posted - 2008.03.29 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: gahazord huffengaf
Edited by: gahazord huffengaf on 29/03/2008 01:53:14
In Soviet Russia Nighthawk suicide gank you.
Seriously? Those Russians are crazy.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.29 02:20:00 -
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you could do it with a few domis, active tanks are worthless under the effect of overheated heavy neuts, split the damage across 2 domis doing EM and another using explosive with neutrons
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Gamesguy
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
you could do it with a few domis, active tanks are worthless under the effect of overheated heavy neuts, split the damage across 2 domis doing EM and another using explosive with neutrons
EM drones are terrible and dont do nearly enough dps.
Explosive with neutrons? You have clue wtf you're talking about.
To the OP, ravens with em torps is the only thing that can reasonably gank you. 50k buffer means probably something on the order of 4 ravens.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:35:00 -
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Yeah but torps against a command ship that isn't webbed and painted? That Nighthawk isn't going to be sitting idle in high sec. It'll probably either be in a war op or in the middle of a mission, so even if you get a scan probe signature for it and WTZ he could still be out of web range before a Raven can affect a successful lock. Also remember with the Ravens you won't have the neut power fitted to disable an active tank, unless you sacrifice torp damage, in which case you have even less chance of killing your target before CONCORD shows up.
I'm not saying it can't be done of course. With enough ships you could suicide gank the Veldnaught.
First post after account reactivation. Turns out when I got a new credit card the confirmation code changed and auto-renew didn't work. That was a scary couple of hours tbh.
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Corwain
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Yeah but torps against a command ship that isn't webbed and painted?
He's got LSEs on, he's painting himself. Also since the ravens won't be tanked a few TPs in the mids is no problem. I think killing the nighthawk before he ABs away will be less a worry than killing him before concord show up.
I'd think you'd want to kit the ravens something like
6x Siege
2x Heavy Pulse w/ Radio
3x Target Painter
2x LSE
2x 1600mm plate
3x BCS
3x Curator sentries
That's just off the top of my head. Someone might suggest some changes. This fits with my skills, but might need to be tweaked based on the pilot.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:16:00 -
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ravens lol... try some geddons
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Gamesguy
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Htrag
ravens lol... try some geddons
Geddons do less dps and less volley damage than ravens in this situation.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Explosive with neutrons? You have clue wtf you're talking about.
yes explosive with blasters,
now try rereading my post--I'll wait.
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Gamesguy
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Gamesguy
Explosive with neutrons? You have clue wtf you're talking about.
yes explosive with blasters,
now try rereading my post--I'll wait.
Yes because blasters domis with berserker drones are just ideal against command ships with 90% kin/therm resists and probably 85+% resists.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Htrag
ravens lol... try some geddons
Geddons do less dps and less volley damage than ravens in this situation.
I guess its pretty close, but with the shorter ROF I'd put my money on the geddons doing it faster before concord puts an end to it, and you have only a tier 1 battleship to lose.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Erotic Irony on 29/03/2008 04:51:07
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Gamesguy
Explosive with neutrons? You have clue wtf you're talking about.
yes explosive with blasters,
now try rereading my post--I'll wait.
Yes because blasters domis with berserker drones are just ideal against command ships with 90% kin/therm resists and probably 85+% resists.
you're saying its more impractical to run domis with blasters and neuts using a mix of em and explosive drones to attack his cap and lowest resistances than to use ravens, not neut and not try to disable his DCII and shield tank?
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Gamesguy
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 29/03/2008 04:51:07
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Gamesguy
Explosive with neutrons? You have clue wtf you're talking about.
yes explosive with blasters,
now try rereading my post--I'll wait.
Yes because blasters domis with berserker drones are just ideal against command ships with 90% kin/therm resists and probably 85+% resists.
you're saying its more impractical to run domis with blasters and neuts using a mix of em and explosive drones to attack his cap and lowest resistances than to use ravens, not neut and not try to disable his DCII and shield tank?
Yes it is, because dcu has a 30 second cycle time and invuls hae a 10 second cycle time, at the very least he will have 10 seconds with both invuls and its impossible for you to neut off the dcu. In addition, NH's naturally high kin/therm resists mean it will take very little damage from blasters.
In addition, what makes you think the torp ravens cant all run 2x heavy neuts?
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Gamesguy
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 29/03/2008 05:01:46
Originally by: Htrag
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Htrag
ravens lol... try some geddons
Geddons do less dps and less volley damage than ravens in this situation.
I guess its pretty close, but with the shorter ROF I'd put my money on the geddons doing it faster before concord puts an end to it, and you have only a tier 1 battleship to lose.
Its not "pretty close", MF has what? 40% thermal damage? That NH will have insane thermal resists.
Ravens are far superior for almost all suicide ganks on hardened targets like mission running ships.
Oh and the ravens could use faction torps for little cost to further increase its damage, while faction crystals/conflag is very expensive.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.29 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Erotic Irony on 29/03/2008 05:12:45
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 29/03/2008 04:51:07
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Gamesguy
Explosive with neutrons? You have clue wtf you're talking about.
yes explosive with blasters,
now try rereading my post--I'll wait.
Yes because blasters domis with berserker drones are just ideal against command ships with 90% kin/therm resists and probably 85+% resists.
you're saying its more impractical to run domis with blasters and neuts using a mix of em and explosive drones to attack his cap and lowest resistances than to use ravens, not neut and not try to disable his DCII and shield tank?
Yes it is, because dcu has a 30 second cycle time and invuls hae a 10 second cycle time, at the very least he will have 10 seconds with both invuls and its impossible for you to neut off the dcu. In addition, NH's naturally high kin/therm resists mean it will take very little damage from blasters.
In addition, what makes you think the torp ravens cant all run 2x heavy neuts?
having to use two rcus to fit the torpedo launchers and the nos is no fun at all when the domi can fit two neuts and neutrons with one fitting mod
ami doin this rite:
in all seriousness though, how much of that ~4-5k raven volley will translate into real damage percentage wise?
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Gamesguy
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
having to use two rcus to fit the torpedo launchers and the nos is no fun at all when the domi can fit two neuts and neutrons with one fitting mod
ami doin this rite:
in all seriousness though, how much of that ~4-5k raven volley will translate into real damage percentage wise?
What else are you going to do with your lows?
Oh and it only takes 1 rcu.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2008.03.29 09:59:00 -
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Blasterdomi with zerks vs a shieldtank nh o_O Your inane understanding of the subject makes me wish more suicidegankers had your wit.
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.03.29 11:28:00 -
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EM torp Ravens
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woootanoob
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Posted - 2008.03.29 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: woootanoob on 29/03/2008 11:39:54
this thread makes baby jeesus cry
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Andrue
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Posted - 2008.03.29 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 29/03/2008 13:14:22
I'm sure it's possible to gank an NH in high-sec but one of the OP's requiremnts was that the attackers come out ahead Isk-wise.
I don't believe it is possible to field enough equipment to take down an NH protected by Concord without sacrificing more Isk than the NH pilot loses. A T2 fitted NH (and let's assume that no-one flying an NH would fit anything less) still costs less than 300mil. That's enough money for two fitted battleships. I really don't think that two BS can take down a NH before Concord takes them down.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 13:13:00 -
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why would you want to gank this anyways. for the ships you would lose it aint got the value in loot 
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.29 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna
why would you want to gank this anyways. for the ships you would lose it aint got the value in loot
This. The only reason I could see to suicide gank a nighthawk would be if it were Active tanked with a deadspace med - XL booster, pimp hardeners, pimp BCS and full pimp launchers - and in that case, the lack of extenders for buffer would make it significantly easier to gank 
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csebal
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.03.29 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: csebal on 29/03/2008 14:52:06
ruptures:
4x425 IIs, 2 heavy launcher IIs. faction EMP ammo and faction EM missiles. 3 gyrostab, 3x t2 emp drones.
max dps is 503, so total dps is 5030.
A 10.5k shield 1 invu 1 em hardened, damage control nighthawk has 73480 effective hp against the damage mix of the rupture from above.
So 10 ruppies would have to shoot it for about 15 seconds, assuming it is not boosting its shields.
In essence 10 ruptures would have a chance against it, but only on paper. More would be needed, but those would bump the cost up as well, by about 7-8m for each ship.
If manpower is not a question, then i would say its possible to kill such a nighthawk. Otherwise you are forced to use bigger ships, which bring the cost effectiveness of damage down real fast.
edit:
The setup posted by the op is about 10k eff hp stronger than the one i checked and it has a higher base shield recharge. Much depends on the rigs ofc, but 15-20 ships might do the trick and they still only cost about 200m tops.
My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe.
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.03.29 14:56:00 -
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me and 2 friends in 2 ravens and a geddon popped a nighthawk in lowsec in well under 30 seconds. granted it didn't have 2 CN invulns fitted so I reckon your best bet will be abaddon's or ravens. however i don't think you'll come out ahead isk-wise
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Andrue
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Posted - 2008.03.29 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 29/03/2008 15:19:35
Edited by: Andrue on 29/03/2008 15:18:41
Originally by: csebal
So 10 ruppies would have to shoot it for about 15 seconds, assuming it is not boosting its shields.
Active tanked Nighthawks make baby Jesus cry  .
I think that most NH pilots will go passive or semi-passive because that's the NH's main strength. If you're going to put up with the hassle and risk of an active tank (as opposed to the zero effort, 23/7 non-boosted alternative) then you're missing the point and would do better in a different command ship (strictly in my opinion, mind).
A passive tank NH will have somewhere in excess of 14k shields with recharge rate below 300 seconds and resists of at least 80% all round. That means dealing at least 70k HP before Concord takes you down against a peak shield regen of at least 600dps.
As regards using smaller ships - don't forget that the NH uses Heavy Missiles. It will tear through cruisers and seriously worry HACs and frigs. Even battleships will be a little wary although probably safe.
It'd be an interesting exercise to try on Sisi but I still think it'd be a waste of Isk on tranq. As one poster said - only a good idea if you're trying to hurt the NH pilot by destroying his faction gear. The rarity of some of it might be more of a pain than the Isk value.
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arff
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.29 22:37:00 -
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Wow, lots of good info here. This is the ship I run missions in. Been seeing alot of folks up to dubious activities in my home system lately, and was curious about how hard it would be to take it out.
Currently it has all cn/dread bcu's and launchers to go with the invulns. T2 works fine, but I like omni tanking, and until recently the mods were all basically money in the bank.
I can afford to replace it and only have time to play a few hours a week right now, so its safe enough I guess.
Thanks all for the great replies.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.03.29 22:50:00 -
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Ravens, EM torps, target painters.
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