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GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:49:00 -
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Background CCPs initial idea for its bonus was laughable with a slight decrease in the re-activation delay. A practical bombing fleet works on the same principle as the idea of a convoy traveling at the speed of the slowest vehicle. You cannot plan the use of bombs based on the highest SP characters and their mods.
With the crucible update they took the advice of a customers proposal and added an increase in capacity to hold bombs. Good to a degree but it makes some practical bombing a bit inflexible. Being able to carry 2 bombs in the launcher and 2 in the cargo allowed you some leeway to be able to carry and swap damage types. I would commend CCP for fixing the decloaking issue that had plagued the use of bomber squads/fleets though!
I know some would contest with carrying anything but 1 type of bomb in a bombing fleet, and with keeping relative beginners from throwing the wrong bomb type and spoiling an otherwise good bombing run, i can understand that.
BUT considering someone skilling up for a t2 bomb launcher you could hardly consider such pilots beginners to bombing. Additionally when you consider all t2 weapon systems in comparison to their T1 meta counterparts there's almost always a damage modifier increase. I AM NOT ADVOCATING AN INCREASE IN BOMB DAMAGE!
Usage I would like to stress that in the current Eve null sec climate, bombers and the ability to bomb is probably one of the only tools a smaller alliance can use against larger entities. Of course one could argue about supercap blobs being the bane of large subcap fleets, these are beyond the reach of smaller null sec entities and are in a few ways rather unbalanced for a variety of reasons.
Proposal My proposal is to remove the lower reactivation delay of the Bomb Launcher II and add a bonus tied to a pilots Covert-Ops skill to increase loaded bombs racial resistance by +0.05% per level for a maximum bonus of +0.25% (this is a multiplication of the current resistances of 1.0025%)
This would mean a bombs absolute maximum racial resistance would increase from 99.5% to 99.75%. A professional bombing fleet would be able to field 10 members per bombing squad and not have to micromanage squads to be restricted to 8.
it would also mean a pilots invested SP in the area of bombing would come into play more often in bombing than it does now.
of course all constructive criticism is greatly appreciated!
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.25 12:17:00 -
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bump for discussion :P |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.02.25 15:55:00 -
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I've seen worse ideas, that's for sure. I have a feeling there might be an exploit in there somewhere, though I'm not seeing it right off. At the surface atleast, it looks pretty decent. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:48:00 -
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The only thing that changes with this proposal is that the bombs that bombers who use a t2 bomb launchers fire can take more damage than bombers firing bombs with t1 bomb launchers |
Antal Marius
Black Aces Mining Div AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:27:00 -
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Could just create a set of T2 bombs? |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.25 20:58:00 -
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true.. it is a t2 launcher without t2 ammo |
shadowace00007
Beyond The Gates The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.25 21:27:00 -
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I love this idea I used to live in a Wormhole so I understand what your saying completely. +1
One thing I would like to add tho is the T2 bomb launcher should also take the standard damage bonus and change it to a normal overall damage bonus. Basicly I think If you train for T2 You should not have to switch ships to get the most bang for your buck. so a more skilled SBs pilots wont have to stick to there damage type to do full damage, they can match bomb to target.
Maybe be able to change ammo/ reload cloaked as well but that might be abit to much power in the hands of the bomber.
Born Amarrian Raised Minmatar. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.25 22:08:00 -
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issue there is that unless ur whole bombing fleets using t2 bombs then a single t2 bomb with overall damage will kill all other bombs in a bombing run, nullifying the whole effort.
if we're going down the t2 bomb route id say go with the slight increase in racial resists, and maybe drop the the explosion radius by 100m to 300m. |
shadowace00007
Beyond The Gates The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.25 23:08:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:issue there is that unless ur whole bombing fleets using t2 bombs then a single t2 bomb with overall damage will kill all other bombs in a bombing run, nullifying the whole effort.
if we're going down the t2 bomb route id say go with the slight increase in racial resists, and maybe drop the the explosion radius by 100m to 300m.
Im talking more about the normal ship bonus. so it dont matter what one of the SBs it will do the same damage.
So you can put a thermal bomb in a Hound and get the same damage output. as long as it is T2
Born Amarrian Raised Minmatar. |
Antal Marius
Black Aces Mining Div AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.02.26 04:08:00 -
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shadowace00007 wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:issue there is that unless ur whole bombing fleets using t2 bombs then a single t2 bomb with overall damage will kill all other bombs in a bombing run, nullifying the whole effort.
if we're going down the t2 bomb route id say go with the slight increase in racial resists, and maybe drop the the explosion radius by 100m to 300m. Im talking more about the normal ship bonus. so it dont matter what one of the SBs it will do the same damage. So you can put a thermal bomb in a Hound and get the same damage output. as long as it is T2
The T2 bombs could have resists to another damage type? Like the Matar's explosive bomb being resistant to explosive and thermal, and Gallente resistant to thermal and explosive, the caldari/amarr bombs likewise? |
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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.26 07:09:00 -
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Good idea IMHO I can't see any glaring holes in it right now. Anything to increase the deadliness of bombers gets a +1 from me. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.26 09:38:00 -
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cool, thanks for the like! and plz if you do like the idea then plz like the Original Post.
im going to edit it in a min to include what was discussed =) |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:23:00 -
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The main thing I would want in an improved bomb launcher would be much easier fitting requirements. Bombers are stretched very thin on CPU and you really can't fit for good Torp damage and have a bomb launcher. If the bomb launcher had the same fitting requirements as Core Probe Launcher you could have both. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:37:00 -
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bump for some more discussion as we're getting some productive results so far =) |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:33:00 -
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anyone else have anything to add??
would love to hear from some seasoned bomber pilots and FCs =) |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:59:00 -
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How about Tech II E-War Bombs, or hell, even AoE Logistics Charges? This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Antal Marius
Black Aces Mining Div AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.03.03 09:37:00 -
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I can't see how an AoR logi charge would be workable, and T2 E-war bombs would be a part of the entire T2 bomb line up.
Any bomb we have now, should get a T2 version. Make a new skill, call it Bomb Specialization |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.03.04 00:51:00 -
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Antal Marius wrote:I can't see how an AoR logi charge would be workable, and T2 E-war bombs would be a part of the entire T2 bomb line up.
Any bomb we have now, should get a T2 version. Make a new skill, call it Bomb Specialization
Well th issue there with ewar bombs is the 1 current ewar bomb is ineffective at best and a total waste of isk and space typically. Voids have been proven to work on the battlefield so theyre okay.
wouldnt mind seeing lockbreakers becoming ecm bombs with a sustained ecm effect of one cycle perhaps. but if all bombs should have t2 variants then for the non damage dealing ones itd be hard to make them distinctive enough.
the t2 logi bomb is a really strange proposal, and i commend the off the wall thought in it but i find it to be very odd in its approach. blow something up to add shield/armor/hull to ships in the blast radius.
what i wouldnt mind seeing is perhaps target painter bombs...
what do u guys think? |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.03.22 21:34:00 -
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resurrecting this thread for fresh thoughts ideas and comments on this idea! as Inferno is slowly but surely on its way and is meant to be crucible x 10
i want a t2 bomb launcher thats actually not a laughable excuse of a t2 mod. |
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