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Byarne
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:21:00 -
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lol Xetic. Still "NAP" you must be out of your mind. sry. But Some of your Alliance member attacked 2 of my Members. and one of IGS member, and collective few days back when it happend.! So dont say something like this. SA had meeting about this metter. and thougth since you attacked us. we should pay you back. No worries. Just talk with your ppl and have things layd up for you befor you go on talking about something you dont even know.
First of all i talked to some ppl about htis. And all i got in the convo was "lol rofl. yeah ahaha...... Talk to trigger."
And i said no im talking to you about this. and then i just got some more stupid talk smack ect... So i said this isnt the lest of it.!
Guess what it wasnt :)
Been fun, will be even more gr8. soon (tm) <- ccp ;¦
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Doctor Volospion
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:27:00 -
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I've been reading the SA v everyone saga for a few weeks now.
Lets say C4/CA/Xetic manage to kill the SA completely.
Then what ? What you all gonna do ?
I'm just an interested noob.
Could not some other corps/Alliances help SA out. 3 v 1 does not seem like fun to me for either side. I know SA (by the reading) have the better PVP players but I think they could do with some help.
The CA and C4 alliances certainly seem more glamorous cos they are "the bad guys" but come on people SA might be the good guys but without good guys the bad guys won't seem so bad.
Lets make this gg I say.
Keep up the posts it makes my lunchtimes fly :D
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:27:00 -
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I'm amazed this hasn't degenerated into a flame fest, good job so far. While I agree that SA is not dead yet it is on the ropes and nowhere near the power it once was. As for being outnumbered, CA could write a book on the subject.
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Stain itself is kept very secure for the most part and fleets are gathered and mobilized at the first sign of trouble
Now come on. This statement is not even close. C4 has control of mid and lower stain more often than SA does. Not disputing that SA controls DSS and the far north of Stain but to say that Stain is "very secure" is simply... (in a Mike Tyson voice)... ludicrous. The simple fact is that the only time SA is somewhat safe in mid/lower stain is when they blob which isn't often. Time will tell if SA can maintain a viable and consistant presence in Mid Stain.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:37:00 -
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Just to respond to Doctor who posted while I was:
If you know the history you might understand that SA has brought this upon themselves.
1- SA started the war with CA because they didnt like some of the corps within it. Yes they were enemies from past but thats the basic jist of it.
2- C4 was formed by OC after the SA turned on OC (OC was a former member of SA) in a political manuever to strip OC of it's SA territory that it possessed from the beginning when OC was one of the first 4 SA corps.
3- SA attacked Xetic while still in an official NAP with them. I still say "WTF was going through their heads" as they certainly didnt need another enemy.
So mourn not for the SA as this is of their own making.
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Grumpf
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Grumpf on 16/04/2004 13:08:13
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lol Xetic. Still "NAP" you must be out of your mind. sry. But Some of your Alliance member attacked 2 of my Members. and one of IGS member, and collective few days back when it happend.! So dont say something like this. SA had meeting about this metter. and thougth since you attacked us. we should pay you back. No worries. Just talk with your ppl and have things layd up for you befor you go on talking about something you dont even know.
Maybe you can come up with some dates, names, etc.?
I am referring to what happened on march, 19th. One day later we gave Trigger the names of both SA pilots that were with M0o. on the same day (20-03) later we informed him that we decided to cancel the NAP and that we would expect some statement from SA on their interests in a good relationship with us.
On march, 21st a fleet of like 15 SA battleships invaded our territory and attacked us.
I am sure you refer to events that happened after that.
If you think you need more detailed info, you are always free to convo me.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.04.16 13:09:00 -
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You know I'm growing tired of SA people lying time and again about maintaining a superior kill ratio with CA. Curse was the last claimed pirate region, we had far more enemies than SA did, and we fought well when we were few in number. To claim you are losing the war because of lack of numbers or wealth is a sham.
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Fionn MacCool
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Posted - 2004.04.16 13:48:00 -
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Disclaimer: I'm not a chief. I'm just an indian. I'm not a spokesman for TTI and certainly not for C4. My opinions are my own and do not, necessarily, reflect those of my corporation or my alliance.
My observations:
The original poster noted that his perspective was from the point of view of a member of MASS/SA. Mine is from the POV of a member of TTI/C4. Unlike the author of this thread, I do not see C4 and CA as a single entity and I doubt that many other members of C4 do either.
Quite naturally, each member corporation of C4 or any other alliance has its own agenda. For instance, Omega is a pure PvP corporation while TTI is primarily an industrial corporation. It would be very convenient for TTI if SA were to surrender and leave the area so we could peacefully go about our primary business of making ourselves rich. It would be most convenient, in my opinion, for Omega if SA were to remain a more or less viable fighting force in and around Stain so they would have a constant supply of targets nearby 
Is the Stain Aliance dead? Not yet. But it's area of influence is certainly and dramatically curtailed.
Will the SA ever be completely conquered and driven out of the area? Yes. Inevitably. An argument can be made that SA is already conquered and has been reduced to hit and run guerrila raids. A day will come, and soon, that C4 will achieve a critical mass in the area and the remaining members of SA will find it impossible to conduct anything resembling normal operations.
SA is the oldest alliance, post-release, in EVE. It has many accomplishments of which to be proud, and a few of which to be ashamed. Its place in the history of EVE is secure. Its passing into history is not, intrinsically, a bad thing. Time marches on. C4 will write the next chapter in the region.
The Roman Empire is commonly believed to have ceased to exist in about the 10th century. What is less commonly known is that it actually continued to exist, albeit much diminished, until the signing of the Armistice, November 11, 1918.
The Stain Alliance, as a vast power to be reckoned with, has already ceased to exist; however, I have no doubt that its remnants will continue for some time to come. |
Grumpf
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Posted - 2004.04.16 14:01:00 -
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The Roman Empire is commonly believed to have ceased to exist in about the 10th century. What is less commonly known is that it actually continued to exist, albeit much diminished, until the signing of the Armistice, November 11, 1918.
If you refer to the "Holy Roman Empire", then i must correct you. First of all it is another entity and that one only lasted from 973 till 1806. Napoleon put an end to it.
The western part of the Roman Empire lasted till 23-08-476 when the last Roman Emperor Romulus Augustus was disposed and Odoacer proclaimed himself King of Italy.
The eastern part stopped to exist in 1453 when Constantinople fell.
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Fionn MacCool
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Posted - 2004.04.16 14:52:00 -
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I do not stand corrected :) The timeline of the Roman Empire continues until the last Caesar, Kaiser Wilhelm. The validity of this point is delightfully arguable; however, whether it ended in 1806 or 1918, the point I made is still amply illustrated. Rome, as an empire, lasted nearly 1,000 years longer than is commonly believed :)
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will, one day, plow for those who do not" -T.Jefferson
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.16 15:17:00 -
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.16 15:22:00 -
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well alts r ghey, and using alts to kill indys and lone ships and then log off when resistance is met is just ghey...
"We brake for nobody"
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Grumpf
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Posted - 2004.04.16 15:38:00 -
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I do not stand corrected :) The timeline of the Roman Empire continues until the last Caesar, Kaiser Wilhelm.
The empires you mention are not connected to the Roman Empire as i already pointed out.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:15:00 -
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I do not stand corrected :) The timeline of the Roman Empire continues until the last Caesar, Kaiser Wilhelm.
The empires you mention are not connected to the Roman Empire as i already pointed out.
Who cares ?
Point is there's a difference between SA being down and SA being out.
It's down, not out.
And for the not so veteran players. SA once was the big bad wolf on the block with CA being the small fry and Xetic not even existing (in 0.0) yet. Now CA is the big, C4 the bad wolf and SA the diminishing power. Xetic is newish, not experienced but able to take one hell of a beating yet I guess (actually, I could know).
The region will stay intresting, cause it's not the riches that keep the remaining SA forces there, it's the fights.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:17:00 -
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OK HERE WE GO! ALTS = PEOPLE U USE TO SCAM PEOPLE!
IN OMEGA CORP WE HAE COMBAT CHARACTERS AND MINING CHARACTERS AND FRIGATE CHARACTERS. SO YEA IF YOU WANNA CALL US LAME FOR USING DIFFERENT CHARACTERS FOR DIFFERENT AREA'S LIKE THE GAME INTENDED GO RIGHT AHEAD! OH AND IT'S ONLY CA AND C4 THAT DOES LAME FRIGATE GURILLEA FIGHTING IN FRIGATES!
DISCLAIMER: THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU IN CAPS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE HAS A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING YOU IT IS OFTEN BETTER TO SPEAK A BIT LOUDER.
(Side note: We dont just kill indi's, infact we've killed several SA battleships in frigates alone).
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:21:00 -
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but how do u expect ppl to kill does alts when u attack lone ships and log off when back up comes?
"We brake for nobody"
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:35:00 -
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but how do u expect ppl to kill does alts when u attack lone ships and log off when back up comes?
at which point did i say that we did that? OR DID U ASSUME IT? :D.
I've lost countless frigates, i've engaged several enemy bs's in my frigate, infact i recall engaging two battleships outside 4gq for 5 minutes, managed to get one of their shields down too 65% :D. So please stop assuming, when we fight in frigates we do lose some, it would be boring otherwise.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:39:00 -
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i assumed that becouse of this
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There will always be some CA in Stain that are 'unchallenged', like the group of CA alts down near 4GQ that log back onto their mains the second more than 2 ships are looking for them.
but what do i know? 
"We brake for nobody"
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:42:00 -
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Alright, a few things here and then I'm done. This thread didn't evolve into what I'd hoped it would, to say the least.
1) To say that CA 'controls' mid Stain is rediculous. You have alts and a few mains down there who log out at the first sign of any resistance. You sit there and pray on the few mining ships we have active in the area, then run away and log off when a force even close to matching yours shows up to deal with you. The CA force in 4gq and 05y are nothing more than terrorists and I'd be surprised if we could oust them completely before black ops frigates are introduced.
2) The first NAP with Xetic may indeed have been broken by SA, but it was poor communication between both sides that lead to the hostilities. Also I'd like to point out that Xetic recently applied for a NAP again, which it 5 days later broke by entering DSS and attacking SA once again.
3) The battle yesterday in HLW was basically one of the closest we've had in a while. I don't know if kudos to CA are in order here though, because they clearly had the upper hand camping the jump in point at med-long range with drones out in their home system with equal numbers, frankly I'm surprised we didn't lose more due to the jump in lag than we did (as it took myself over a minute just to enter space, and I rarely lag). Previous battles have ended in enormous losses for CA and relatively little for SA, like this one that took place on March 27th, when we took a fleet into Curse as far as E02 before we were finally attacked on our way out (after flying around for about 3 hours).
Clevinger Scorpion [SPCT] E02
Jake Sisko Tempest [VIRIL] E02
Foyle BB [BCKW] E02
Twitch Veleshti Caracel [VOTF] E02
Capt Hindgrinder Tempest [EGCO] E02
Khal Dominicus ? [EGCO] E02
Mchalin Scorpion [BCKW] E02
Clay101 ? [M.] E02
Khal Dominicus BB [EGCO] E02
Braxtin frig [VOTF] Eo2
Saphyre Tempest [SIM] U-Q
PropanElgen Tempest [CRICE] E02-IK
Losses:
1 BB, 1 frigate, 2 interceptors
These are kills confirmed by screenshots and fraps footage of the battle, nothing more. And here's the battle in V-3 that happened about a week ago:
We lost 5 Battleships. 3[COL] 1[R-I] 1[DEKIN]
Kills:
The Ratfink - VOFT - Tempest
Mactor VOFT - Tempest
Slacker - VOFT - Scorpion
USS OMAHA - VOFT - Scorpion
Braxtin - VOFT - Scorpion
Schadenfroh - VOFT - Tempest
Tony1 - VOFT- Megatron
Redon - VOFT- Scorpion
Xirtamvoft - VOFT - Scorpion
Wildhope - SNRA - Megathron
Nem3SiS - NGRU - Apoc ?
Double G - CRICE - Scorpion
Monumen - CRICE? - Scorpion
Lightace - Nomads - BB?
Gunneruk - SNRA - Moa
Svabbi K - SPECT - Scorpion
Mang0o - C.O.W - Raven
Impala -SNRA- cruiser
A battle in which even the local CA admitted total defeat (Zelota > gues we got owned there). Could you show me some similar instances of CA victories against SA in the last month or so?
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And then SA left just as more were turning up to fight.
You already matched us in numbers when we arrived, we weren't about to sit around and wait for you to outnumber us 2:1 before attacking again, and you'd have done the same.
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To claim you are losing the war because of lack of numbers or wealth is a sham.
How so? Enemy forces outnumber us 5:1 and all of them are directly on our borders. On top of this we have no high level ore in Stain, not even crokite. We were losing the war a month ago when we lost Esoteria and Paragon Soul, but the tides are turning now. Besides what would C4 do if we came back into Esoteria with a fleet? Log off. They would all log off in safe spots and come back when the fleet has left or gone to bed, at which point they'd all come back on and resume mining whilst gloating about how they control the region.
Control doesn't mean you're just there, it means if someone else tries to move themselves to where you are you directly oppose them and either keep them from coming in or kick them out. The CA in 4GQ aren't doing this. The C4 in Esoteria aren't doing this. The CA in Curse are, which is why they have control of Curse. The SA in Stain are, which is why we still have control of Stain. If you don't agree with this definition I'll fly and alt into Curse tomorrow, kill an indy then log off when a ship with guns comes along. Once this ship leaves, I'll log back on and kill another indy, at that point Curse will no longer be under CA control. Agree? No? I wouldn't either.
Now, with those things said I'm going to refrain from posting in this thread any longer. Like I said it didn't turn out how I'd hoped, and frankly this argueing back and forth can go on for days, so for now I'll see you guys on the battlefield
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:46:00 -
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Can some random MASS guy who have been in the SA a bit longer please tell Xelios to stop posting crap about stuff he dont know **** about?
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 16/04/2004 17:21:43
The beauty of all this is Tansien, that I'm not just making things up. It doesn't matter how long I've been in SA, all the things I've mentioned did happen and are happening, my being in SA a couple months or a year wouldn't change that.
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Uh... trust me man, most of our kills dont come from fleet battles, and secondly, you need to go over your kill lists...
No, most of your kills come from ganking lone ships at gates, you are a pirate alliance after all. And I don't see you offering up any 'corrected' kill lists. Like I said, the kill lists I gave are confirmed from fraps footage and screenshots, nothing more and nothing less. Feel free to continue posting, I will not.
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.04.16 17:09:00 -
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Uh... trust me man, most of our kills dont come from fleet battles, and secondly, you need to go over your kill lists...
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2004.04.16 17:34:00 -
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Can some random MASS guy who have been in the SA a bit longer please tell Xelios to stop posting crap about stuff he dont know **** about?
Ok,
I have been in Stain since June, I am a former Stain CEO (got tired of the crap and resigned to have some fun flying around).
Xelios list posted is CORRECT.
Nuff Said.
For that matter, add to it Infinity's list as well.
CA had done an excellent job vs superior numbers up until the Castor patch. After the castor patch and the bonus Ark, they did a very good job taking advantage of growing wealth, and growing membership. Kudo's for that. Imo as of late, they seem to have lost a step. I have no idea why, or even if its more imagined then real. But it is my opnion.
SA had done an excellent job up until the Castor patch. After the castor patch, SA suffered greatly - both from declining or absent ore, declining membership, and a loss of usable factories and research slots, that now were 30+ systems deep in near useless 0.0 space. Now SA is doing an excellent job vs Superior numbers. Its membership is lean again, and the members that are still in SA are both battle hardened and seasoned.
I dont post this for anyone to agree, or even feel they need to disagree. Its merely my opnion based on my obeservation of the time slot I play.
Random MASS Guy
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.04.16 17:38:00 -
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Gimme a break and dont complain over membership, you have recruited lots of corps as "friends of stain" and even that CGC alliance that was pretty large became a part of SA, so really i'm suprised you diden't get larger forces together...
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O'Neill
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Posted - 2004.04.16 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: O'Neill on 16/04/2004 18:07:36
Tansien I could say the same think to you i have been fighting curse for along time and have most of there faces but you are unknown to me which tells my you aint been around stain much 
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.04.16 18:22:00 -
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I love how you guys try and inflate your kills with frigate kills i mean prime example Braxtin is like a 4 week old character and they count him being in a battleship rotflmao
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.04.16 18:25:00 -
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Reclaimer it was a skorp using 250s. Was supposed to be supporting the others for gate camping not fleet battle. We never intended to fight a large force but they wanted exp for the newer guys so we went. 5bs 3 cruisers and like 7 frigs. We were way slow so you knew we were coming and in what. for only losing 2 bs and jumping in on you guys camped we did ok. I know you guys lost 1. we lost all the frigs and 2 cruisers but it lasted allot longer then i expected. It was fun!!!!!! its all spilt milk now anyways :) Much better fighting now that were with guys who are on our time zone.
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.04.16 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jadrut on 16/04/2004 18:42:38
WHY GOD WHY? Why did god give people keyboards?
the answer: to flame this topic to hell
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.04.16 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jadrut on 16/04/2004 18:42:38
WHY GOD WHY? Why did god give people keyboards?
the answer: to flame this topic to hell
lol touchÚ
p.s. we love you all, hugs and kisses from The Collective
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Bele gorri
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Posted - 2004.04.16 19:13:00 -
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Just a bit offtopic 
I've just donwloaded your "WorldofEVE" video.It's Gorgeous . Congratulations for the work done
To the post here.
I your post the image you give of Stain is an Alliance blowed but still very strong and keeping safe their inner frontiers.
I doubt of that view.
The question most of the EVE players that haven't lost anything in that war is if the SA is going to survive the CA alliance.
I , like many others, think no. But who knows.
Anyway, good luck and honorable fights all of you
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.04.16 19:38:00 -
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Can ppl please stay of what u lost occardinly it remains a fact that u can't get a conformation yet who u really killed.
We will see who wins or losses as for now. I just want 2 say one thing 2 Xelios.
Keep on having fun playing the game m8!! Never lose that ;)
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