Claytons is the brand name of a non-alcoholic, non-carbonated beverage coloured and packaged to resemble bottled whisky. It was the subject of a major marketing campaign in Australia and New Zealand in the 1970s and 1980s, promoting it as "the drink you have when you're not having a drink" at a time when alcohol was being targeted as a major factor in the road toll.

Although the product is no longer being actively marketed, the name has entered into Australian and New Zealand vernacular where it represents a "poor substitute" or "an ineffective solution to a problem".

so yes i would guess they are unsubbing

BUT, one of things I've noticed in nearly ALL of them.

I've unsubbed, BUT my account doesn't run out until x month.

So did you unsub or not?

Subbed == subscription paid yes?
UNsubbed == subscription not paid?

People not happy with the game can also DELETE their characters, while unsubbing. That would be making a point, everything else is just showing off.

If players are not telling the truth, this graph would look differently.

That's ppl logging/not logging. That's not the "unsubs". Different metric.

That's ppl logging/not logging. That's not the "unsubs". Different metric.

and is my whole point living dead girl thingy.

How can CCP take ANY char seriously that "unsubs" publically when in reality they're still subbed. i.e SAYING

A REAL protest would be DELETING the char. That isn't happening. i.e. DOING

Maybe that's what CCP meant after all

and is my whole point living dead girl thingy.

How can CCP take ANY char seriously that "unsubs" publically when in reality they're still subbed. i.e SAYING

A REAL protest would be DELETING the char. That isn't happening. i.e. DOING

Maybe that's what CCP meant after all

Most of the people who are unsubbing...... and may indeed return if the game is sorted out to their satisfaction

a Clayton's unsub.

The concept is really not hard to wrap your head around. Please try and keep up with the rest of us, or I'll have to relegate you to the short bus.

I say old sir,

Have you unsubbed or are you subbed or are you subbed in a substance with an unsubbed sub?

As I said. a Clayton's unsub. For mine, it's all P*** and W***, sitting at a keyboard screaming "i'm unsubbing" when you intend to hang around. It means absolutely f all.

Either say I quit and actually quit or grow a pair, get in your spaceship and start flying (you know FiS!!!)...

Along the way, jump in the forums, say g'day and cough up some constructive criticism when s*** REALLY goes bad, not destructive negativity learned by being spoiled brats who didn't win a lollipop at the local fair.

Eve will improve just by doing THAT small thing...... I'll see ya out there somewhere.

Or not. (I don't actually know if your all still playing dammit).

If you REALLY unsubbed and quit etc. then you won't be reading this and all the players that have stayed can get a laugh at your expense.

That's ppl logging/not logging. That's not the "unsubs". Different metric.

That graph also shows that any decline actually halted with Incarna, not a great use of statistics!

This issue seems to really concern you, so my question is this: Why? What do you care what other people do with there subscriptions?

And I'm pretty sure the joke isn't on the guy who finds something better to do but on the fat nerds that actually think they're better off (like you).

a) Aren't Australian, and are doing as smashing a job of misinterpreting Aussie culture as those Americans who come over here and use "dead horse" to refer to tomato sauce, thinking its authentic or some ****, OR
b) are occa as hell, in a bizarrely backwards 1980's way

Their subsequent "I've unsubbed but I'm still playing so I can cause maximum carnage" smacks of hypocrisy, stupidity and downright nastiness. It's ego stroking and childish and just damages things further. For no gain. It's selfish in the extreme.

If you do not intend to play, leave. If you DO intend to play, then, as I stated, cough up some constructive criticism and move forward.

Acting like a spoiled child is NOT how things are done in RL. And let's face it, CCP is RL peoople with an RL company making RL money.

GǪapart from CCP having a long history of reacting to that, and that alone. They've groomed this behaviour themselves, consciously or not.

People have given up on being constructive because experience has shown that in this particular case, it doesn't lead anywhere. Whether you want to conclude from this that CCP does actually live in la-la land thenGǪ wellGǪ I'm not sure you'd get many people arguing against that.

again though, they CANT do that. Partly out of pride, they have a lot of hubris, too much to not "stay the course" and admit theyre wrong, but also giving in to a move like this brings up the idea of negotiating with terrorists. Whats to stop you from applying this pressure every time hey make a decision you dont like?

If they give in, they set a dangerous precedent, the game direction is taken out of their hands. If they dont, the game dies. You havent given then a recourse of retreat.

Acting like a spoiled child is NOT how things are done in RL. And let's face it, CCP is RL peoople with an RL company making RL money.

The type of behaviour I am seeing is expected in Eve, you know, the game!

How many here would walk into their bosses office and demand a payrise by threatening to quit?
How many here would try and get out of a traffic fine by yelling at a cop?

Yes, rallies and public disobedience have worked to highlight issues but they are generally never good enough or strong enough to resolve issues. Resolution comes from offering alternative solutions and harnessing the power to get it implemented in a manner that leaves ALL parties feeling they have both relinquished and gained from it.

99.9% of world diplomacy and fiscal trade occurs because of good communication skills, good conduct and civility.

GǪapart from CCP having a long history of reacting to that, and that alone. They've groomed this behaviour themselves, consciously or not.

People have given up on being constructive because experience has shown that in this particular case, it doesn't lead anywhere. Whether you want to conclude from this that CCP does actually live in la-la land thenGǪ wellGǪ I'm not sure you'd get many people arguing against that.

THe arguement isn't about what CCP has done or not done, whole different subject.
THe arguement is about the players going to far.

THere is huge difference between the community getting together and telling CCP that a nerf or a mechanic change is going to do more damage then good.

It is a completely different story when the players ettempt to tell a company what their next expansion is going to be and if not the players are going to try and destroy the game all together.

THe arguement isn't about what CCP has done or not done, whole different subject.
THe arguement is about the players going to far.