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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.18 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 17/04/2004 18:48:40
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Ulendar, regardless of all that, this kind of behaviour WILL force CCP's hands and it WILL affect those of us who choose to play by the rules.
I think it is incredibly lame to fire a kestrel at point blank range to kill an industrial - it's cowardly too. The player you've ganked can't retaliate because the offending player is in a npc corp., won't ever leave 1.0 space, and will just be recycled when their security status drops low enough.
That's where the frustration comes from - there is NO chance for retaliation.
Since when were indy's suppose to be flow without escort? CCP has said NUMEROUS times that indys should be escorted. If you had an interceptor or two ganged with your hauler you COULD get REVENGE.
Its exactly this narrow minded soft thinking that is making Eve lose its appeal to me. ******* carebears need to sit and mine scrodite in high-sec systems with Apocs and uber mods to make riskless profits. This is something I know CCP hates and I do as well.
Why not get rid of gateguns, in low sec space, that way a friendly battleship could go blast the campers and still get away if properly setup?
I see no need to allow ppl to fly nearly the whole of eve afk. A decent pilot in an indy can get away from kestrals if he fits his ship with a bit of thinking, other than going for the BIGGEST cargo hold.
Please, Mr Troll, tell me how an escort would prevent a Kestrel pilot firing 4 cruise missiles at point blank range from ganking an indy when said Kestrel pilot is in an npc corporation in 1.0 space.
That is what this topic is about.
Being ganged has bugger all to do with it either - you can't attack someone if they are attacking a gangmate.
Show's what you know. Or don't know for that matter. If someone attacks a gang mate, YOU CAN SHOOT BACK! But, why would you know that?
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2004.04.18 03:39:00 -
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As was point out last thread on this topic... right now 1.0 is safe... FOR THE GANKERS!!!
You can't shoot them first or concord kills you
After they shoot up the indy it doesn't really matter if you have an escort or not, concord will kill them. They know they are going to lose the ship, it is just the cost of doing business and they are cheap. So escorts are pointless.
You can't pod kill them after concord blows up their ship or concord will kill you.
You can't kill their buddies scooping the loot since concord will kill you.
You can't really declare war on them, they can stay in a noob corp or just switch corps.
There are some carebears here.. pirate carebears... This is piracy with ZERO risk, you just sit at the gate PROTECTED by concord until you scan a nice target, you kill it, pay the small cost of a new ship while your mates scoop the loot.
The only real defense is instajumps or using a tank that can take 4 or 8 cruise missiles.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.18 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 17/04/2004 13:58:47
Ulendar, regardless of all that, this kind of behaviour WILL force CCP's hands and it WILL affect those of us who choose to play by the rules.
I think it is incredibly lame to fire a kestrel at point blank range to kill an industrial - it's cowardly too. The player you've ganked can't retaliate because the offending player is in a npc corp., won't ever leave 1.0 space, and will just be recycled when their security status drops low enough.
That's where the frustration comes from - there is NO chance for retaliation.
Since when were indy's suppose to be flow without escort? CCP has said NUMEROUS times that indys should be escorted. If you had an interceptor or two ganged with your hauler you COULD get REVENGE.
Its exactly this narrow minded soft thinking that is making Eve lose its appeal to me. ******* carebears need to sit and mine scrodite in high-sec systems with Apocs and uber mods to make riskless profits. This is something I know CCP hates and I do as well.
Why not get rid of gateguns, in low sec space, that way a friendly battleship could go blast the campers and still get away if properly setup?
I see no need to allow ppl to fly nearly the whole of eve afk. A decent pilot in an indy can get away from kestrals if he fits his ship with a bit of thinking, other than going for the BIGGEST cargo hold.
Please, Mr Troll, tell me how an escort would prevent a Kestrel pilot firing 4 cruise missiles at point blank range from ganking an indy when said Kestrel pilot is in an npc corporation in 1.0 space.
That is what this topic is about.
Being ganged has bugger all to do with it either - you can't attack someone if they are attacking a gangmate.
Show's what you know. Or don't know for that matter. If someone attacks a gang mate, YOU CAN SHOOT BACK! But, why would you know that?
It's not in any patch notes or dev blog. That feature is NOT in the game.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.04.18 10:54:00 -
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1. I find the "scammers" rather imaginative in this case.
2. I don't want 100% secure space anywhere.
3. The noob who got tricked must be really really stupid. So many things done wrong it really was deserved.
Just up to CCP to decide whether they have the balls to develop this game true to their vision or if they will cave in and make an unplayable mess of this game.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.18 15:46:00 -
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It's not in any patch notes or dev blog. That feature is NOT in the game.
I assure it is indeed in the game.
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.04.18 16:47:00 -
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1. I find the "scammers" rather imaginative in this case.
2. I don't want 100% secure space anywhere.
3. The noob who got tricked must be really really stupid. So many things done wrong it really was deserved.
Just up to CCP to decide whether they have the balls to develop this game true to their vision or if they will cave in and make an unplayable mess of this game.
Your missing the point, its not about the stupid player who served them his implant on the table.
The point is zero risk "pirating" with alts. Heck, you can't even call it pirating, that would put shame on real pirates.To put it plain, the point is the concord exploit, and yes exploit that they don't attack the buddies who steal cargo off a victim. |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.04.18 18:24:00 -
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2. I don't want 100% secure space anywhere.
What you want matters, when you spend five years plus developing and publishing this game, and not before.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.04.18 18:55:00 -
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Your missing the point, its not about the stupid player who served them his implant on the table.
The point is zero risk "pirating" with alts. Heck, you can't even call it pirating, that would put shame on real pirates.To put it plain, the point is the concord exploit, and yes exploit that they don't attack the buddies who steal cargo off a victim.
Ok. My point was this. The player was stupid and therefore this occured. If he wouldn't have been that retarded the situation would never have arisen and we would have no problem. Cure the disease not the symptoms...
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:16:00 -
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Ok Fred, I say AGAIN: He was stupid, he deserved it, BUT he is NOT the point here. Its about people camping gates and not getting punished for stealing from a victim because Concord sits around watching. |
Loka
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:45:00 -
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I dont know whats your problem is. I also deliver some nice items, even implants but i never got ganked by pirates. Ok sometimes some kestrels thought iam and Indy and tried to attack my MEGATHRONE with their Kestrels to get my Cargo. To bad that not every one is stupid enough to deliver anything worther than his ship in his cargo. Except xxxxx amount of Megacyte in a BS, which is more expensive that the ship itself. And even if someone locks me and try to make me shooting at them in a >0.5 System who in the hell is stupid enough???? In anything bigger than a Frigate its almost impossible to be killed with an Alpha-Strike of any Frigate. Even a cruiser isnt able to do such a Firststrike against a Cruiser. And BS wont be used for such a suicide mission. So fly in a cruiser and than you have 0.0000 Problems with such pirates.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.04.19 13:10:00 -
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Lot's of points in this thread so here goes.
1. Yeah alt ganking is probably the gheeyest thing in EVE. Well after BS mining in n00b systems.
2. We need graded Faction response in low sec space ( not 0.0).
3. People need to realise that not every gate into 0.0 is camped.
4. Pirates need to realise if you camp the same gate over and over again then people will ***** and CCP will nerf that.
5. Most of these problems stem from people being lazy. Carebears being to lazy to check the map, pay attention or ask for intel. Pirates (most) for being too damn lazy to spread their camping around.
6. Never sell anything on the trade channel. You can sell everything but non-scc(?) stuff on the market and the rest on escrow. There is no need to ever going into the stinking pit that is the trade channel.
7. EVE is a pvp game, period. Everything you do in EVE is pvp. You mine to sell the minerals competing against other miners. You hunt NPC's in part because you want loot to sell competing with other hunters. If a person wants to suicide with their main character thats part of the game. You are only totally safe during downtime.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.04.19 16:45:00 -
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7. EVE is a pvp game, period.
1-6, fine. 7 is flat-out wrong. If you bothered to read the box, or the manual, or the FAQs on this board, or absolutely any other information to do with the game, you'd know it was wrong.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.04.19 16:52:00 -
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Ok Fred, I say AGAIN: He was stupid, he deserved it, BUT he is NOT the point here. Its about people camping gates and not getting punished for stealing from a victim because Concord sits around watching.
Well still if we all wise up the lame gatescannering noobs with cruise kessies are out of a job. Problem solved.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.04.19 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 19/04/2004 17:02:12
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1-6, fine. 7 is flat-out wrong. If you bothered to read the box, or the manual, or the FAQs on this board, or absolutely any other information to do with the game, you'd know it was wrong.
/me looks at both his eve box's and wonders where he should read..
It's an online game with social interaction pretty much unavoidable. Now define pvp because in my eyes almost everything you do is pvp in EVE.
Dabble in the market? Check
Shoot anything? Check
Mine asteroids? Check
Talk to anyone? Check
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:16:00 -
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Here's a solution:
Make it so cheap frigates can't equip cruise missles.
Problem solved!
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:35:00 -
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I suggest that anyone who expects everything to be 100% safe, just stop playing this game now. In fact, stop playing any game. By that same token, stop driving or riding in cars, you might get in a wreck. Also don't shower, you might slip and break your neck. Don't take a bath either, because they say you can drown in just one inch of water. Don't use electrical equipment, it might have a short in it and electricute you.
Point is that no measure of game mechanics or preparation/prevention will ever keep people who desperately want to screw with someone ingame. The only way to fix the problems is to clearly define problems as exploits and ban the account. As long as any person is ingame they have the potential of griefing. That being said, nothing in this game will ever be 100% safe.
This person who got ganked should have been able to avoid all of this by being a little more aware. First, like was said earlier, if you transport valuables, use a better ship. Second, if they are waiting for you at the gate out, you can see the folks in local. If you are suspicious, check the area for clues. Don't feel pressured to do the whole run around for a customer. If the deal sounds too good to be true then don't go for it. If someone really wants to pay a lot more than normal price they can also be expected to take another jump. If he can't make it, something's got to be up.
The tactic that is being used is as lame as lame gets. The alt issue is the basis of a lot of problems ingame but it's used by those who don't really care about the way they play the game. Getting rid of the alts does nothing to change the idiots controlling their character. They could do this on their main and afford to replace a clone.
Btw, the tactic isn't new, it's been around since the beginning of the game.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Allaina
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:26:00 -
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Show's what you know. Or don't know for that matter. If someone attacks a gang mate, YOU CAN SHOOT BACK! But, why would you know that?
Interesting. Even if that were true, what good would it do you? Concord would already have blown up the offender while HIS friends who are not ganged make off with your gangmates stuff. Nothing you can do about that
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Emil Antonowsky
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:31:00 -
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Show's what you know. Or don't know for that matter. If someone attacks a gang mate, YOU CAN SHOOT BACK! But, why would you know that?
Interesting. Even if that were true, what good would it do you? Concord would already have blown up the offender while HIS friends who are not ganged make off with your gangmates stuff. Nothing you can do about that
Its called piracy.
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Faster ThanJesus
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:39:00 -
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Its called piracy.
Er, they were pointing out that an escort in secure space is superfluous, not asking what destroying and looting ships is known by.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 20/04/2004 13:04:52
Originally by: hey nice new feature
Edited by: Aelius on 16/04/2004 10:10:29
Nerfing even more the PVP in Empire Space is not a solution.
One thing i would like to be introduced is a module that denies the "scan cargo" to another player. a "anti-cargo scanner" that would help people transporting valuable stuff.
like smuggler compartments, a cargo obfuscator? nice... i like it!
BTW instaganking someone in 1.0 who has a greater chance of being whacked by CONCORD then surviving the attack is NOT "PVP," why is this not obvious? These tools are HIDING behind the sentry guns and CONCORD and navy ships NEXT TO THEM to attack without fear of reprisals and lose nothing for it.
1) remove sentries and CONCORD once and for frickin' all
2) the contraband rules can't get here quick enough. Even if mr. third-party hauler gets a small sec hit for scooping the victim's possessions, it's a damn start.
Get it thru your heads, this is NO MORE PVP then using 4673254 drones to create lag and ganking ships as they load the environment. 5648653 PC, n00b self-policing non-carebears can be at that gate to keep it clear of pirates and... do nothing. Fire one shot, CONCORD kills them. The only option is to use suicide alts in return to clear the suicide alts, and then things are just effing ridiculous.
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Bella Verde
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Posted - 2004.04.19 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bella Verde on 19/04/2004 21:08:54
I'm sick of people whining about getting killed.
And even more sick of the people that want to nerf empire fights beyond what they already are. in my opinion, there should be NO sentry guns, but in high sec space there should be patrolling ships, less as you go down the security level ladder. And no super concord ships that warp and lock you instantly.
Although the fact that you cant defend your friend indy getting pummeled by a couple of kestrels is stupid.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.20 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bella Verde
Although the fact that you cant defend your friend indy getting pummeled by a couple of kestrels is stupid.
right, that was... sorta kinda my point..  
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