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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2004.04.16 09:23:00 -
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Ok here is my little rant on some events that happened the past couple of days.
Some lame players found a new way of taking away precious stuff from mosty noobs. This is how it goes :
Someone try's to sell an expensive module on tradechannel. (implant / named cargoexp / ect.. ) they convo the guy with 2 persons. The 1 keeps overbidding the other, in the final offer goes like this : "I'll bid $$Million for it, but you have to deliver it." Noob goes crazy finding out that his 15 mill worth implant gets sold for almost 22 mill now. Takes a shuttle, loads his implant into the cargo. Travels to the (1.0 - 0.6) system where he has to deliver, arrives there and docks just to hear the guy can't make it. But his m8 will pay for it just 1 jump away. (still 1.0 - 0.5 so SAFE SPACE). Noob still enhousiastic arrives at the gate in his shuttle and gets insta-ganked by the buyer himself or a corpm8. 3 mates sitting at the same range to see how the sentry's take out the cheap frig (mostly kestrel) that has ganked the noobs-shuttle. they approach the can, and take the expensive implant / module.
Ok Dev's / GM / Polaris, this needs to stop now !!!
Why in peace name are there 8 freaking sentrys AND 4 or more faction ships at a 0.6 gate. It makes you feel SAFE but you shouldn't feel safe, noooooo, everytime you undock with your precious cargo you should be aware that you "could be" ganked by some guy that knows that the cargo your shipping is worth a LOT more then his own ship.
These lamers are NOT good for the game, i've heared several story's in the past couple of day's of ppl that had this happen to them. Some of them experienced players, some of them noobs. This is unacceptable.
Also tought of a solution : Shield transfer modules inmplemented on sentrys. If some lamer starts shooting on someone. the sentrys both lock the attacker and the victim. They fire on the attacker, and start transferring shield to the victim to make it "invunerable" until the attacker is destroyed.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.16 09:26:00 -
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lol, what muppet would fall for that?
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.16 09:28:00 -
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"Also tought of a solution : Shield transfer modules inmplemented on sentrys. If some lamer starts shooting on someone. the sentrys both lock the attacker and the victim. They fire on the attacker, and start transferring shield to the victim to make it "invunerable" until the attacker is destroyed. "
That is a very good solution I think...but needs to be tested
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Nessaden
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Posted - 2004.04.16 09:39:00 -
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Yea thats nice. you should be defended by concord if getting attacked.
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2004.04.16 09:57:00 -
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"Also tought of a solution : Shield transfer modules inmplemented on sentrys. If some lamer starts shooting on someone. the sentrys both lock the attacker and the victim. They fire on the attacker, and start transferring shield to the victim to make it "invunerable" until the attacker is destroyed. "
That is a very good solution I think...but needs to be tested
Glad you like it, mayb someone can get a dev to look at this idea.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.04.16 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 16/04/2004 10:10:29
Nerfing even more the PVP in Empire Space is not a solution.
One thing i would like to be introduced is a module that denies the "scan cargo" to another player. a "anti-cargo scanner" that would help people transporting valuable stuff.
If you are selling something valuable be sure to sell it at a system with several gates and only reveal your station when you are already docked (this if you are delivering)
I recomend that sellers find them selfs a nice hangar in the highway systems and sell "on site".
Greed and using weak ships to transport valuables are your worst enemys.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2004.04.16 10:18:00 -
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If you're experienced enough to be selling implants on the trade channel, then in my book you should be experienced enough to know that people out there do not always have your best interests at heart and may try to stab you in the back.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.04.16 10:30:00 -
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Shuttles have about 150 hp shield and similar in armor. Cruise missile does 300 damage so a shield transfer wouldnŠt help if two cruise missile hit. The sentries could however shoot down missiles.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2004.04.16 10:33:00 -
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If you take a shuttle to deliver precious goods, its your own fault...at least take a heavy frig, or better a fast cruiser.
Just my 0.02 isk
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.04.16 10:36:00 -
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what sort of noob get's hold of a 15million isk implant?
(or am i the only noob who hasn't been given one of these? if so please give me one)
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Zasra
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 16/04/2004 10:10:29
Nerfing even more the PVP in Empire Space is not a solution.
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That's not pvp, it's pk'ing someone, pvp or player vs. player would imply a target that's willing to fight... Also it's abusing the system by using people who don't get attacked to pick up the loot. Sort of like what those morons in Zombie did. The people shield boosting them didn't get attacked.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:21:00 -
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Hey ho.
This sort of thing is just going to keep happening until CCP bite the bullet and make it physically impossible to shoot someone in >0.4 unless you're in a corp war with them. They can lay down the law about not being allowed to profit from attacking in high-sec space as often as they like, but people WILL find a way to do so regardless. If they don't want it to happen, they have to turn off the guns.
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:24:00 -
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I believe a very easy fix to this issue and the problem of people attacking you in 1.0 space is to just design the system that if you fire your missiles, Concord/sentry guns will blow you up before the missile actually strikes you, and sentry guns should have anti-missile lasers (defender missiles aren't too reliable) to shoot down any missile flying around.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:25:00 -
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People who do this with alts will make CCP do something drastic..and then come onto the forums with their mains to whine like bitches.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:27:00 -
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Whoever had the idea at CCP to allow players to have alts needs to be shot 
Stupid stupid stupid
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Rontti
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:36:00 -
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You learn something new every day..
The only reason for using the a shuttle would be speed. Take a frig, plug 2 MWDs in and its not only much faster than a shuttle, but also much harder to gank. Still possible, but harder. Also, be awake at the gates.
Crime, backstabbing, ambushes..etcetc, all part of the game imo. CONCORD is the police, they react to criminal activity, but like the real police, if someone shoots you, the police dont catch the bullet, but try to catch the shooter to get him punished.
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Jain Zarr
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:38:00 -
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Why not give sentry guns a special smartbomb, large area, no damage to anything but destroys missiles, whenever they detect a missile they just fire of the SB and the missiles expolde harmlessly.
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The Drip
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:38:00 -
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redundant topic, ISD please lock
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Khyle
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Khyle on 16/04/2004 11:49:50
If you look under Development in the Eve Insider tab, youll see that contraband flagging is in the works, in addition to criminal flagging.
What may come(i hope so) is:
Anyone outside the gang/corp of the owner should be ganked by the gates and concord if they loot from the fresh can (according to devs, the items are flagged, not the can).
This would at least solve the problem of concord being too blind and dumb to see that the looter takes part in the crime.
For anyone saying this would kill whatever you call it in empire space, if you commit a crime, you have to face the consequences, thats the meaning of empire space. Looting the can and getting away is exploiting a current flaw in game mechanics.
If it is an exploit in the "we will ban you" sense of the word? i doubt it, but if i lost valuable assets with that combination of scam and action at the edge of exploiting a flaw of game mechanics, ill petition it for sure.
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Zen Jakkaru
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:50:00 -
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Which genius told you 0.1-0.4 is 'SAFE SPACE'?
Even with those sentry guns, i sure as hell check local for people with negative security ratings.
Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!
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Khyle
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Posted - 2004.04.16 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Khyle on 16/04/2004 11:55:20
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Which genius told you 0.1-0.4 is 'SAFE SPACE'?
Even with those sentry guns, i sure as hell check local for people with negative security ratings.
Youre the only one talking about 0.1-0.4 in this thread  .
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:11:00 -
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Which genius told you 0.1-0.4 is 'SAFE SPACE'?
Even with those sentry guns, i sure as hell check local for people with negative security ratings.
Witch genius forgot to tell you to read the first post before you start whinin'
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 16/04/2004 12:19:46
I find it hard to imagine that someone with even a little brains and some contact to other pilots could at the same time have on his hands a 15M implant and be green enough to start taking it in a shuttle to a stranger in a strange system without suspecting a trap.
I'm not at all for "gate ganking" out of the blue, and naturally don't consider pirating the most honorable profession ever, but in the case described - what was the cheated pilot thinking? He flew into a trap. Maybe it was not obvious to him before he did that it was a trap, sure - that doesn't make it an unfair trap, just a succesful one. The pilot just let his greed get the better of his sense and lost.
Now he should learn from it, and teach others, is all.
Not that I object to sentries shield boosting, as such. :)
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Mandros Aslay
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:35:00 -
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I always say :
1. sell via market if possible.
2. or sell by escrow if not possible to sell in market.
3. If you met people in car-parks ....you MAY get mugged. You have choices.
Seems someone made the wrong choice.
Money is not the root of all evil. GREED IS !
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Talsarius
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Posted - 2004.04.16 12:57:00 -
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Shield transfers on sentries?... BAH....
How would you like a game that has NO GUNS, no PVP and no danger.
Would you be happy then?
CCP have created an amazing world that has the perfect mixture of both security and danger.
If you take the danger away, you take away the need to grow into something more powerful.
If a player (noob or no noob) get's waxed at the gate because someone knew he had an implant - that's life. Learn from it and find a more creative way to go about your business.
The Eve world gives everyone an opportunity to think creatively about how to do their business and that include's pulling off a successful scam.
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Mephisha
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Posted - 2004.04.16 14:16:00 -
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There is a very easy solution to this kind of thing happening.
On the character info screen show ALL characters the player has. That way there will be NO hiding behind a ALT that has been created to do these evil little scams. (keep the info available for at least 48 hours even if the char is deleted)
There may be a little problem with this idea ... that is if a person wants to have 2 active characters. One law-abiding and one pirate .... but how often will this happen when only one char at a time can be training ??
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Posted - 2004.04.16 14:45:00 -
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Empire is not SAFE space, its protected. Concord did what it was supposed to do: kill the agressor.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.04.16 15:10:00 -
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Shield transfers on sentries?... BAH....
How would you like a game that has NO GUNS, no PVP and no danger.
That's what 0.5+ is supposed to be. Those who prefer your version, have 0.4- to play with - which, please note, contains vastly more systems, and much higher value rocks/NPC rats.
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Valerien
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Posted - 2004.04.16 16:04:00 -
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Crime, backstabbing, ambushes..etcetc, all part of the game imo. CONCORD is the police, they react to criminal activity, but like the real police, if someone shoots you, the police dont catch the bullet, but try to catch the shooter to get him punished.
Yeah thats very true, they shouldn't be given powers to kill missiles. However, if the police watch a man shoot another in the street, then they in turn shot the attacker- would they let some bystanders run up and steal the wallet of the original victim?
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.16 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 16/04/2004 17:03:38
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Shield transfers on sentries?... BAH....
How would you like a game that has NO GUNS, no PVP and no danger.
Would you be happy then?
CCP have created an amazing world that has the perfect mixture of both security and danger.
If you take the danger away, you take away the need to grow into something more powerful.
If a player (noob or no noob) get's waxed at the gate because someone knew he had an implant - that's life. Learn from it and find a more creative way to go about your business.
The Eve world gives everyone an opportunity to think creatively about how to do their business and that include's pulling off a successful scam.
The point isn't so much that a scam was committed. It is more how gameplay mechanics allow people to do such a thing with no significant repercussions to themselves.
What worries do these scammers have? That their ALT will get a bad rep? That they tossed a ship and mods and ammo worth maybe 400k in exchange for a 15 mil item? What hopes for ANY sort of retribution, or justice if you like, does the person who just got ganked have to hope for? Clearly CONCORD popping the Kestrel is a 'price' these people are more than willing to pay. It would be like me robbing a bank of $100,000, getting caught and having the police confiscate my $2,000 car and considering it a done deal...justice served  .
It isn't just these guys setting someone up either. What about Kestrel Rapes that have people scanning cargo and popping ships in the same manner as above? Not ALL commerce can be done via fast frigs and fast cruisers. Some situations demand a hauler and a hauler has no real defence short of instajumps. I am seeing Kestrel Rapists at the highway gates a lot these days. It seems to be getting fairly popular.
I have no problems with scammers doing their thing IF they have to deal with the consequences as well. ALTs defeat that ability soundly and as a result CCP's only alternative is to continually up the 'protection' CONCORD provides. Why mess with all the fancy shield transporting and sentry missile shooting ideas? Why not just have CONCORD 'override' the targetting computers on ships in hi-sec space to only allow them to target corp members or people you are at war with?
I'm not proposing that as a real suggestion I support but that is where things are headed and frankly I think you can lay 90% or more of the problem at allowing ALTs to exist in EVE.
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