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Barrak Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.02.25 09:19:00 - [1] - Quote Hey, Going to be returning to the game over the course of the next month. Just want to get to grips on where the game is now and move things around before I jump right back in (only been abscent for 5 months) My whole EvE life revolved around Frigate hulls. I was active in RvB, solo Frigate PvP and Minnie FW missions (SB's). I wanted to know what the impact of the changes in Assault ships has had on the game when it comes to Frigate Hulls; both PvP and economics. I appreciate my question is a little general, but I either PvP in Frigates or I run FW missions to sell Firetails. So, as an example of a direct question; is there still a market for Firetails due to the changes to Assault ships? Regards Barrak
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 59	Posted - 2012.02.25 09:45:00 - [2] - Quote Yes there is still a market for firetail despite the recent AF buff. Many of the navy faction frigs remain popular for 2 reasons: cost and speed. The assault frigs have gone up in price, as a whole, and while AFs have good tanks and dps, they tend to be slow by comparison. As for flying frigs, the new AFs are great, the dram got nerfed, the DD got buffed to ridiculous levels (via the hybrid buff), and hybrid frigs are good. Null got a range bonus as well and Hail can hit more than the broad side of a barn now. I think you will enjoy flying frigs again. Additionally, changes for T1 frigs might be on the way. So that could be exciting too! Sig tanking is the new black
Barrak Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.02.25 09:56:00 - [3] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Yes there is still a market for firetail despite the recent AF buff. Many of the navy faction frigs remain popular for 2 reasons: cost and speed. The assault frigs have gone up in price, as a whole, and while AFs have good tanks and dps, they tend to be slow by comparison. As for flying frigs, the new AFs are great, the dram got nerfed, the DD got buffed to ridiculous levels (via the hybrid buff), and hybrid frigs are good. Null got a range bonus as well and Hail can hit more than the broad side of a barn now. I think you will enjoy flying frigs again. Additionally, changes for T1 frigs might be on the way. So that could be exciting too! Might finally be able to return to my roots as a Caldari pilot and rock with my Hybrids :)
T0RT0ISE KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF 41	Posted - 2012.02.25 10:43:00 - [4] - Quote Hookbills and Hawks are both very good too if you are Caldari oriented.
Barrak Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.02.25 10:51:00 - [5] - Quote T0RT0ISE wrote: Hookbills and Hawks are both very good too if you are Caldari oriented. Sounds like I'm gonna have to EFT warrior it for a few weeks too...... Have the extra slots dramatically changed the balance of AF's now?
T0RT0ISE KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF 41	Posted - 2012.02.25 11:01:00 - [6] - Quote You have to spend quite a bit on a hawk to make real significant use of the extra slot but they are definitely tougher to fight now. Same goes for all AF's. more deeps, more ehp, nos fits in many cases which help fight larger ships. They are still slow though so don't believe they make every other frig obsolete. Check out the destroyers too since they lost their rate of fire penalty. Might be cheap fun for you while you get back into the swing of things.
Barrak Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.02.25 12:16:00 - [7] - Quote T0RT0ISE wrote: Check out the destroyers too since they lost their rate of fire penalty. Might be cheap fun for you while you get back into the swing of things. Completely forgot about those changes........ was never really that into them but they are cheap, which is always nice :)
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 59	Posted - 2012.02.25 16:34:00 - [8] - Quote Barrak wrote: T0RT0ISE wrote: Hookbills and Hawks are both very good too if you are Caldari oriented. Sounds like I'm gonna have to EFT warrior it for a few weeks too...... Have the extra slots dramatically changed the balance of AF's now? If by balance, you mean making the ones that sucked before not suck now? Then YES. Enyo is pretty sick. Retribution got a 2nd mid. Hawk and harpy have awesome mids. Vengeance can tank like a boss. Jag is no longer the WTF pwnmobile that it used to be, but it's in line with the other AF's. Wolf and ishkur are still good. The AF's are a great ship class right now despite a few of them being a little broken (read: Harpy). Destroyers would be a cheap and forgiving way to get back into the swing of things. Coercer still has 1 mid, but any decent coercer pilot will be able to get plenty of kills with it. Cormorant is tough to fit well, but can be pretty sick even. Thrasher and catalyst are pretty OP. Sig tanking is the new black
Zarnak Wulf CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 261	Posted - 2012.02.25 17:24:00 - [9] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Wolf and ishkur are still good. The AF's are a great ship class right now despite a few of them being a little broken (read: Harpy). Better not let Liang here you say that.
T0RT0ISE KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF 42	Posted - 2012.02.25 18:33:00 - [10] - Quote Liang needs to chill. Opinions are like assholes :D
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 59	Posted - 2012.02.25 19:01:00 - [11] - Quote For the record, Liang flew his Blarpy before the buff. He knows it's OP and should not be faulted because he flies a ship that gives him advantages within its class. If more people had the skill sets to fly it and realized how good it was, more people would fly it. Unless it gets nerfed to a point of uselessness, I'm sure he will continue to fly it. To not fly a ship that's broken or OP just because it's broken or OP is to unnecessarily put yourself at a disadvantage in PvP. Remember drams before the nerf? Sig tanking is the new black
T0RT0ISE KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF 42	Posted - 2012.02.25 19:07:00 - [12] - Quote I specifically DIDNT fly it before the buff because I thought it was OP then :P I never fly Rifters either (Taranis / Incursus ftw :D ) But im an idiot. Having said that I have no qualms currently using dessies to combat the prevalence of AFs at this time. I'll go back to something less 'feared' in time although to be honest, Dessies are not being feared by these AF's at the moment... Probably because they are failry evenly matched it seems.
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 24	Posted - 2012.02.25 20:10:00 - [13] - Quote Before you take out your shiny frigate out of the hangar you should consider to inform yourself about the new thread to frigate pilots: the Tier 3 BC, they have incredibly high scan res and can insta-pop you easily from medium to long range. So keep your fingers close to the warp or jump button if one of them appears on Grid.
T0RT0ISE KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF 46	Posted - 2012.02.26 03:35:00 - [14] - Quote Or learn to close range without spamming approach and trow sand at dem batty.
Brotha Umad Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2012.02.27 16:09:00 - [15] - Quote Quote: Or learn to close range without spamming approach and trow sand at dem batty. Disregarding Harpy and neglecting Talos's tracking of doom in the same thread... That's it, I'm opening a cyno for liang to come over and show you the one truth. OP, there might still be a niche market for the Firetail but it did shrink by quite a bit lately. Be sure to check prices and market volume again before buying new BPC's.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 61	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:06:00 - [16] - Quote There is a niche market for the Firetail and if you are in Minnie FW areas, you should be able to make a profit on them. TBH, they are just too easily outclassed by all of the other Navy faction frigs. I fly them for 3 reasons: minmatar spec'd, cheap, and underestimated (people are very willing to fight a Firetail). Sig tanking is the new black
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 569	Posted - 2012.02.27 18:44:00 - [17] - Quote Rifters all the way. Frigate PvP is alive and well in lowsec from what I've seen, but in nullsec it's a bit... um... dead. I left 0.0 because of that. In a gang, T1 frigates are great. T2 frigates are also pretty awesome, and AFs are beautiful now. The faction frigates are pretty cool too. Destroyers are now amazing, so long as you don't take too much fire. For railgun Caldari, look into a Merlin fit with 75mm railguns, rockets, an afterburner, scram, and a MSE/invuln tank with a DCU. It gets AF levels of tank, while doing decent amounts of DPS at 5-6 km, or closer if you load Javelin ammo into your rails (close range rail/beam/arty ammo was buffed and actually works now). You can also look into dual web Cormorant, which is a really inexpensive, underestimated, and quite powerful fit. Unfortunate (or perhaps fortunate) part is it really cannot fit with T2 fittings. Also, one last note: be careful attacking Ahrieman, Liang, or Hahbahdishdoo (or whatever his name is), particularly if it happens to be in Amamake. They are cool people, but very good frigate pilots and have ~~command ship~~ T3 boosts in system. I would not bet on you winning. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 64	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:26:00 - [18] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: They are cool people, but very good frigate pilots and have ~~command ship~~ T3 boosts in system. Very good, LOL! Thank you Petrus. You made my day. On a related note, my plan is going just as planned 1) Fly frigates 2) Convince people I'm "very good" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) 3) ?????? 4) PROFIT Sig tanking is the new black
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 575	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: They are cool people, but very good frigate pilots and have ~~command ship~~ T3 boosts in system. Very good, LOL! Thank you Petrus. You made my day. On a related note, my plan is going just as planned 1) Fly frigates 2) Convince people I'm "very good" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) 3) ?????? 4) PROFIT I know how you feel, people have told me I'm good too, but I know I am utterly terrible and can present evidence to support that. It might be the fate of all those who lose frigate after frigate after frigate. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 64	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:33:00 - [20] - Quote On a related note, I have been flying Rifters a lot more lately since it's way easier to get someone to fight a Rifter than a thrasher, AF, or whatever else. As a result, my K:D ratio has fallen quite a bit when soloing. Petrus, I think most people just mistake having a pair for having talent. Sig tanking is the new black
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 888	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:38:00 - [21] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: Ahrieman wrote: Wolf and ishkur are still good. The AF's are a great ship class right now despite a few of them being a little broken (read: Harpy). Better not let Liang here you say that. Why? The Harpy IS broken (in the oh so yummy OP way). -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 575	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:04:00 - [22] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Petrus, I think most people just mistake having a ~~pair~~T3 booster for having talent. FTFY More seriously, that's fair enough, but flying frigates over and over makes the appearance of talent by giving you stupidly high KB stats (the newbies in my corp have better KB stats than the vets), getting you dumb kills (I killed an Arazu with a Rifter!), and making losses just look like ballsiness. Over time they can actually result in skill as you learn flying tricks and what you can/can't kill. That is true of all ships, but it's easiest to learn with frigates because they're practically free. ... which only results in more of a "badass" reputation. Come to think of it... FRIGATE PVP IS OP, NERF FRIGATE PVP Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 64	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:11:00 - [23] - Quote I would also have to say that the Hawk is broken as well, but once people start whining, they will get nerfed. Considering how lacking Caldari ships are (on the cheap) for good PVP, I figure, I will just let them have their OP ships and enjoy it. Seen a lot more Raptors around since the hybrid buff - that's cool. Sig tanking is the new black
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 575	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:15:00 - [24] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: I would also have to say that the Hawk is broken as well, but once people start whining, they will get nerfed. Considering how lacking Caldari ships are (on the cheap) for good PVP, I figure, I will just let them have their OP ships and enjoy it. Seen a lot more Raptors around since the hybrid buff - that's cool. I solo'd a Slicer with a Raptor! It was great fun. I haven't figured out a broken Hawk fit yet, though, or I might just fly it. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 64	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:21:00 - [25] - Quote I like to roam/solo all over the minnie/amarr FW areas. If you fear the booster, just fight me in any system that doesn't start with Amamake.... Sig tanking is the new black
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 888	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:24:00 - [26] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Ahrieman wrote: I would also have to say that the Hawk is broken as well, but once people start whining, they will get nerfed. Considering how lacking Caldari ships are (on the cheap) for good PVP, I figure, I will just let them have their OP ships and enjoy it. Seen a lot more Raptors around since the hybrid buff - that's cool. I solo'd a Slicer with a Raptor! It was great fun. I haven't figured out a broken Hawk fit yet, though, or I might just fly it. Have you seen Korgtronix' Feeling Alright video? http://youtu.be/-36e6zDd3dU Even beside his shenanigans, the Hawk is great for counter fitting vs anything. Having one and going slicer hunting is very viable. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 575	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: I like to roam/solo all over the minnie/amarr FW areas. If you fear the booster, just fight me in any system that doesn't start with Amamake.... Yeah, I've seen you elsewhere too. I just give Heretics a hard time about using boosts, but in secret I'm training to use them too. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 888	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:28:00 - [28] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Ahrieman wrote: I like to roam/solo all over the minnie/amarr FW areas. If you fear the booster, just fight me in any system that doesn't start with Amamake.... Yeah, I've seen you elsewhere too. I just give Heretics a hard time about using boosts, but in secret I'm training to use them too. Just come fly with me some time and I'll share mine with you. <3 -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1617	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:05:00 - [29] - Quote I've been thinking about trying out Tristans against the current FOTM AF frigs. While I suspect they are just going to die quite horribly I want to test this in-game against the majority of people who are bads :D EDIT: lol i said AF frigs, not editing that fail and outing myself for being dumb I wonder what DPS per second they do. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 577	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:29:00 - [30] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: I've been thinking about trying out Tristans against the current FOTM AF frigs. While I suspect they are just going to die quite horribly I want to test this in-game against the majority of people who are bads :D EDIT: lol i said AF frigs, not editing that fail and outing myself for being dumb I wonder what DPS per second they do. Tristans are pretty badass, and I would venture to say they have the best DPS per second / HP points combination of any T1 frigate. However, they are sluggish, particularly if tanked. Even so, I don't think it would be able to take on the new AFs solo. They just have too much tank, and there aren't any that you have a great change of breaking the tracking of anymore (what with Jag, Wolf, and Retri getting tracking bonuses). However, if you happen to be set up against a combat ceptor like the Crusader or Claw at short range, you just might win! Two Tristans can also probably take down an AF, if you have a friend to fly with. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.

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