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1717
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Posted - 2008.04.01 07:11:00 -
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Want to get into a BS (minmatar) to up my income (this ship will be solely a ratting ship, possibly a mission runner when I get access to level 4's.) I'm currently flying a hurricane so I'm almost there. Aside from the skills needed to load large weapons and actually fly the thing, what skills would you recommend I have under my belt before trying to step into one?
Again this will NOT be a pvp ship. Still too young of a character for that.
Also, should I go for the tempest or maelstrom (heard typhoon really only realizes its potential around 40M sp)? I'm thinking the tempest would be better for pvp for the extra damage while the maelstrom would be ideal for tanking those (possible) level 4's, but I guess either of those could be advantegeous in any situation....
So idk, give me some help 
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Ishina Fel
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.01 07:44:00 -
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You should definitely get a Maelstrom. For that you'll obviously need shield tanking skills (Shield Compensation, Tactical Shield Manipulation, Shield Operation).
I'd also recommend being able to handle 5 drones, as all battleships have a useful drone bay. While you're at it, Drone Interfacing is an awesome skill.
Having Energy Management and Energy Systems Operation high is always useful.
And then of course there's the 'big four' fitting skills: Engineering, Electronics, Weapon Upgrades, Advanced Weapon Upgrades.
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1717
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Posted - 2008.04.01 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: 1717 on 01/04/2008 07:52:56
Thanks for tips. Would AC's or artillery be preferable in ratting/missioning situations? (thinking artillery as the reduced dps wouldn't be much of a problem with this ship and thus would make things go faster not have to fly around in such a big ship.)
edit: btw your sig is awesome
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Nexus Kinnon
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Posted - 2008.04.01 07:58:00 -
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I believe that most people use 1200mms when missioning on a maelstrom for their better tracking/clip size.
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pippan
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Posted - 2008.04.01 08:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
I believe that most people use 1200mms when missioning on a maelstrom for their better tracking/clip size.
lolling at ur avatar 
Anyway.. Yeah 1200's are ftw, tho u might wanna consider fitting a tracking computer with tracking script to hit anything less than a bc.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.04.01 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: 1717
Want to get into a BS (minmatar) to up my income (this ship will be solely a ratting ship, possibly a mission runner when I get access to level 4's.) I'm currently flying a hurricane so I'm almost there. Aside from the skills needed to load large weapons and actually fly the thing, what skills would you recommend I have under my belt before trying to step into one?
Train for a raven. Really. The only extra skills you'll need will be caldari ships, the rest are usable in your minmatar ships.
Originally by: 1717
Again this will NOT be a pvp ship. Still too young of a character for that.
After 3-ish days you are old enough.
Originally by: 1717
Also, should I go for the tempest or maelstrom (heard typhoon really only realizes its potential around 40M sp)?
At 40M it's less crappy. and, yet, is still worse than raven with far less skillpoint.
Originally by: 1717
I'm thinking the tempest would be better for pvp for the extra damage while the maelstrom would be ideal
No, not really. The tempest sucks at the moment. Read the forum, there's plenty of posts about it.
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Talasan
Internet Dads
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Posted - 2008.04.01 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Talasan on 01/04/2008 09:22:39
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Originally by: 1717
Again this will NOT be a pvp ship. Still too young of a character for that.
After 3-ish days you are old enough.
no, just no, edit, i refer to pvp in a bs of course haha
Originally by: 1717
Also, should I go for the tempest or maelstrom (heard typhoon really only realizes its potential around 40M sp)?
At 40M it's less crappy. and, yet, is still worse than raven with far less skillpoint.
properly skilled typhoon rocks mate
Originally by: 1717
I'm thinking the tempest would be better for pvp for the extra damage while the maelstrom would be ideal
No, not really. The tempest sucks at the moment. Read the forum, there's plenty of posts about it.
proof you maybe dont actually pvp? more to the game than reading forums
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1717
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Posted - 2008.04.01 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: 1717 on 01/04/2008 09:36:07
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
After 3-ish days you are old enough.
Guess I didn't clarify. By saying "still too young of a character for that", I meant "my income isn't good enough to support losing BS in pvp."
And I want to focus on minmatar battleships for now, as (at least from what I've read) they seem to be more suited to pvp than caldari bs, so using the best min bs for pve money-making purposes would insure I will still have the ability to pvp in one effectively later.
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Thercon Jair
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Posted - 2008.04.01 11:24:00 -
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Definitely Maelstrom.
My own fitting is:
8 x 1400mm Arties (I'm using prototypes)
100mn AB T2, X-L Shield booster T2, 3 x Hardeners, 1 Shield Boost Amp T2
2 Gyro T2, 1 Tracking Enhancer T2, 2 PDU T2
I know you might lack the grid skills etc. So, 1200mms and 3 PDUs in lows might be a good start to go with. I also think a Boost amp is pretty much mandatory on this ship as it will make good use of the shield boost amount bonus, thus reducing the cap/shield boost ratio.
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Dotard
Eternal Guardians Corp.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.01 11:32:00 -
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Im just under 15m SP and solo lvl 4's in my 'Phoon.
They are NOT crappy ships.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.04.01 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: 1717
And I want to focus on minmatar battleships for now, as (at least from what I've read) they seem to be more suited to pvp than caldari bs, so using the best min bs for pve money-making purposes would insure I will still have the ability to pvp in one effectively later.
I'd suggest reading more because whether its sniping or close caldari can hold their own extremely nicely. Solo? No. But then solo is dead, isn't it.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.04.01 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Talasan
No, not really. The tempest sucks at the moment. Read the forum, there's plenty of posts about it.
proof you maybe dont actually pvp? more to the game than reading forums
I'll say the same to you then because you're reading and posting on the same forum I am.
The general minmatar issues as well as the tempest have been gone over and over in detail and are well established. If the OP wants to he can check them and make up his mind.
BTW, a properly skilled phoon rocks, yes. A properly skilled torp raven will rock too and requires way less skill points. With the added benefit that pve is also in easy mode.
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Rathawk
Sanguine Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.01 22:20:00 -
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If you are strictly ratting, stay with the Hurricane. It rats effectively even down in 0.0 space.
For missions, I prefer the Maelstrom as it does the fastest job of level 4 missions. Make sure you don't neglect drone training to take care of those pesky scramming/webbing drones that you'll find in level 4 missions. I find T2 medium drones work quite well.
For other skills, enough enginnering to make sure you can fit all of your gear and some serious training on your shield skills.
Originally by: 1717
Want to get into a BS (minmatar) to up my income (this ship will be solely a ratting ship, possibly a mission runner when I get access to level 4's.) I'm currently flying a hurricane so I'm almost there. Aside from the skills needed to load large weapons and actually fly the thing, what skills would you recommend I have under my belt before trying to step into one?
Again this will NOT be a pvp ship. Still too young of a character for that.
Also, should I go for the tempest or maelstrom (heard typhoon really only realizes its potential around 40M sp)? I'm thinking the tempest would be better for pvp for the extra damage while the maelstrom would be ideal for tanking those (possible) level 4's, but I guess either of those could be advantegeous in any situation....
So idk, give me some help
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1717
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Posted - 2008.04.01 22:27:00 -
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But.. wouldn't a maelstrom kill rats faster than a hurricane? I'm not sure, just seems like that would be a good way to increase ratting income.
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Ath Amon
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.02 02:57:00 -
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if you are not much in pvp go with the phoon, is a way better mission runner and you dont need tons of skills
to have everything t2 yep you need more sp (even if 40m seem a bit too much) but for some mission running it perform pretty well even with low skills.
what you need to fly the phoon is mission is
- cruise missiles -> better than proj in pve and more dmg than both arties and acs (they dont even require that much sps)
- drones: heavy and mid -> again very good pve weapon (you will need them on all BS anyway as i want to see the mael who try to take frigs and cruisers with 1200mm :P)
- good armor skills -> skill to t2 asap, dont go with double lar, go with single + aux nanopumps, it tanks most l4 mission no prob and save a lot of cap (again good tank is required for all bs so same SP cost)
you can avoid proj, fit 1200mm or 650mm (depending by mission) if you can use them, if not fit some 720mm
as you see the difference in sp vs mael or temp is not that big the real issue is that you are training skills that are support on most minnie ships.
also considering what you are going to train you should consider a raven, expecially if you have alredy solid shield skills... is the best "normal bs" mission runner way way better than a mael or a pest
Originally by: Diana Merris
Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
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Vymorna Grom
Utopian Research I.E.L.
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Posted - 2008.04.02 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Vymorna Grom on 02/04/2008 09:53:58
The top members in my corp swear by the 'Phoon, and these are guys that have been playing since '03 - '04.
They call it "The Moneymaker."
*** Mind you, the Hurricane is a truly awesome ship - very highly regarded. But the 'Phoon offers a bit more flexibility and room to grow. But take your time. Move to a 'Phoon only if and when you have exploited the capabilities of the Hurricane to the fullest. There is way more there than you'd think with the 'Cane. 
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Ahz
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Posted - 2008.04.04 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: 1717
heard typhoon really only realizes its potential around 40M sp...
An exageration.
I started flying the 'phoon in my 3rd month in Eve. I'm still flying it a year later and now, at 20mil skillpoints, I'm getting a lot out of it.
I've got:
- BS 5
- Torps 5 (cruise 4)
- Advanced weapons upgrades 5
- The hull and armor skills for tech II hardners + repper
- Drone intrfacing 5
I can rat in it just fine and could probably solo many level 4 missions.
For the money the 'phoon is a great ship. You can find them as low as 60 mil every now and then.
To really max it out I would get tech II heavy drones and tech II heavy projectile turrents. About a month of training each.
The reason why it's so skill intensive is that it's a split weapons system 3 ways: missiles / guns / drones.
But that's also its strength. By the time you're good at flying the thing you'll be ready to step into a cap ship (either dread or carrier).
Good luck.
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Ichandasil
Department of Defence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.04 12:37:00 -
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I will break the 6 million skill point mark today or tomorrow so I think that my advice will be doable to almost anyone flying Matar.
I was doing level 3 missions in my 'Cane with approximately 3 mil sp's when I joined a corp and moved to 0.0. I began to rat with my 'Cane and found I could take on everything except the big BS's. At that point I began training missile skills and as soon as I could fit torps I bought a 'Phoon and began ratting with it. With my limited skills I could fit 4 siege launchers, 2 AC's and a Nos, all T1 and I was able to kill all rats without having to warp out.
While ratting with my 'Phoon I began to train T2 ac's and last week I fit my 'Cane with T2 ac's, switched to passive shield tanking and am now able to rat with it without issue.
So, successful PvE in a Matar ship can be done relatively easily with very low skill points.
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