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Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.01 16:47:00 - [1] Hello, I have not seen many Vigilant setups. Anyone care to share theirs ? Also, can it be used as a speed setup ? -Thanks
bunnygerbil 27th Legion	Posted - 2008.04.01 17:38:00 - [2] General T2 Fit HIGH: 5 x Heavy Electron Blaster II, T2 or Faction Ammo MIDS: 1 x 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1 x Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 1 x Stasis Webifier II 1 x Warp Disruptor II LOWS: 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 2 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Hammerhead II x5
bunnygerbil 27th Legion	Posted - 2008.04.01 17:40:00 - [3] Edited by: bunnygerbil on 01/04/2008 17:40:42 Also not generally a good idea to speed setup as unless you have small blasters or small rails, your not gonna hit anything smaller than a cruiser with a speed tank going at full speed and orbit i think:)
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.01 17:44:00 - [4] Thanks, what rigs would you use with that setup ?
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:04:00 - [5] Edited by: General Coochie on 01/04/2008 18:04:51 Edited by: General Coochie on 01/04/2008 18:04:10 Originally by: bunnygerbil General T2 Fit HIGH: 5 x Heavy Electron Blaster II, T2 or Faction Ammo MIDS: 1 x 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1 x Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 1 x Stasis Webifier II 1 x Warp Disruptor II LOWS: 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 2 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Hammerhead II x5 Would loose vs my thorax. IMO thorax and vigilant should use ECM drones. All gallente ships have nice structure, a damage control is of very good use. The vigilant also has much more structure then a thorax, meaning it will have even better use of a DCU II. Cruisers are not to be active tanked to be honest. The amount repped during a fight can be expected to a little more then a 400mm plate and a little less then a 800mm plate. Don't really know what to put in the last mid slot there. Id go. 5 electron IIs, faction ammo, null in cargo hold. MWD, scram, web, ? DC II, Magstab * 2, RCU II, 1600mm plate. not so fast, but passive tanks rather well and has nice dps. Swtich a magstab for EANM if youd like. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Helios Hyperion Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:06:00 - [6] coochie ftw
bunnygerbil 27th Legion	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:14:00 - [7] Edited by: bunnygerbil on 01/04/2008 18:16:36 firstly good luck to trying to fit that because i think its going to be a good 40 pg short. Secondly a crow can lock down and kill that setup. With the 1600mm plate your not going to be able to get into decent range as its going to move like a slug. The damage control is a nice idea yeah i'll give ya that. It WILL fit a 800mm plate perfectly well which wont gimp the speed as much, but it depends if you want to actively repair it or just have a large buffer to stop you going pop
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:19:00 - [8] Originally by: bunnygerbil firstly good luck to trying to fit that because i think its going to be a good 400 pg short. Secondly a crow can lock down and kill that setup. With the 1600mm plate your not going to be able to get into decent range as its going to move like a slug. The damage control is a nice idea yeah i'll give ya that. It WILL fit a 800mm plate perfectly well which wont gimp the speed as much, but it depends if you want to actively repair it or just have a large buffer to stop you going pop A crow would lock down a nanod vigilant to be honest. And it fits. I use the exact same fit on my thorax. A problem of bigger concern are ships like a stabber. It could pin you down quite easily and you have a hard time jerking your way out of scram range or inside web range. Thats why you got the ECM drones. Nothing will kill you solo before you get a jam and can warp out. Unless its some T2 ship that can outrun the ECM drones while dpsin you. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dheorl	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:39:00 - [9] Originally by: General Coochie Nothing will kill you solo before you get a jam and can warp out. Unless its some T2 ship that can outrun the ECM drones while dpsin you. So basically what your saying is that a crow could come and kill you solo. Thats the type of qualities I look for in a 100mil ship.
General Coochie	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:48:00 - [10] Edited by: General Coochie on 01/04/2008 18:53:47 Edited by: General Coochie on 01/04/2008 18:52:35 Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: General Coochie Nothing will kill you solo before you get a jam and can warp out. Unless its some T2 ship that can outrun the ECM drones while dpsin you. So basically what your saying is that a crow could come and kill you solo. Thats the type of qualities I look for in a 100mil ship. I never said the vigilant was a good/smart ship to fly when looking at its price tag. I could tell the op "vigilant isn't a solo pwn mobile dont use ever use it". However I think eh knows that and it wouldn't be that helpful would it? I could kill ppl in BC and HACs solo in my celestis before the setup I used was nerfed to hell that didn't stop ppl from flying those ships now did it? You can't say that just because something counters something that its useless. However I agree that its much isk spent for little benefit compared to the thorax, or hell even the deimos. Theres always a counter to any ship no matter isk invested. The setup posted is IMO one of the most versatile you can get from the vigilant. But hey lets modify it, I know what to put in that 4th mid now. A multi spec ECM II. 25% chance to jam a crow. Chances are you get out in about 1 minute. Atleast it can't solo you anymore, however it can tackle you. ECM also adds to your general combat ability. Or get a remote sensor dampener. Put a remote sensor dampener rigg in there and you can damp a sensor boosted crow to 13km. Which is enough. Only really useful against inties though. So mr alt, anything to contribute with or just flaming? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dheorl	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:58:00 - [11] I take it thats a completely unskilled crow your refering to. If not stop pulling numbers out your arse (referring to the dampener number here). If it's just a tackler for a gang then nothing is gona help you really so you may as well just go with a med rep setup so you can beat it 1 on 1 and change the 1600mm plate to a 800mm with maybe a TD in med slots so you can do better against people in ships your own size. Also please never say "but I can kill this using X ship" in your post (I don't care what context just don't do it). I've killed BC's in dessys but that doesn't make it a good kill. It just means that the pilot was a complete nubbin.
Garmon	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:59:00 - [12] Edited by: Garmon on 01/04/2008 18:59:34 Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: General Coochie Nothing will kill you solo before you get a jam and can warp out. Unless its some T2 ship that can outrun the ECM drones while dpsin you. So basically what your saying is that a crow could come and kill you solo. Thats the type of qualities I look for in a 100mil ship. A Crow would also be able to solo a plated rupture, but it's still the most overpowered cruiser ingame, and same with plate neutron megathrons But anyway, Plates > reps, atleast on a cruiser level, but i'd hate to put a RCU II in the low, why not put 2 powergrid rigs or something, so you can use that other low for a EANM II __________________________________ Garmonation - Rupture fun video
Stakhanov	Posted - 2008.04.01 18:59:00 - [13] If you active tank it , try to fit 2 MAR II. If it doesn't fit , use rigs as needed , that's a pimp ship after all. Also can tank sentries until you run out of cap boosters (or get neuted) I don't see the point of using magstabs with an electron setup. More useful with ions or neutrons with ECM drones to mitigate incoming damage. Overload your mods if you are not 100% sure you will win the fight (but repairing your mods takes ages so don't do it in combat) Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu edit: Wow, that was unpleasant, I felt pity for someone. Won't happen again.
General Coochie	Posted - 2008.04.01 19:05:00 - [14] Edited by: General Coochie on 01/04/2008 19:05:45 Edited by: General Coochie on 01/04/2008 19:05:32 Originally by: Dheorl I take it thats a completely unskilled crow your refering to. If not stop pulling numbers out your arse (referring to the dampener number here). If it's just a tackler for a gang then nothing is gona help you really so you may as well just go with a med rep setup so you can beat it 1 on 1 and change the 1600mm plate to a 800mm with maybe a TD in med slots so you can do better against people in ships your own size. Also please never say "but I can kill this using X ship" in your post (I don't care what context just don't do it). I've killed BC's in dessys but that doesn't make it a good kill. It just means that the pilot was a complete nubbin. No the setup I used could kill most HACs and most BCs at the time without sensor boosters, nanod or **** load of drones. Theoreticly , practicly they had no chance what so ever. I think you'd be surprised how effective that ship was. I was way more nub then most of my targets, myself about 6months training time and my opponents -10 outlaws in HACs more then 1 year old. Anyways threads not about that. And yes I kinda did pull the numbers out of my arse, was first time I used EFTs EW thing. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.01 19:45:00 - [15] Originally by: General Coochie No the setup I used could kill most HACs and most BCs at the time without sensor boosters, nanod or **** load of drones. Theoreticly , practicly they had no chance what so ever. I think you'd be surprised how effective that ship was. I was way more nub then most of my targets, myself about 6months training time and my opponents -10 outlaws in HACs more then 1 year old. Anyways threads not about that. I know it was a good ship/setup... I used it, but a decent PvPer (Having -10 doesn't automatically make them good, you can get -10 by shooting at anything that passes by whilst sitting on the gate) in a HAC or BC would have still munched you 1 vs 1. I personally prefer rep setups. I geuss they just suit my play style more but meh. You can go fly a plated one if you want, I'll stick with what I've got.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.01 19:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: General Coochie No the setup I used could kill most HACs and most BCs at the time without sensor boosters, nanod or **** load of drones. Theoreticly , practicly they had no chance what so ever. I think you'd be surprised how effective that ship was. I was way more nub then most of my targets, myself about 6months training time and my opponents -10 outlaws in HACs more then 1 year old. Anyways threads not about that. I know it was a good ship/setup... I used it, but a decent PvPer (Having -10 doesn't automatically make them good, you can get -10 by shooting at anything that passes by whilst sitting on the gate) in a HAC or BC would have still munched you 1 vs 1. I personally prefer rep setups. I geuss they just suit my play style more but meh. You can go fly a plated one if you want, I'll stick with what I've got. Blasphemy! co cap, no drones, no targeting, no speed, not much tehy could do. Yeah personal taste is main thing, I love plates on cruisers as it enables one to gank haulers, afk cruisers outside stations etc. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.01 20:04:00 - [17] Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: General Coochie No the setup I used could kill most HACs and most BCs at the time without sensor boosters, nanod or **** load of drones. Theoreticly , practicly they had no chance what so ever. I think you'd be surprised how effective that ship was. I was way more nub then most of my targets, myself about 6months training time and my opponents -10 outlaws in HACs more then 1 year old. Anyways threads not about that. I know it was a good ship/setup... I used it, but a decent PvPer (Having -10 doesn't automatically make them good, you can get -10 by shooting at anything that passes by whilst sitting on the gate) in a HAC or BC would have still munched you 1 vs 1. I personally prefer rep setups. I geuss they just suit my play style more but meh. You can go fly a plated one if you want, I'll stick with what I've got. Blasphemy! co cap, no drones, no targeting, no speed, not much tehy could do. Yeah personal taste is main thing, I love plates on cruisers as it enables one to gank haulers, afk cruisers outside stations etc. With that setup (if it's the one I think you're referring too) they had to have bad skills otherwise you had the choise of not letting them lock you but them still having speed and cap (resulting in their MWD outlasting yours and you warping away or dieing) or you getting locked and killed. The majority would have cap boosters anyway so could just burn towards you until you ran out of cap or they got in range. You can still gank haulers with an 800mm plate and med rep btw.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.02 08:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: General Coochie No the setup I used could kill most HACs and most BCs at the time without sensor boosters, nanod or **** load of drones. Theoreticly , practicly they had no chance what so ever. I think you'd be surprised how effective that ship was. I was way more nub then most of my targets, myself about 6months training time and my opponents -10 outlaws in HACs more then 1 year old. Anyways threads not about that. I know it was a good ship/setup... I used it, but a decent PvPer (Having -10 doesn't automatically make them good, you can get -10 by shooting at anything that passes by whilst sitting on the gate) in a HAC or BC would have still munched you 1 vs 1. I personally prefer rep setups. I geuss they just suit my play style more but meh. You can go fly a plated one if you want, I'll stick with what I've got. Blasphemy! co cap, no drones, no targeting, no speed, not much tehy could do. Yeah personal taste is main thing, I love plates on cruisers as it enables one to gank haulers, afk cruisers outside stations etc. With that setup (if it's the one I think you're referring too) they had to have bad skills otherwise you had the choise of not letting them lock you but them still having speed and cap (resulting in their MWD outlasting yours and you warping away or dieing) or you getting locked and killed. The majority would have cap boosters anyway so could just burn towards you until you ran out of cap or they got in range. You can still gank haulers with an 800mm plate and med rep btw. 2 nos, 2 misslies launchers, 2 damps, web, scram, mwd whatever in lows, small buffer tank. damps effectively damped anything cruiser sized (not recons) and BCs without sensor boosters under 10km (a fully skilled ferox/drake, BC with longest locking range, would get damped to 8.5km). web, nos, dps, nothing much they could do really. Before the nos nerf it could break pretty much any tank just given the time. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dheorl	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:59:00 - [19] If they have a cap booster and half a brain it will takes you absolutly donkeys years to kill them in which time you would probably be out of cap and they can just burn towards you. I'm sorry but like I said before, saying you can kill X ship with X ship means **** all considering how stupid some players are in this game.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.02 14:28:00 - [20] Edited by: General Coochie on 02/04/2008 14:32:50 Originally by: Dheorl If they have a cap booster and half a brain it will takes you absolutly donkeys years to kill them in which time you would probably be out of cap and they can just burn towards you. I'm sorry but like I said before, saying you can kill X ship with X ship means ** all considering how stupid some players are in this game. No web, disruptor and damps could be perma runned even without nos (cap relay in low I forgot). Nos is there only to slowly kill cap of anything without a cap booster. MWD never needs to be activated except for getting out if ** hit the fan and to tackle. Not to mention what bad situation a ship like the zealot was in facing such a celestis. Yeah it took time killing cap boosted ships, just as it would take time for a crow to kill a plated thorax but its doable. If its a 1v1 the celestis would always win, if opposing ship didn't have sensor booster, or heavy drones as the myrm. You can argue that anyone with half a brain would kill it. Fact is I dont think I even ever lost my celestis 1v1 to a BC without sensor booster, I ransomed many, and I ransomed and killed HACs to in it. The chance of them all having no clue is pretty slim. And even before I started using this ship the first time I knew it would be able to handle most cruisers and BCs with ease due to the lack of sensor boosters, BC slow speed, and their relatievly small drone bays. Its was a very very effective counter in practice not only in theory. You underestimate the ships old abilities and you obviously never flown in like that. Anyway back to the point. Just because there is a counter to something doesn't mean its bad to use it. However when its easily countered even though lot of money been spend on it then maybe its not such a wise decision. Which I say is the case with the vigilant. However its better then the thorax and I provided the setup I think is one of the better ones. No setup on the vigilant counters inties and most inties are tacklers for gangs anyway. If your cought by one and cant make it to a gate or station you are probably dead yes. With the setup I posted, stay away form inties, stick to solo fights so you can get out with your ECM should anything start going wrong. ts still not easy to get out as you need a cycle at the right time. Yes a vagabond probably is a better investment, but personal preference and fun makes us fly ships to The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dheorl	Posted - 2008.04.02 16:28:00 - [21] Originally by: General Coochie Its was a very very effective counter in practice not only in theory. You underestimate the ships old abilities and you obviously never flown in like that. I actually flew pretty much that exact setup, know it's ability's (having killed a few people in my time with it... including sensor boosted BS (me and a mate both in celestis diving in and out of lock range to keep a point on at all times)) and also know it's weaknesses because I've killed a few with very similar setups. Originally by: General Coochie However its better then the thorax and I provided the setup I think is one of the better ones. The only reason that IMO it's any better than the rax is the extra med (in terms of it costing 90mil more, the extra hp is obviously nice). For general PvP I'd fit a cap booster in there in which case I'd also fit an active tank (seems like a bit of a waste otherwise), hence I suggested an active tank setup. I'm sure in general solo PvP they would both work pretty much as well as each other, I just prefer mine because it means I can't be killed solo by noobs in inty's.

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