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alster
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:01:00 -
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not sure if that is the place to ask that.
hi, am trying to build a small app that look at the local Chanel and search for changes.
i do that so i can go afk sometimes while mining and playing alert when something change in the local.
however it seems that once in a few seconds the panels been removed from the "camera" and all i can capture is the windowless view.
so that alert thing cannot be done
wonder if that is in porpuse? if so i belive it is agains auto mining bots, fair enough... but what am looking for is the thumbinals of the pepoles in the local not any text.
if you plan to stay in that way, then i woulld like to ask a feture request or local change alert or somthing.
thanks.
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Conq Er
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:25:00 -
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Read EULA carefully before you post about using this sort of app in an open forum  . The feature you requested would result in low-risk hi-gain situation which CCP hates dearly.
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Spoon Thumb
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:48:00 -
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Have you tried using the log program? That generates a log every time a packet is sent to / from server.
I think in theory you can use this or some sort of other tool placed between Eve and the OS to capture packets and if you can decode them, then your program can automatically parse them and decide which ones are telling you someone has entered local.
Combine this with an independant (non-eve) standings database (or even one built partly using the IGB) and you can make a buzzer go "ding" every time someone red comes into local or something.
Make a server and client and you can put an alt in key systems with said client, that tells server when reds enter local. Can produce a real time tracker of all the reds in systems where you have eyes, with alts just sitting afk with cloak.
It is the perfect meta-gaming solution to intel, but lord knows I cba to even start trying something that major
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alster
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Posted - 2008.04.01 18:52:00 -
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oopsy guess i should have read the EULA 
Spoon Thumb,
your ideas are amazing, and describe a mush more logical way of how to do things
almost sure ill try to implement some of this, but surely not all of it as this is really complex
many thanks for the tips guys.
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2008.04.01 22:39:00 -
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Hi alster
Creating cheat programs of this kind is a EULA violation and a serious one at that. Rest assured that if you do create this macro, we will catch you.
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alster
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.02 06:13:00 -
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 Originally by: GM Nova
Hi alster
Creating cheat programs of this kind is a EULA violation and a serious one at that. Rest assured that if you do create this macro, we will catch you.
cheat? uhu am just wonder why. anyway, i have no intentions to violate the EULA in any sort of way, and therefore i will stop anything that relate to that.
peace
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Mianda Chica
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.02 07:05:00 -
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I am wondering, purely out of curiousity, what part of the eula applies here?
(or actually why the eula can decide what is run on a computer)
A program Alster mentions wouldn't change anything in the client, would not intercept any network communication and would not automate anything?
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Jakus Cemendur
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Posted - 2008.04.02 07:26:00 -
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Quote:
A program Alster mentions wouldn't change anything in the client, would not intercept any network communication and would not automate anything?
From the first post:
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i do that so i can go afk sometimes while mining and playing alert when something change in the local.
It's effectively an alert for every time local changes. As there is no functionality like that in the client, I'm pretty sure it would be classed as a macro/bot.
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.04.02 12:04:00 -
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@alster
PLAY the game, if it is too HARD for YOU go and play WoW!
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Eleana Tomelac
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Posted - 2008.04.02 13:01:00 -
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I'm quite happy to learn that CCP did some screen reading protection to the client!
As Gordon says, play the game. You are automating something by playing alerts, it's something you should do yourself.
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.02 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
I'm quite happy to learn that CCP did some screen reading protection to the client!
Same here. :)
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Auroraman
Dark Skullz Empire
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.02 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Auroraman on 02/04/2008 13:55:10
So why dont we ban the eve-mon makers or quick fit ppls??? cant u pull it outta some random section of the EULA that not logging in to know that ur skills done is a
EULA violation?? its same thing really IMO
P.S. i think the local warnings are something thats been in debate for years but since it would actually be a useful thing to turn on from time to time unlike overview boxes that pop up at random places all over the screen ( pls fix that already?!?!?! ) I wouldnt plan on seeing it
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Eleana Tomelac
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Posted - 2008.04.02 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Auroraman
So why dont we ban the eve-mon makers or quick fit ppls??? cant u pull it outta some random section of the EULA that not logging in to know that ur skills done is a
EULA violation?? its same thing really IMO
I've just thought of all rude words I could use and dismissed them.
-Evemon is not changing your skills instead of you, it's showing a summary and simulates what you could do.
-EFT & QuickFit are not flying your ship instead of you, they are not shopping to get the fit instead of you, they are not even telling you what to fit. They just run calculations.
What they are doing is gathering API data that is DELAYED (first important thing, there is no realtime, so in no way they could play instead of you) and simulating what you could do (in terms of fitting or skills or both).
They are not actively looking into the client, they use the API and database exports given by CCP so the community can mak such tools.
Just remember a simple thing : the client is sacred, it should not be looked into, interracted, modified or such by programs. The only things that must interract with the client is yourself with your keyboard and mouse (and more peripherals if it ever happens). This is because CCP doesn't want any kind of automated gameplay, they want people to play the game.
So, please make the difference, in my point of view, the difference is huge.
If you still can't see what is wrong with the screen reader looking at local and yelling when people enter it, we can try to explain more.
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Batolemaeus
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Posted - 2008.04.02 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Auroraman
Edited by: Auroraman on 02/04/2008 13:55:10
So why dont we ban the eve-mon makers or quick fit ppls??? cant u pull it outta some random section of the EULA that not logging in to know that ur skills done is a
EULA violation?? its same thing really IMO
Let me quote:
Originally by: EULA 7.A.1
You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
The important thing is: "within the Game environment"
So much for the Local-thingy.
And, also:
Originally by: EULA 7.A.3
*snip*
You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
EveMon and Qfit, Eft etc. pp. are not modifying eve, are not enhancing the ui, are not logging into eve to train a skill for you (as that would be a violation of the eula).
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Khanto Thor
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Posted - 2008.04.02 15:18:00 -
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to sum up: 'EVE is not a friendly place for AFK players'
no one should get an advantage by using utilities that enable them to play AFK.
perhaps EVE should play the sound of a big cheer after your ship has been blown up!, when there has been no mouse/keyboard inputs for a period of time! that should alert you!
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alster
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Posted - 2008.04.02 18:40:00 -
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how come this tool "enable" me or any other person to go afk?
it just spouse to advise you about changes in the local, that's all.
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one thing is sure, and that is am not going to work on such thing due to the EULA.
Originally by: Khanto Thor
no one should get an advantage by using utilities that enable them to play AFK.
??? what is your problem with peoples who mining and need to do something else for a few moments? such as opening the door, taking care of the baby and so on....
it is waste of time warping your ship out of the belt just because you need need to do some quick thing.... but maybe you don't have such things to do?
that tool was intend to just warn you about potential threats, it is just an advisory tool, nothing more. such tools exists in the most modern aircraft, for example: RWR and TCAS are far more advance then what eve offer for its pilots in their "high tech" ships.
and no am not saying that eve isn't good enough, am just saying that adding such features are not bad idea at all....
after all am sure that you will use them if they will ever be included in the client.
Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
As Gordon says, play the game. You are automating something by playing alerts, it's something you should do yourself.
i believe that you also turned off all the options on the overview that shows when someone lock on you or even engage??? do me a favor.
Originally by: Gordon Red
@alster
PLAY the game, if it is too HARD for YOU go and play WoW!
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both Evemon and QuickFit are really good tools, and they nothing like the tool that suggested in that topic. however am sure that if ccp were banning them (and thanks they didn't) you would be the first to post how bad for eve tools they are..
that's it, am not going to work on anything but just hope that one day such thing will be integrated in eve.
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Cori4n
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.02 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cori4n on 02/04/2008 22:25:04
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Ki Anna
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.02 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Anna on 02/04/2008 22:41:29
Originally by: Cori4n
Edited by: Cori4n on 02/04/2008 22:25:04
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Interesting 
Depending on the implimentation I wonder which applies: the GM post eariler in this thread or this post from the Tech Lab?
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Avon
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.03 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Anna
Interesting
Depending on the implimentation I wonder which applies: the GM post eariler in this thread or this post from the Tech Lab?
The standing exporter isn't a game aid, it is a data extraction tool.
The golden rule is that unless CCP say it is okay, it isn't.
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Mysdora
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.04.03 07:02:00 -
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Reading files that EVE client and/or logserver dumps to your HD = good.
Hooking into EVE client and/or logserver and reading data from there = bad.
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