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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.16 22:39:00 -
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Over the last few weeks, we have seen massive troop movement of CELES into our space and usually up to our station at D7-ZAC. This usually happens Friday/Saturday afternoon to US players, which is prime-time for Europeans.
While the tiresome excuse of "you are pirates and will be dealt with as such" has more than worn away, we usually welcome the force as it gives us a break from the all-to-familiar station environment.
The CELES force is always met with drastically fewer numbers, and vastly less experience as we usually have to call upon CA miners that use our space to strap on some sort of weaponry.
As I write this, there are 14 in my gang and 28 in local. Of the 14 in our gang, there are only 10 that are battle-ready and sitting at the gate into H-W9
I would like to ask what the intentions of CELES are, as they seem to have some sort of goal or plan since this invasion seems to be a regular occurance.
From one PvP corp to another, is sitting at a safe spot after your strike force was met with the resistance equal to half of your force what you pay $13/month for?
And by the way, you are not the only corp that uses this strategy. The past few weeks have seen invasions by RKK, CoRM, and REVOL forces; all with the same outcome -- we meet the resistance with either a lesser or equal force and they run to a safe spot to sit for hours upon hours.
The one difference is that RKK have actually grown bored of this "strategy" and have begun asking for 1v1s.
I seriously wonder about the fate of EVE, more specifically PvP, since it is apparent that most of the self-proclaimed "pvp master corps" will not fight until the numbers are securely in their favor.
This will be posted in local, as this standoff is insanely boring, and I hope that this will only be seen as a plea for Darth Solo to give the word to LEAVE THE SAFE SPOT.
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.16 22:52:00 -
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oh, it just occured to me that it would only be gentlemanly of me to inform you that you do not have to be logged in to train a skill in EvE.
Hope this serves as a helpful bit of information, CELES
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.16 23:09:00 -
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Update:
CELES has called in backup! A force of 13+ ships has moved from ROIR past UMI and is curruntly inbound to our location...
Is this the future of PvP?
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.16 23:45:00 -
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um I know you guys declared you weren't pirates anymore but If Celest says you are its kind of hard to believe that one of the most well known anti-pirate corp isn't right.
suppose the EVE community will just have to watch and see, but didn't Forsaken Empire start a huge push to destroy FA under the banner of piracy?
Also Having Madame Jade Constantine as an antagonist doesn't help your reputation much either since she is very well respected.
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PerrinAybarra
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Posted - 2004.04.16 23:52:00 -
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congrats again to RKK for jumping in to the fight.While celest didn't show until it was over.Enjoy the moment.
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Lefevre
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Posted - 2004.04.16 23:54:00 -
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Thanks for the fight RKK and Celes was fun 
I hope we can have a rematch soon.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.17 00:07:00 -
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Mitch cmon who u gonna beleive me or celestial apoc they are only killing us because fade is now on their side so its easy to see that they are taking out their enemies beside we faught them in fade its really a legit war not an anti piracy campeigne besides all we wanna do now is MINE.
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Celestial Voice
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Posted - 2004.04.17 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Celestial Voice on 17/04/2004 00:15:02
CELES sent in an inital vanguard of a 7 BS and 2 cruisers in vale /tribute , which got out flanked by F-E force coming from behind, we were out numbered in local 2-1 with 11 bs to our 7, we had no idea who was miners and who were pvpers to be honest, we would have definitley fought there and then an even fight, RKK and DSIN and allies where coming anyway.
We did get a cheap kill on a curse megathron but we missed most of the F-E fight, was a bit of a poor evening for us. Rumours of the F-E all playing L2 are somewhat exagerated or we woulda brought a few more ships to make it even. All in all despite a few kills and taking of F-E stations was a bit of a disappointing night, hope to get a better fight another night, away from the miners. Wish id seen your blob coming behind us sooner or we woulda made a stand before we reached the mining station ah well.
But we dont make posts about our enemies being cowards, if they dont fight 2 v1 odds, so at least grant us the same courtesy.And to stardog and the other F-E smak talkers in local, you only get 1 reward for this and that is getting fleet targeted first.
Celes Kill Board
"Celestial Apocalypse, death from above"
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.17 00:14:00 -
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Mitch cmon who u gonna beleive me or celestial apoc they are only killing us because fade is now on their side so its easy to see that they are taking out their enemies beside we faught them in fade its really a legit war not an anti piracy campeigne besides all we wanna do now is MINE.
hey robo...wow didn't know you joind them...hmmm *begins to possibly reconsider, maybe* I know Robo isn't a pirate...
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.17 00:26:00 -
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yeah when shamis left for s******dly I went with FE. as to date im the only EX-foundation FE but hey zippy is in crice so hes th closest :)
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Celestial Voice
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Posted - 2004.04.17 00:47:00 -
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As for the reason for us attacking F-E ,they are part of the curse alliance which we are at war with. F-E have always been enemies of celest, from their pirating days and PA war days, can't see it ever changing.
It is clear that F-E have put their pirating days behind them and have tried to build their own mining empire in Vale and tribute and have probably been successful with the varied corps that currently live there, with their success , this has probably resulted in boredown hence quite a few F-E leaving until shiva comes.
It is my own personal feeling that joining the CA was the begining of the end for F-E, simply for a large PVP orientated force u didnt have enough enemies to fight. Attacking in eve is alway more fun than defending.
Anyway hope to give u a good fight soon and keep ya all from L2
Celes Kill Board
"Celestial Apocalypse, death from above"
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Frakir
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Posted - 2004.04.17 01:14:00 -
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"The past few weeks have seen invasions by RKK, CoRM, and REVOL forces; all with the same outcome -- we meet the resistance with either a lesser or equal force and they run to a safe spot to sit for hours upon hours."
You speak of CoRM. From my knowledge any invasion consited of max 2 BS 2 Cruisers and 2 Frigates, with all but the BS pilots being new players. But I will let Kaiser respond on this since I was there once,, and I was in a vigil.
If they logged, it was probably because the odds were against them, meaning they were outnumbered.
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alpha seno
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Posted - 2004.04.17 01:26:00 -
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fe who?
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2004.04.17 01:37:00 -
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And to stardog and the other F-E smak talkers in local, you only get 1 reward for this and that is getting fleet targeted first.
I hardly think a joking remark feigning ignorance of who celestial apocalypse are counts as smak talk. Unless you have a really fragile ego...
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.04.17 03:32:00 -
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Bugger I was out getting plastered and seem to have missed some fun.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.17 05:29:00 -
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yeah when shamis left for s******dly I went with FE. as to date im the only EX-foundation FE but hey zippy is in crice so hes th closest :)
zippy's in Crice? no way lol thats funny :D
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Kaiser
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Posted - 2004.04.17 06:17:00 -
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And by the way, you are not the only corp that uses this strategy. The past few weeks have seen invasions by RKK, CoRM, and REVOL forces; all with the same outcome -- we meet the resistance with either a lesser or equal force and they run to a safe spot to sit for hours upon hours.
I seriously wonder about the fate of EVE, more specifically PvP, since it is apparent that most of the self-proclaimed "pvp master corps" will not fight until the numbers are securely in their favor.
I can answer for CoRM, since i was on most of our fights. CoRM sent to FE regions a small force of around 10 pilots in total, with 5 BS some cruisers and some frigs. This was mainly to fight a little, and learn guerrilla tactic )we were in FA so only fighted blob wars before) and to let our noobs start to learn of pvp.
We didn't come there to invade, or to smacktalk or anything. we just came to let our new players learn pvp and some old ones the guerrilla tactic.
Said this, what you sy about odds are untrue. you have a biased opinion. I personally saw FE pilots escape when in equal number as well. we always engaged when we had equal number IF I WASN'T SEEING 6 PILOTS BLOB GETTING closer.
Cause several times, FE uses the tactic to engage with a small force with lot of ships in 2 systems out and with instant BM. since we had 2 fights where this happened, we started to be more cautious. and that's all.
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EternalDark
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Posted - 2004.04.17 06:20:00 -
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Celestial Apoc is a PvP corp, as such they kill people.
Killing people, in any respect, and then there after,
looting cargo/corpses, makes you A? Pirate.
It is inevitable that any corp that seeks combat will become pirates in some respect.
Therefore Celestial Apoc is a pirate corp, a PvP corp, and I find it ammusing that people read, and believe the propoganda, its a great role playing angle no doubt. Just dont find yourself at a gate they are camping.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.17 06:32:00 -
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yeah when shamis left for s******dly I went with FE. as to date im the only EX-foundation FE but hey zippy is in crice so hes th closest :)
zippy's in Crice? no way lol thats funny :D
yup was gonna mine with him in curse but my comp crashed... the stupid peice of **** 
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2004.04.17 07:36:00 -
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Pirating is killing every thing that comes ur way or demand a toll. We at CELES do not ask for toll and do NOT kill everything that comes our way. Only the peeps we are at war with.
We are at war with the CA. U can say that its only a reason for PvP, but thats not true. For many of us its become personally. Reason: Smack talking kids
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only we are Righteous.
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Miss Take
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Posted - 2004.04.17 09:03:00 -
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And by the way, you are not the only corp that uses this strategy. The past few weeks have seen invasions by RKK, CoRM, and REVOL forces; all with the same outcome -- we meet the resistance with either a lesser or equal force and they run to a safe spot to sit for hours upon hours.
I seriously wonder about the fate of EVE, more specifically PvP, since it is apparent that most of the self-proclaimed "pvp master corps" will not fight until the numbers are securely in their favor.
I can answer for CoRM, since i was on most of our fights. CoRM sent to FE regions a small force of around 10 pilots in total, with 5 BS some cruisers and some frigs. This was mainly to fight a little, and learn guerrilla tactic )we were in FA so only fighted blob wars before) and to let our noobs start to learn of pvp.
We didn't come there to invade, or to smacktalk or anything. we just came to let our new players learn pvp and some old ones the guerrilla tactic.
Said this, what you sy about odds are untrue. you have a biased opinion. I personally saw FE pilots escape when in equal number as well. we always engaged when we had equal number IF I WASN'T SEEING 6 PILOTS BLOB GETTING closer.
Cause several times, FE uses the tactic to engage with a small force with lot of ships in 2 systems out and with instant BM. since we had 2 fights where this happened, we started to be more cautious. and that's all.
Kaiser, is this a new policy for you? fighting on equal terms?
As a while ago Hupa and myself invited you to a fair 2 on 2 and you would not.
For my honour in fighting such a fight with my word, ask RKK.
Lets do it sometime soon!
As to the guys who were fighting last night, how i hate having to work nights sometimes
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2004.04.17 10:50:00 -
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go apoc go :)
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Apostle
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Posted - 2004.04.17 11:26:00 -
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F-E should not post topics like this one, since from what I have seen from both fighting with them and then later fighting against them, they dont fight until the numbers are in their favor when fighting other PVP'rs.
It is a real shame to see people forget what they did in their past and then act all big and mighty when others do the same against them.
When you feel like trying to make others look bad while trying to make you look good then remember that there are people who know how you really are.
Need example, here it is.
The war in Fountain, sitting at safespots until you outnumber your enemy in local, never leaving the safespot until you had at least 3 ships for every 2 they had.
Fighting against m0o/evol, never be in space anywhere except safespot until you had at least 2 pilots for every 1 they had, F-E sat at safespots or in stations with scouts until enough people were on teamspeak and then did a mass log on.
Dont act brave when you clearly are not.
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Talon Creed
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Posted - 2004.04.17 11:31:00 -
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Nice Post
Quote of the month "We have Even Numbers"
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Lefevre
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Posted - 2004.04.17 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lefevre on 17/04/2004 12:52:15
Edited by: Lefevre on 17/04/2004 12:49:22
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F-E should not post topics like this one, since from what I have seen from both fighting with them and then later fighting against them, they dont fight until the numbers are in their favor when fighting other PVP'rs.
It is a real shame to see people forget what they did in their past and then act all big and mighty when others do the same against them.
When you feel like trying to make others look bad while trying to make you look good then remember that there are people who know how you really are.
Need example, here it is.
The war in Fountain, sitting at safespots until you outnumber your enemy in local, never leaving the safespot until you had at least 3 ships for every 2 they had.
Fighting against m0o/evol, never be in space anywhere except safespot until you had at least 2 pilots for every 1 they had, F-E sat at safespots or in stations with scouts until enough people were on teamspeak and then did a mass log on.
Dont act brave when you clearly are not.
The battle we fought last night was 30 Celes/Rkk against the 10 of us. We had 9 battleships and one cruiser.
And about the war in fountain you are partly wrong. I was in several fights where we had a group of 5 trying to beat 15 so you memory of us onlysitting at safespots when we were outnumbered back then is very wrong.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 17/04/2004 14:33:36
I don't think anyone who has fought the F-E for any length of time can call them safespot cowards.
Last night wasn't planned for us to meet up with celest nor was it a call from them for help. RKK was simply desending on the area along with our friends from Fade Union and Jericho Fraction. We found out that Celest were doing the same as we were mounting up.
I apologise if we took too many forces for a fair fight, but our aim was to take over the stations and it's kinda necessary to have a few troops around because otherwise we would have been there shooting the stations until xmas.
F-E are and always will be one of the best and most respected pvp corps that I have fought against.
Fighting against them, SPVD and Joker Corp has taught RKK a lot about PVP and we now utilise many of their tactics they have pulled in battle against us. Practically ALL our fleet battle experience and tactics comes from fighting F-E.
Marichek: I understand that you are bored with either safe spotting or uber ganking squads, but that's simply the way eve is. Unless something is done about legitimising 2 vs 2 matches etc then one side will always have the advantage unfortunately. I personally don't actually like 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 because I do not suit those types of battle (i.e. I'm crap at them... just ask any RKK member, I've never won a 1 vs 1 with any of them yet )
I don't blame Celest for moving to safe space as they had no idea of the actual forces amassed against them and have spent the last two months being outblobbed by CA. In the same circumstances, you know RKK would pull back and do the same unfortunately, by the time they had figured out the forces against them, I had informed them we were coming and asked them to hold off for us.
Due to other factors in the eve universe at that time (we were catching and killing elsewhere) it took us longer than it should have to holster up. So Celest sat patiently and awaiting our arrival.
When we did arrive, we attacked as quickly as possible before any potential reinforcements arrived for yourselves.
It was fun and F-E have proved themselves time and time again to be up for any fight apart from the worst of odds.
The funny thing is Celestial are just like F-E. Up for a fight anywhere at any time providing it is half-decent odds. They are currently holding their own against a whole alliance. Yes, they get outblobbed and yes they take losses now and again. But they also have a very good kill ratio, regardless of what you hear from the smaktalkers. I know Solo upset some others when he said this recently in the Celestial Apoc movie thread, but it is fact so why hide the fact you have a good ratio?
Obviously I am not neutral in this but I have always tried to be as honest as possible when it comes to PVP in the game.
I just hope that the next time that anyone is calling someone a coward in game that you stop to think about the other possibilities for the non-engagement.
dbp
(Sorry, that turned into a bit of a long post)
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Kaiser
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:43:00 -
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Kaiser, is this a new policy for you? fighting on equal terms?
As a while ago Hupa and myself invited you to a fair 2 on 2 and you would not.
For my honour in fighting such a fight with my word, ask RKK.
Lets do it sometime soon!
As to the guys who were fighting last night, how i hate having to work nights sometimes
Yes i remember that. But you seem to forget that you had other 4 FE guys just in next system. and sorry, i don't trust people i don't know.
I would like to know what corp would fight "on equal odds" in the system, when the enemy have other 5 pilots just at next system and on alert.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 17/04/2004 15:12:43
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I would like to know what corp would fight "on equal odds" in the system, when the enemy have other 5 pilots just at next system and on alert.
F-E and RKK have fought each other "on equal odds" when there were other pilots in the system. Last weekend, a 2 vs 2 was requested and a 1 vs 1 was requested. Both of which were fought fairly without interference from other players.
We did lose both of them though 
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Blockoindi
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Posted - 2004.04.17 15:03:00 -
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I would like to know what corp would fight "on equal odds" in the system, when the enemy have other 5 pilots just at next system and on alert.
F-E are RKK have fought each other "on equal odds" when there were other pilots in the system. Last weekend, a 2 vs 2 was requested and a 1 vs 1 was requested. Both of which were fought fairly without interference from other players.
We did lose both of them though
dbp
Miss Take did me proud 
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Marichek on 17/04/2004 18:17:40
It amazes me how much respect has been given between RKK and FE in the past few weeks! GROUP HUG!!!
I think the major problem that we have with CELES can be narrowed down to one word: respect
The simple fact is that no matter what possibilities are out there in the vast universe of eve, CELES will go run to a safe spot before your force even arrives. They blame this on a number of things, and i'm sure some of them are actually good reasons, but the fact remains that they have proven themselves to be nothing but cowards time and time again as far as FE is concerned.
This is what puts other great PvP corps in a totally different category than CELES. We will, and have many times, fought battles that strategy said we could not win. Why is this? Because we are courageous pilots that believe in our leadership.
Something you said struck me as very ironic: you said that CELES is holding its own against an entire alliace. By this I'm sure that you mean all of the southern forces of CA, not solely FE. This struck a chord with me because I would think that a coorporation that can fight an entire alliace and have a good ratio would be confident enough to fight a group of 12 pilots (8 BS, 3 cr, 1 fr).
A great example of this is the fact that no one from CELES will reply to this thread. Instead they use their equivalent of an alt that represents the corp as a whole? That is ridiculous. Post here and explain your actions!!!
Anyway, thank you, DB for your views and your opinions. I appreciate what you are trying to do for both sides, but I'm afraid that there will always be two different categories in EvE: the courageous and the cowardly.
for instance
EDIT: forgot to put the link - look closely at how outnumbered we are and that we still fought - also look at the pilots i had with me, no offense, but not the ideal force.
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
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