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Gaius Kador	Posted - 2008.04.03 11:30:00 - [31] On a matter of such importance, no member of the lesser races may have a say at all. ---------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kade Jeekin	Posted - 2008.04.03 15:43:00 - [32] It is good to see that there is some sanity amongst the insanity, from unexpected quarters too. Perhaps there is a future for the Amarrians after all. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Avel Kereka	Posted - 2008.04.03 16:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Tablaren Lord Gaius I'd kindly ask you not to speak in such a manner to a lady of her standing, lady Kador is not some some wretch to be insulted and I believe that to have been in bad taste. As my wife is too furious to speak I am writing our stance. Unfortunately, by marrying an outsider she forfeited most of the standing she may have had. "Amarrian" isn't just a philosophy. I can't help but wonder, if an Emperor started doing something like this would there be such outrage, or would it be brushed off as "God's will"? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Lordus Mark	Posted - 2008.04.03 16:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Gaius Kador On a matter of such importance, no member of the lesser races may have a say at all. Seconded interely. Stay away from what is not your businesses. ******************************** RDK Trusting Holders** Need a job done? Quietly? Have a word with us.
Shiaari	Posted - 2008.04.03 22:39:00 - [35] There was once a time when the Empire itself was governed by the Theology Council, and we learned well the chaos of unchecked oligarchy and God saw fit to bless us with an Emperor to bring the will of God into the sharpest of focus. But even the divinely inspired power of the Emperor pales in comparison to the wisdom of God Himself, and while God is eternal, unwaivering, and sovereign we His children are not. Without the mandate of Heaven the Emperor Himself is but a commoner, but who are we to claim the mandate of Heaven? Can such a bloody and violent affair of a Succession Trial not also be accomplished by humble prayer and meditation? When in doubt, consult God, for in His wisdom God has revealed new ways to accomplish the Reclaiming, a way the Blessed Heideran VII understood well. Not everyone was blessed with Heideran's divinely inspired vision, and upon concluding the latest Succession Trial we could only hope Emperor Doriam II would heed God's divine call for peace. But Doriam was never given the opportunity to consult and seek out the will of God, for a mortal would intervene and cut him down in the name of evil. Yes, fellow Amarrians mortals are evil. Only by seeking the will of God do we become His chosen, for that is what differentiates us from the heathen: we seek God. But some of us seek God more, and others less. Some of us are blessed with insight into the purpose of the Emperor's Holy Call, and others are not. Make no mistake, men do interfere in the will of God, but it is God who turns the evil of men into the blessings of Heaven. Look around and see where the pieces have fallen. Our Emperor is dead, having been prematurely called back to Heaven in the wake of His murder. The Theology Council is now also bereft of its God given purpose of interpreting the Holy Scriptures, that right has been claimed by a single man. Dochuta Karsoth has claimed sovereignty over the Law without the mandate of Heaven, and taken it away from the Council of faithful and learned men of God. Without God's divine mandate Karsoth claims to see beyond the Theology Council. I implore you all to see the fallacy of his reason, and the purpose for which he has been blinded by it: To claim the throne for himself. No one denies the power of our Heirs, and the extent to which their power goes, but one must beg the question: would you blindly sacrifice yourself for a Succession Trial knowing powers exist to rob you of it? Or would you consult God? Would you pray? Would you not go to a Holy Cathedral and seek the will of God, and consult the Church? The Chamberlain is a steward of the Throne, he is not the Emperor. He is not gifted with any mandate to execute the will of God. No, that right belongs solely to the Emperor and none other. But the right to interpret scripture, the divine mandate to interpret the Divine Law is given to none other than the Theology Council, and if anyone we should seek their wisdom, and pray.
Kade Jeekin	Posted - 2008.04.03 23:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 03/04/2008 23:04:26 Of course the heirs may be scared of entering a house in which a hidden murderer still resides. Go through the trials only to be knocked off when you're asleep - nasty! --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Avaricious Zee Wolf Stone	Posted - 2008.04.04 00:00:00 - [37] There is much confusion in the Empire as of late. I pray to God nightly that a strong Emperor may come to power and direct us all along the righteous path. I fear we are all lost until that time. Non fui, fui, non sum, non desidero
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.14 23:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Tablaren Lord Gaius I'd kindly ask you not to speak in such a manner to a lady of her standing, lady Kador is not some some wretch to be insulted and I believe that to have been in bad taste. I was right as I always am. How will you atone for your sins, Tablaren. ----------------------------------------------
Lyra Garris Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 00:01:00 - [39] All this discussion gives me a headache so I'm only going to contribute one thing. God does not lose control of any situation, regardless of how many paranoid GalNet users hint that things are getting out of His command. His Divine Will shall be done, and mere mortals such as us cannot read the mind of God to know what He is planning or how He wishes to carry it out. Have faith and He will reveal His plans when He feels it is appropriate to do so.
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 03:35:00 - [40] NEWSFLASH: In a surprising move, an Amarrian capsuleer by the name of Shiaari has sent ripples of shock throughout GalNet by stating a painfully obvious truth that most everybody already knows, but which most Amarrians are either too blind or sycophantic to admit. We'll have more for you as this situation develops. I applaud your boldness in coming out and declaring the glaringly blatant implausibility of the Chamberlain's charming narrative, but I seriously doubt many of your comrades will be swayed, however damning the evidence against Karsoth may be.
Kalchak Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.04.15 08:59:00 - [41] Never thought i'd see Caldari power politics in the highest ranks of the Amarr, congratulations to the chamberlain on an (almost) bloodless coup. Now lets see how long he can hold on to his shiny new crown.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Shiaari There was once a time when the Empire itself was governed by the Theology Council, and we learned well the chaos of unchecked oligarchy and God saw fit to bless us with an Emperor to bring the will of God into the sharpest of focus. But even the divinely inspired power of the Emperor pales in comparison to the wisdom of God Himself, and while God is eternal, unwaivering, and sovereign we His children are not. Without the mandate of Heaven the Emperor Himself is but a commoner, but who are we to claim the mandate of Heaven? Can such a bloody and violent affair of a Succession Trial not also be accomplished by humble prayer and meditation? When in doubt, consult God, for in His wisdom God has revealed new ways to accomplish the Reclaiming, a way the Blessed Heideran VII understood well. Not everyone was blessed with Heideran's divinely inspired vision, and upon concluding the latest Succession Trial we could only hope Emperor Doriam II would heed God's divine call for peace. But Doriam was never given the opportunity to consult and seek out the will of God, for a mortal would intervene and cut him down in the name of evil. Yes, fellow Amarrians mortals are evil. Only by seeking the will of God do we become His chosen, for that is what differentiates us from the heathen: *we seek God.* But some of us seek God more, and others less. Some of us are blessed with insight into the purpose of the Emperor's Holy Call, and others are not. Make no mistake, men do interfere in the will of God, but it is God who turns the evil of men into the blessings of Heaven. Look around and see where the pieces have fallen. Our Emperor is dead, having been prematurely called back to Heaven in the wake of His murder. The Theology Council is now also bereft of its God given purpose of interpreting the Holy Scriptures, that right has been claimed by a single man. Dochuta Karsoth has claimed sovereignty over the Law without the mandate of Heaven, and taken it away from the Council of faithful and learned men of God. Without God's divine mandate Karsoth claims to see beyond the Theology Council. I implore you all to see the fallacy of his reason, and the purpose for which he has been blinded by it: To claim the throne for himself. No one denies the power of our Heirs, and the extent to which their power goes, but one must beg the question: would you blindly sacrifice yourself for a Succession Trial knowing powers exist to rob you of it? Or would you consult God? Would you pray? Would you not go to a Holy Cathedral and seek the will of God, and consult the Church? The Chamberlain is a steward of the Throne, he is not the Emperor. He is not gifted with any mandate to execute the will of God. No, that right belongs solely to the Emperor and none other. But the right to interpret scripture, the divine mandate to interpret the Divine Law is given to none other than the Theology Council, and if anyone we should seek their wisdom, and pray. We. Us. We. Us. We. Us. Our Emperor. Our Heirs. So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I rest my case.
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:45:00 - [43] It has come to my understanding that standards of education in the Empire are rather destitute, especially in the instruction of literature and reading comprehension (e.g. Neferis being a prime and proud product of the system: "This is the subject of tonights sermon. Which, for the surprise of many, is not a true Sermon. But some notes."). The State's, in my experience could be even worse... for all the obssession with exotic financial instruments, management science and the like - but I'll be damned if I haven't seen a worse deduction than a six year-old resident of the State's thousands of orphanages could ever make.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:20:00 - [44] Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:27:00 Originally by: Khan Rodak So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I am of Amarr, and that will never change. My stance on slavery cannot change the blood in my veins, and nor can you.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Shiaari Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:27:00 Originally by: Khan Rodak So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I am of Amarr, and that will never change. My stance on slavery cannot change the blood in my veins, and nor can you. You left behind your birthright when you chose to go to war against your own race. Traitor. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Shiaari Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:27:00 Originally by: Khan Rodak So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I am of Amarr, and that will never change. My stance on slavery cannot change the blood in my veins, and nor can you. I've seen and meet heathens more Amarrian then you, foolish traitor. You have no idea of what being Amarr is. And that will never change. New Seminarium open
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:54:00 - [47] Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:55:47 Originally by: Rodj Blake You left behind your birthright when you chose to go to war against your own race. Traitor. Actually in waging war against the Succession Trial and slavery I have reinforced my birthright. If anyone in the world is justified in fighting the Empire's ways, it is those reformist Amarr who take reservation with those practices; those individuals with enough foresight to see the cracks taking shape. The vantage point from which I practice this reform is irrelevant; from within or without, the goal is the same. I love the Empire, I truly do, but its state of affairs leaves much to be desired; I simply don't want to be sitting under it when the pieces begin to fall, and would much rather be prepared to hold it up from outside should more of its people realize the truth. Our war is a war between capsuleers, strictly compartmentalized by CONCORD as to avoid embroiling the entire Empire in our differences, and that is a personal thing: You and I, loyalist and reformist, are still never the less Amarr. Originally by: Khan Rodak I've seen and meet heathens more Amarrian then you, foolish traitor. You have no idea of what being Amarr is. And that will never change. Tell me, Blake, what does it mean to be Amarrian?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:09:00 - [48] You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Traitor. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Rodj Blake You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Shiaari laughs softly to herself, and sighs. Who is fighting the Empire? Certainly not I. Just ask yourself who is fighting when we trade salvos? The Empire must change, Blake. This is not something to be negotiated, its simply a matter of urgency which will bring much sought after stability to the world. You and I are agents of a different power, and our war is private.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:35:00 - [50] I do not presume that my opinion be heard on an Amarr internal matter like this, so I will merely clarify certain points on behalf of my alliance, and leave you ladies and gentlemen to argue it in peace after that. First, Lady Shiaari speaks for herself, not for Electus Matari. As far as I have understood, she considers herself an Amarrian reformist in exile, so when she speaks of "our" Emperor (etc), she speaks of the Emperor of Amarrians, not that of Electus Matari. Second, Electus Matari is not nor wishes to be in a war with the Amarr Empire. We are in a state of CONCORD-sanctioned capsuleer war with certain Amarr loyalist paramilitary organizations, but as has been repeated several times on this Summit, that is not our doing, the aggression was declared by PIE Inc and Vigilia Valeria, and we are ready to negotiate as soon as they are. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:07:00 - [51] Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 15/04/2008 14:07:43 Originally by: Rodj Blake You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Indeed. You "reform" the Empire by murdering the Emperor and declaring holy institutions as corrupt. Originally by: Khan Rodak I've seen and meet heathens more Amarrian then you, foolish traitor. You have no idea of what being Amarr is. And that will never change. Can there be a greater treason than for a lower man to declare an end to what an Emperor started? May your God have mercy on you, Khan Rodak, traitor to your own kind.
Invelious Amarr Knights Covenant Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:32:00 - [52] Edited by: Invelious on 15/04/2008 14:34:12 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon As far as I have understood, she considers herself an Amarrian reformist in exile, so when she speaks of "our" Emperor (etc), she speaks of the Emperor of Amarrians, not that of Electus Matari. May I ask, who in the Amarrian Empire exiled her? Clearly it cant be for her views on slavery? As many amarrians are begining to be against slavery and are still living in comfort in the Empire. I personally only care for God, Empire and its security, with or without slaves. As i stated before, it is only a matter of time before a enslaved race free's its itself. It is what they do after freedom that defines them and it seems our minmatar friends are looking to find out what it feels like when our Blessed Beams of Amarrian might pierce the hauls of the rust they fly and purge their Godless souls. Amarr Victor Agent of the Empire
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:50:00 - [53] You may ask, but I cannot and would not answer on private matters of an EM pilot. I am sure Lady Shiaari will clarify her position, if she wishes to. Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 15/04/2008 14:34:12 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon As far as I have understood, she considers herself an Amarrian reformist in exile, so when she speaks of "our" Emperor (etc), she speaks of the Emperor of Amarrians, not that of Electus Matari. May I ask, who in the Amarrian Empire exiled her? Clearly it cant be for her views on slavery? As many amarrians are begining to be against slavery and are still living in comfort in the Empire. I personally only care for God, Empire and its security, with or without slaves. As i stated before, it is only a matter of time before a enslaved race free's its itself. It is what they do after freedom that defines them and it seems our minmatar friends are looking to find out what it feels like when our Blessed Beams of Amarrian might pierce the hauls of the rust they fly and purge their Godless souls. Amarr Victor It's not so much that she favours the abolition of slavery, but that she advocates the use of violence to achieve it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:35:00 - [55] Originally by: Shiaari Originally by: Rodj Blake You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Shiaari laughs softly to herself, and sighs. Who is fighting the Empire? Certainly not I. Just ask yourself who is fighting when we trade salvos? The Empire must change, Blake. This is not something to be negotiated, its simply a matter of urgency which will bring much sought after stability to the world. You and I are agents of a different power, and our war is private. The Empire IS changing, and not down the road you would like I can tell you that. When things are as they are planned to, your and your friends existance will cease to exist. New Seminarium open
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:17:00 - [56] Poison from within, poison from without--the only answer is purifying fire.
Lyzra Amarr Peregrine Guidance Systems Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Lyzra on 16/04/2008 00:47:38 I do find it distasteful for someone being tied to murderous terrorists to even touch such a topic as this, lies against the Chancellor. For those whom have had they knowledge of our traditions eroded far, heed these words. High Chancellor has been appointed to his position by the late Emperor to act as his stead in many cases. He has authority surpassing anyone within the Eternal Empire. I have my faith completely in him, as nobody else could be as willing and pushing for the complete investigation of the deminse of our late beloved Emperor. If you claim such rubbish as this forward, do back your voice with proof and not by feeble attempts to undermine unquestionable authority the High Chancellor enjoys in eyes of loyal subjects. All plans the High Chancellor has been trying to impliment have been for the cohesion and good of the Eternal Empire, orginally some of the nobles did slow down his... attempts. For traitors I could understand the need to tarnish High Chancellors name. Afterall his intrests in the wellbeing of the Eternal Empire work against those whom fear stronger Amarr. Feel ashamed by claiming these things in Doriam's name, as you act against his command by being unable to support his chosen High Chancellor. Now to the facts, we do not know exactly what these members of the Council have been doing. It seems to be a fact they have been away from ordinary Council's meetings and other duties and all left about in similar timeframes. Which by some account do suggest matter they were all involved in. Also considering the fact they were known to be supporting certain agendas in the Council that were completely against our traditions its not... suprising they were purged. I pray for House Ardishapur and wish our Houses ally House Sarum will live through this humiliation and embarassment by cleansing further they own ranks of disgraceful individuals.
Buduran Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:06:00 - [58] The Empire is the creation of God, and can only be reformed by God. And through the Emperors is God's Will made manifest. Should God will His Empire to change, He would have done so. To claim this right for oneself is heresy. In the best interest of your immortal soul, be humble!
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Lyzra unquestionable authority the High Chancellor enjoys in eyes of loyal subjects. And therein lies your quandary Amarr. This same "unquestionable authority" you would have given to any on the Theological Council. Choose well your "unquestionable authorities". Tomorrow, they may be disloyal, taking you down with them. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 16/04/2008 18:29:47 Originally by: Buduran (...)Should God will His Empire to change, He would have done so. Not would have done. He is doing so, at every single breath of us all. Quote: To claim this right for oneself is heresy. In the best interest of your immortal soul, be humble! I just answered at the first question assuming it was adress at my previous words. I sincerely hope these were not.

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