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Shiaari	Posted - 2008.04.02 07:43:00 - [1] All children of God! While we still endure without the voice of our Holy Emperor, we must seek the will of God in other learned men of the Church! The Court Chamberlain is tasked with guarding the throne, but has no right to disregard the Council, and certainly no right to excommunicate those faithful elect! Open your eyes and see his treachery for what it is! He is declaring himself Emperor! He is taking the Succession Trials and using them as bait to wage war against the honorable heirs of the Empire! The Theology Council is filled with our most faithful elect, loyal to God and learned in His Divine Law! Without our beloved Emperor who should be tasked with interpreting the signs of the times then those tasked with guarding our most hallowed traditions!? Certainly not Dochuta Karsoth! Has anyone seen these Councilmen Falek Grange and Aulus Gord since they inexplicably vanished? How convenient they disappear just before executing an "assassination attempt" against the Court Chamberlain. Why would they vanish before such an act? Who brings attention to themselves before attempting an act of treachery!? I submit to you all that the Blessed Holders Falek Grange and Aulus Gord were dead long before this "assassination attempt", and that Karsoth is well aware of the implications of yet another Succession Trial so soon after the previous. Chamberlain Karsoth claims the Council wishes to take the Law of God into the hands of men, but was it not Karsoth himself who had them killed!? Was this not an act of man!? Would God seek to kill His faithul guardians of Law and Tradition!? Certainly not, and this act of treachery has not gone unnoticed! For not only has he laid the foundation of his own guilt, but he has confessed to the crime! Certainly Karsoth has much to gain in the Emperor's death, yet the Council sees with many eyes what Karsoth does not, and they know his game. A usurper cannot hide from the eyes of God! This is a plea to all of Amarr's privileged capsuleers! Do not allow the Empire to be uprooted by a villain! We will have an Emperor again and reclaim our rightful place in the world! For Doriam II! For the Empire!
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.02 08:43:00 - [2] Originally by: Shiaari Has anyone seen these Councilmen Falek Grange and Aulus Gord since they inexplicably vanished? How convenient they disappear just before executing an "assassination attempt" against the Court Chamberlain. Why would they vanish before such an act? Who brings attention to themselves before attempting an act of treachery!? I submit to you all that the Blessed Holders Falek Grange and Aulus Gord were dead long before this "assassination attempt", and that Karsoth is well aware of the implications of yet another Succession Trial so soon after the previous. Whilst the news of their disappearance was released before the news of the assassination attempt, I think that it's clear that actual events happened the other way round. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.02 09:26:00 - [3] Dog. ----------------------------------------------
Nomakai Delateriel Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:32:00 - [4] I still find it pretty interesting that, so far, the only proof for the "assassination attempt" against the Chamberlain comes from the Chamberlain himself and his own loyal forces. Of particular interest was the fact that three Theology council justices were executed without a trial. A trial isn't conducted for the benefit of the criminal. It's conducted for the benefit of the truth! Only someone opposed to bringing the truth into light would be against a trial. An imperial citizen must be ever vigilant against threats from within and without the empire, and I for one want an independent investigation of this incident. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:48:00 - [5] Whilst I understand the desire for an independent investigation, they have previously been shown to be woefully ineffective - just look at CONCORD's efforts to uncover the identity of Doriam II's assassin. I'm sure that the four heirs have sufficient information on recent events from which to draw some objective conclusions. If they had any suspicions regarding the Chamberlain's integrity I'm sure that they would take appropriate action. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Shiaari Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Rodj Blake If they had any suspicions regarding the Chamberlain's integrity I'm sure that they would take appropriate action. Remember, you are referring to the same organization responsible for unauthorized gate activations into otherwise disputed territory. If anyone has anything to gain from the Empire's collapse, it is CONCORD. Furthermore, are we going to trust CONCORD mutts with God's work? Since when was the Will of God outsourced to foreign powers? The writing is on the wall! The Empire is faced with a Court Chamberlain who has grossly overstepped his authority as Steward of the Throne! Where is the evidence of this assassination attempt? Where is the trial? If these "bombs" were allegedly assembled from "sensor-evading" materials, how would we know where they came from in the first place? Could not the parts have been planted by Chancellery operatives? Convenient they would be "sensor-evading", indeed. Equally convenient is how none of these individuals were captured alive for inquisition! There is a cover-up being executed by Chancellor Karsoth, and the Council should demand an investigation!
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:09:00 - [7] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/04/2008 11:09:52 Originally by: Shiaari Originally by: Rodj Blake If they had any suspicions regarding the Chamberlain's integrity I'm sure that they would take appropriate action. Remember, you are referring to the same organization responsible for unauthorized gate activations into otherwise disputed territory. If anyone has anything to gain from the Empire's collapse, it is CONCORD. Furthermore, are we going to trust CONCORD mutts with God's work? Since when was the Will of God outsourced to foreign powers? In the paragraph from which you're quoting, I'm referring to the four heirs, not CONCORD. And in reference to the unwarranted and unpatriotic comments later in your post, I'll repeat that if the Chamberlain was doing anything that he shouldn't, then the heirs would take appropriate action. Or don't you have confidence in them? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 02/04/2008 11:24:54 Originally by: Rodj Blake I'll repeat that if the Chamberlain was doing anything that he shouldn't, then the heirs would take appropriate action. Or don't you have confidence in them? Did you have confidence in the Khanid heir? --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Shiaari Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake And in reference to the unwarranted and unpatriotic comments later in your post, I'll repeat that if the Chamberlain was doing anything that he shouldn't, then the heirs would take appropriate action. Or don't you have confidence in them? Would you sacrifice your life in a Succession Trial knowing full well your victory would be fruitless? The Will of God has been usurped, the rightful Emperor killed, and the Chamberlain expresses wonderment at the Houses' hesitation to engage a new Trial? This is nonsense! Then, in their wisdom, the Council perceives a blessing in the darkness, and what does the Chamberlain do? He has them killed! For what would the Chamberlain kill these Councilmen, if not to protect his own power? He is not the rightful voice of God, and had no right executing the Councilmen without Holy Inquisition! You speak to me of confidence in the Heirs, not realizing its for the benefit of the Heirs which I speak! House Sarum has paid the dearest price, and yet remains steadfast in its commitment to the Empire. But how can the Chamberlain expect Sarum to raise a new Heir only to immediately sacrifice him for a hollow victory!? Why would the Chamberlain express such haste in surrendering his post? Would not a Succession Trial result in the appointment of a new Chancellor? Karsoth should submit to Holy Inquisition and ensure the purity of his soul before making any mention of a Succession Trial!
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/04/2008 11:42:21 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/04/2008 11:37:39 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/04/2008 11:36:59 You think that the heirs somehow need your assistance in deciding what to do? Such hubris! Again, I will say that if the heirs (or indeed the wider Privy Council, the Theolgy Council or the Speakers of Truth) have any reason to suspect that the Chamberlain has done anything wrong, I'm sure that they will do what needs to be done. But until such time as that happens to imply that the Chamberlain is a traitor to the Empire is not only inappropriate, it's downright treasonous. And for the record, Chamberlain Karsoth served in that role under both of the previous Emperors, so he wouldn't necessarily have to step down from his role if the new Emperor was happy with him Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Shaikar	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:43:00 - [11] There is no Khanid Heir in the Empire and has not been for centuries. Given that fact, a discussion of their potential qualities is pointless. Perhaps you are becoming confused with the succession arrangements of the Kingdom. As for the Trials, it seems to have been forgotten that Sarum have yet to nominate a Heir. Until the proper time for that choice arrives, there can be no Succession Trials and Chamberlain Karsoth is merely performing his ordained duties as the duely appointed representative of the Emperor.
Shiaari	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Rodj Blake Again, I will say that if the heirs (or indeed the wider Privy Council, the Theolgy Council or the Speakers of Truth) have any reason to suspect that the Chamberlain has done anything wrong, I'm sure that they will do what needs to be done. Would they? After this? Who would dare investigate the Chamberlain now, after the Theology Council has already been punished? The only treasonous act was the murder of members of the Theology Council. There are dark days ahead.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:50:00 - [13] Are you seriously suggesting that the likes of Uriam Kador and Brother Joshua are somehow scared of Chamberlain Karsoth? Are you really suggesting that someone with the wealth of Catiz Tash-Murkon doesn't have the ability to defend herself? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Julius Avitus	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:10:00 - [14] I must admit that I have not read the arguments presented in this thread very carefully, but I feel obliged to note that these three former Justices are not the Theology Council. But truly, if this long interregnum helps us to weed out such heretics from the Imperial bureaucracy then it is good. After faith in God the second most important goal of all Amarr should be to work for the unity and empowerment of the Empire. By spreading violence and strife amongst our brothers and sisters this object is not achieved. At times it is true that some, or should I even say many, should give up their lives for the greater good. At times, acts of violence must happen within Amarrdom to right wrongs and to purge heresy, but the murder of lord Karsoth would not be such of an act.
Uilliam Nebel	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Shiaari The Will of God has been usurped. Mamn, as a humble Amarrian soldier of little consequence, it is far from my place to speak on such matters as Divine will, whom may become Emperor, or to cast suspicion on any of our Elders in the Faith. I will not pretend to know as much of the politics of the aristocracy, or to understand the complicated workings of Holy succession. However, I must take issue with this one thing you have said for it vexes me. Such a thing shall, and cannot ever happen, for GodÆs will is creation itself. No event, no matter how insignificant, may happen but by his allowance alone. No working of men can æstealÆ the power of the throne as you seem to be suggesting. What man may find himself so clever has to engage the All Mighty himself in political intrigue, in maneuvering, or subterfuge as to find himself able to take what God alone might grant? I as well have concerns about the recent events, concerns brought upon by mortal uncertainties. But my faith calms me greatly, for I know that while I am in no great measure wise, I can rely on something even more certain then death and taxes, that GodÆs will be done. But forgive me if I over step my station in expressing the above. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:57:00 - [16] Blind faith in those you consider your superiors falls flat when your they start to quarrel and kill each other. The example of Khanid may be an ancient one but still relevant, considering your ossified society. Even emperors have been found to be fallible. Ossified, and now decaying: Holder Hejaaz Momia, now these Theology council members and your chamberlain acting weirdly. Choose your superiors wisely. Previously you would have done anything any of those listed above would ask of you. Now, you may be signing your own confession to an Inquisition. Blind faith in divine will is different, as it is meaningless in political discussion. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Uilliam Nebel	Posted - 2008.04.02 13:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Blind faith in those you consider your superiors falls flat when your they start to quarrel and kill each other. I must strenuously disagree with that sentiment Sir. I believe, to turn from ones faith because the confines of mortal cynicism mark it as an obstacle to a manÆs limited reason is of equal error. Faith is like principle, in that one must stand by it always, when a strength and just as much if not more so then when it might be perceived has an inconvenience to oneÆs personal agenda or benefit. Granted, it is by the miracle of faithÆs nature that it must be struggled with, for it is akin to a complicated alloy forever needing refining and forging. And without that struggle, it becomes little more than self serving fanaticism. And will change form from a sharp and accurate sword, to a blunt and clumsy hammer. That said though, my faith makes no uncertainty that it is God who puts a man into the EmperorÆs throne. And that he achieves this through many manipulations of his faithful servants amongst the Amarr. And let it also be said, that if a manÆs reach exceeds his grasp beyond what use God has given him that it is the Lord whom will cut him down like the overgrown weeds of the country. God chooses one to serve him as Emperor for his purposes at that time, and will just as easily replace him when his divine will dictates the use of another. But no man comes to be called Emperor of the Amarrian Empire but by GodÆs will is what I believe. It is by our ignorance of his Divine plan that we ever may be so proud or feel ourselves so clever as to percieve some fault in it. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.02 13:37:00 - [18] I specifically said 'blind faith', as the Amarrians promote. Faith in leadership is another matter and is common to all races. Blind faith makes you a pawn. Faith makes you a player. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Avel Kereka The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.02 13:41:00 - [19] Shiaari, I too am concerned--however we should not jump to extreme conclusions just yet. We are not Gallenteans who feast upon every rumour or half-truth, after all. I have my own theories on the subject but I strongly advise you and other faithful Amarrians to wait until the Heirs make a statement, or until new information comes to light before directly accusing Karsoth. We have some problems at the top to work out, but I'm sure our system will take care of it as it always has. But remain vigilant.
Khan Rodak Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.02 15:16:00 - [20] To Shiaara: The events we are facing are deeply concerning. However, your plea seems precipitated at this point, mainly due to the media youÆve used and bring it to such an open community. I to am concerned. And my concerns, if I may say, are not new. Many seemed to have opened their eyes just at the face of this events, but its not so. This troubled events came in a line of others that started many time agoà A few years for some, but centuries for most and even millenniums for a few that marked our collective path. We all should watch further events and assimilate them as they are known. Stay calm, ready and pure for the call to be made upon, and play your part when the time comesà Not before. On a note, when you ask ôSince when was the Will of God outsourced to foreign powers?ö I shall say you this: NEVER! Yet, sometimes, what some say its GodÆs will have been, as our recent political history show us. And those two things are quite different from each other. To Uilliam: I must second your words. Words which should make you proud. The real will of God was never usurped. Even when it seems that way, it is His divine wish that it goes that way in order to change happens. You have certainly not over step your station in any way. You should be pleased and proud in yourself for, as someone not versed for long in theological issues, you have a clearer image than many that have legitimate religious tasks. And donÆt let your faith be turned down. Specially by the vices of His enemies. Those that rush to answer or drop a line to you, hoping that you will flaw. You have my confidence. You didnÆt flaw. On this subject, I must express one clear thought to you all: There is no other faith than the blind faith. The blind faith that we give to God himself and to His words û The Scriptures. Blind Faith in God makes us His servants and fulfil our lives with a task. Faith trusted to leaders should be tempered with what God gave us: the ability to think, pray and strive for His word which was given to us. To Avel, which again and for the third time in two days, I was pleased to hear: As I stated above, I too am concerned. But what concerns me most its not the events themselves. This events, those of now as those of the past which started this chain, are all part of GodÆs plan and path. Our faith tells us this, His words state what IÆm saying. What concerns me most is the non reaction, or misunderstanding many of the Amarrian kin might give to the events as they arrive. For this, those with clear minds and True Faith must prevail, and show guidance to those who will need help. Overall, everyone should stay sharp, ready and pure. At the right time, things will be revealed to us. Things that many havenÆt thought were likely or even possible to happen. Such are GodÆs ways. Be blessed, Hail Amarr!!! New Seminarium open
Raktar Medovski Omen Incorporated Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.02 19:02:00 - [21] Doriam II was assassinated by the Chancellor. Of course, the Chancellor didn't do it himself. The Chancellor did it to gain power and because the Chancellor disagreed with the changes Doriam II was trying to make.
Avel Kereka	Posted - 2008.04.02 20:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Khan Rodak What concerns me most is the non reaction, or misunderstanding many of the Amarrian kin might give to the events as they arrive. For this, those with clear minds and True Faith must prevail, and show guidance to those who will need help. Thank you for your kind words. The seeming indifference displayed by our kin is to be expected--this is not a political climate one wishes to be too outspoken in. Unfortunately, loyalty to the throne is once again becoming divorced from loyalty to God, which pains me to no end. Still, when push comes to shove the soft and the corrupt will burn. Oh, how they will burn. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
TheOnlyProphet The Silver Alliance Ultionis Quietus	Posted - 2008.04.02 23:43:00 - [23] Spouting conspiracy theories can sound like the work of someone who wishes to discredit our Amarrian Officials, and plant seeds of doubt in the hearts and minds of our kin. This type of thinking will take us down a dark and treacherous path. God will reward the faithful and punish the wicked! Hold steadfast to your treasured ways of life! It may be the last sacred thing we Amarr have left. Losing faith in the Empire will inevitably cause it to fall.
Sepherim Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.04.03 00:44:00 - [24] Miss Shiaari has gone a bit too far on her words. But she is right that Chacellor Karsoth has overstepped his bonds when he denied a fair trial to those men. An Amarrian trial, that is, not a CONCORD one. We have laws, we have Tradition... and those are to be kept. Eternally, or until an Emperor sais otherwise. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Ryem Sadar Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.04.03 05:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake Again, I will say that if the heirs (or indeed the wider Privy Council, the Theolgy Council or the Speakers of Truth) have any Frankly that is what causes me the greatest concern on this issue, the silence of the Theology Council. Surely with their own Justices having been implicated and condemned, they should be the first to advocate a trial so that the full weight of evidence against the former Holders could be presented to the people. Their detachment in the wake of the summary execution without trial of three of their Justices for high treason strikes me as bizarre. IMPERIUM SINE FINE
Shern Delictum 23216	Posted - 2008.04.03 06:18:00 - [26] I find the execution without trial of the three justices very scary. Are we not people of the Empire ? Don't we have standards that people like the tribals don't have ? For simple people like me, although the stern words of the Chamberlain bring some comfort that evil has been rooted out, I think that justice has to be seen to be done, rather than carried out behind closed doors, even if by my betters. I guess we shuld pray all the harder for a new Emperor now. The Empire needs one.
Tablaren Kingdom of Kador Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.04.03 06:47:00 - [27] Lord Gaius I'd kindly ask you not to speak in such a manner to a lady of her standing, lady Kador is not some some wretch to be insulted and I believe that to have been in bad taste. As my wife is too furious to speak I am writing our stance. Shiarri is right, it's barbarity and a misuse of power to commit such breach of law. Any traditionalist would see this for what it is.... the laws and traditions and practices of thousands of years that once protected a Holder from on the spot execution by a man with the militaries support no longer apply. Any reformist would see this as a throwback to a vision of the empire that no emperor has supported for hundreds of years. The previous two emperors worked hard and through their divinly inspired will have opened and made the empire a place where the laws protected the weak even more then before. Now in one move this man, a man with the paladins support has decided that it is his right to find and murder the ruling class of amarr. Let us even go further and look at his words. "Those who have been damned-those who are guilty of the most heinous crimes imaginable-they are none other than the corrupt souls of the Theology Council. " This is not an attack on a few members of an organisation this is a verbal attack on that organization..... He dares to call the Theology Council corrupt after the lengthy investigative process of putting a bullet in his political enemies head! Furthermore by saying they "the Council not the individuals" insult the sanctity of the church... who is he to make such a claim, were any man under my charge to say that I would have him beaten where he stood! Furthermore he merely states that g_d has revealed the plot against him. What does he mean? This CHAMBERLAIN speaks much of what exactly the divine will is, last I checked he was not an emperor but a man serving the empire! Was it a dream? Did his chicken soup spell out the names of the traitors? How does this man who is neither emperor nor prophet interpret the will of the allmighty? Who is he to think that a member of the imperial court knows more of the divine will then the members of the theology council? Are we next to believe the Imperial cup-bearer knows more about war then the commander of the 7th Fleet? "Humblest believers, it is thus that I inform you that the Holder Falek Grange, his loyal brigand Holder Aulus Gord, and the members of his private court on the Theology Council have each been hunted down and destroyed." Now how could he possibly boast about exterminating an entire section of the theology council! Not a single one without a trial, no investigation.... How did they know who to kill? The answer is simple, they either butchered everyone associated with the 3 judges or they knew exactly who the chancellors political opponents were and exterminated them at a moments chance. This statement angered us to no small extent. "Yes, those demonic patrons saw me as an obstacle to their elaborate plans to install another heir-one held under the spell of their intent, an obedient dog who would forever be in their debt for placing him in power." NOW he dares to assume the likes of the HEIRS to the throne are the weak-willed kind of followers to simply fall in line with conspirators. This statement is outrageous! He's suggesting that one of the heirs is the kind of traitor who will stand by and watch the imperial succession destroyed then simply bend over for these men and do as they say. Well which one? WHICH ONE of the heirs does he believe to be so unfit, so lacking a spine to be such a character? But this is what truly condemns his actions. "If God wills a change to His law, then His word will be spoken through the next ordained Emperor of Amarr-no one else!" I truly hope there's no need to go on about this. In the name of the Emperor I beg you all not to be swayed by blind loyalty. Look to what is legal, moral, and the teachings of the scriptures.
Tablaren	Posted - 2008.04.03 07:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Ryem Sadar Originally by: Rodj Blake Again, I will say that if the heirs (or indeed the wider Privy Council, the Theolgy Council or the Speakers of Truth) have any Frankly that is what causes me the greatest concern on this issue, the silence of the Theology Council. Surely with their own Justices having been implicated and condemned, they should be the first to advocate a trial so that the full weight of evidence against the former Holders could be presented to the people. Their detachment in the wake of the summary execution without trial of three of their Justices for high treason strikes me as bizarre. You have to remember, he didn't try and condemn 3 members. The chamberlain hunted down and executed them, then had paladins storm the Theology council headquartes and murder "Their private court" Tell me, you are a judge sitting in session. An armed soldier bursts in and kills in cold blood the judge beside you without asking even the slightest of questions and noone having given him any way to defend his innocence. What is your next course of action? Do you stand up and demand an explanation while condemning that soldier? What about later when you realize the man who ordered that was the single most powerful man in the galaxy? No, members of the theology council can not bring forward anything without being in danger of being killed Mr Sadar. For you loyalists out there hear these words. Only the Heirs and Speakers of Truth now have the kind of power to stand before this villian. Lord-Heirs, we pray you act. I pray for Lord Uriam Kador. For he is the most powerful, dedicated, noble, and capable of men. His will unbreakable and his spirit strong. The citizens of the empire are divided, many are fearful, even some of my own agents we use for information will not speak about the matter openly. In our hearts we wish to hear the reasurring words of reason and justice. I pray tonight Lord-Heir that you shall say the words that either everything is allright and condemn us for our sins and coming to a conclusion too quickly or for your guidance in these times that trouble us so. Loyalists. Put your faith in the the allmighty, put your faith in the empire. Do not place all your blind loyalty in the hands of this noble for you would be doing the EXACT same thing you condemn the Khanid loyalists of. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ruah Piskonit	Posted - 2008.04.03 08:33:00 - [29] I find your corporation name to be an oxymoron when put next you your kind. . .tread cairfuly. ---- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Tyr Vaantau	Posted - 2008.04.03 10:55:00 - [30] I am so glad that so many people believe the same thing about Dochuta Karsoth. He has without a doubt acted suspiciously and if what he has claimed really is true then he should take great steps now to prove his case, or otherwise face the wrath of the assembled loyal Amarrian forces against him. ------ Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2008.04.03 11:30:00 - [31] On a matter of such importance, no member of the lesser races may have a say at all. ---------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kade Jeekin	Posted - 2008.04.03 15:43:00 - [32] It is good to see that there is some sanity amongst the insanity, from unexpected quarters too. Perhaps there is a future for the Amarrians after all. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Avel Kereka	Posted - 2008.04.03 16:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Tablaren Lord Gaius I'd kindly ask you not to speak in such a manner to a lady of her standing, lady Kador is not some some wretch to be insulted and I believe that to have been in bad taste. As my wife is too furious to speak I am writing our stance. Unfortunately, by marrying an outsider she forfeited most of the standing she may have had. "Amarrian" isn't just a philosophy. I can't help but wonder, if an Emperor started doing something like this would there be such outrage, or would it be brushed off as "God's will"? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Lordus Mark	Posted - 2008.04.03 16:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Gaius Kador On a matter of such importance, no member of the lesser races may have a say at all. Seconded interely. Stay away from what is not your businesses. ******************************** RDK Trusting Holders** Need a job done? Quietly? Have a word with us.
Shiaari	Posted - 2008.04.03 22:39:00 - [35] There was once a time when the Empire itself was governed by the Theology Council, and we learned well the chaos of unchecked oligarchy and God saw fit to bless us with an Emperor to bring the will of God into the sharpest of focus. But even the divinely inspired power of the Emperor pales in comparison to the wisdom of God Himself, and while God is eternal, unwaivering, and sovereign we His children are not. Without the mandate of Heaven the Emperor Himself is but a commoner, but who are we to claim the mandate of Heaven? Can such a bloody and violent affair of a Succession Trial not also be accomplished by humble prayer and meditation? When in doubt, consult God, for in His wisdom God has revealed new ways to accomplish the Reclaiming, a way the Blessed Heideran VII understood well. Not everyone was blessed with Heideran's divinely inspired vision, and upon concluding the latest Succession Trial we could only hope Emperor Doriam II would heed God's divine call for peace. But Doriam was never given the opportunity to consult and seek out the will of God, for a mortal would intervene and cut him down in the name of evil. Yes, fellow Amarrians mortals are evil. Only by seeking the will of God do we become His chosen, for that is what differentiates us from the heathen: we seek God. But some of us seek God more, and others less. Some of us are blessed with insight into the purpose of the Emperor's Holy Call, and others are not. Make no mistake, men do interfere in the will of God, but it is God who turns the evil of men into the blessings of Heaven. Look around and see where the pieces have fallen. Our Emperor is dead, having been prematurely called back to Heaven in the wake of His murder. The Theology Council is now also bereft of its God given purpose of interpreting the Holy Scriptures, that right has been claimed by a single man. Dochuta Karsoth has claimed sovereignty over the Law without the mandate of Heaven, and taken it away from the Council of faithful and learned men of God. Without God's divine mandate Karsoth claims to see beyond the Theology Council. I implore you all to see the fallacy of his reason, and the purpose for which he has been blinded by it: To claim the throne for himself. No one denies the power of our Heirs, and the extent to which their power goes, but one must beg the question: would you blindly sacrifice yourself for a Succession Trial knowing powers exist to rob you of it? Or would you consult God? Would you pray? Would you not go to a Holy Cathedral and seek the will of God, and consult the Church? The Chamberlain is a steward of the Throne, he is not the Emperor. He is not gifted with any mandate to execute the will of God. No, that right belongs solely to the Emperor and none other. But the right to interpret scripture, the divine mandate to interpret the Divine Law is given to none other than the Theology Council, and if anyone we should seek their wisdom, and pray.
Kade Jeekin	Posted - 2008.04.03 23:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 03/04/2008 23:04:26 Of course the heirs may be scared of entering a house in which a hidden murderer still resides. Go through the trials only to be knocked off when you're asleep - nasty! --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Avaricious Zee Wolf Stone	Posted - 2008.04.04 00:00:00 - [37] There is much confusion in the Empire as of late. I pray to God nightly that a strong Emperor may come to power and direct us all along the righteous path. I fear we are all lost until that time. Non fui, fui, non sum, non desidero
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.14 23:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Tablaren Lord Gaius I'd kindly ask you not to speak in such a manner to a lady of her standing, lady Kador is not some some wretch to be insulted and I believe that to have been in bad taste. I was right as I always am. How will you atone for your sins, Tablaren. ----------------------------------------------
Lyra Garris Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 00:01:00 - [39] All this discussion gives me a headache so I'm only going to contribute one thing. God does not lose control of any situation, regardless of how many paranoid GalNet users hint that things are getting out of His command. His Divine Will shall be done, and mere mortals such as us cannot read the mind of God to know what He is planning or how He wishes to carry it out. Have faith and He will reveal His plans when He feels it is appropriate to do so.
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 03:35:00 - [40] NEWSFLASH: In a surprising move, an Amarrian capsuleer by the name of Shiaari has sent ripples of shock throughout GalNet by stating a painfully obvious truth that most everybody already knows, but which most Amarrians are either too blind or sycophantic to admit. We'll have more for you as this situation develops. I applaud your boldness in coming out and declaring the glaringly blatant implausibility of the Chamberlain's charming narrative, but I seriously doubt many of your comrades will be swayed, however damning the evidence against Karsoth may be.
Kalchak Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.04.15 08:59:00 - [41] Never thought i'd see Caldari power politics in the highest ranks of the Amarr, congratulations to the chamberlain on an (almost) bloodless coup. Now lets see how long he can hold on to his shiny new crown.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Shiaari There was once a time when the Empire itself was governed by the Theology Council, and we learned well the chaos of unchecked oligarchy and God saw fit to bless us with an Emperor to bring the will of God into the sharpest of focus. But even the divinely inspired power of the Emperor pales in comparison to the wisdom of God Himself, and while God is eternal, unwaivering, and sovereign we His children are not. Without the mandate of Heaven the Emperor Himself is but a commoner, but who are we to claim the mandate of Heaven? Can such a bloody and violent affair of a Succession Trial not also be accomplished by humble prayer and meditation? When in doubt, consult God, for in His wisdom God has revealed new ways to accomplish the Reclaiming, a way the Blessed Heideran VII understood well. Not everyone was blessed with Heideran's divinely inspired vision, and upon concluding the latest Succession Trial we could only hope Emperor Doriam II would heed God's divine call for peace. But Doriam was never given the opportunity to consult and seek out the will of God, for a mortal would intervene and cut him down in the name of evil. Yes, fellow Amarrians mortals are evil. Only by seeking the will of God do we become His chosen, for that is what differentiates us from the heathen: *we seek God.* But some of us seek God more, and others less. Some of us are blessed with insight into the purpose of the Emperor's Holy Call, and others are not. Make no mistake, men do interfere in the will of God, but it is God who turns the evil of men into the blessings of Heaven. Look around and see where the pieces have fallen. Our Emperor is dead, having been prematurely called back to Heaven in the wake of His murder. The Theology Council is now also bereft of its God given purpose of interpreting the Holy Scriptures, that right has been claimed by a single man. Dochuta Karsoth has claimed sovereignty over the Law without the mandate of Heaven, and taken it away from the Council of faithful and learned men of God. Without God's divine mandate Karsoth claims to see beyond the Theology Council. I implore you all to see the fallacy of his reason, and the purpose for which he has been blinded by it: To claim the throne for himself. No one denies the power of our Heirs, and the extent to which their power goes, but one must beg the question: would you blindly sacrifice yourself for a Succession Trial knowing powers exist to rob you of it? Or would you consult God? Would you pray? Would you not go to a Holy Cathedral and seek the will of God, and consult the Church? The Chamberlain is a steward of the Throne, he is not the Emperor. He is not gifted with any mandate to execute the will of God. No, that right belongs solely to the Emperor and none other. But the right to interpret scripture, the divine mandate to interpret the Divine Law is given to none other than the Theology Council, and if anyone we should seek their wisdom, and pray. We. Us. We. Us. We. Us. Our Emperor. Our Heirs. So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I rest my case.
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:45:00 - [43] It has come to my understanding that standards of education in the Empire are rather destitute, especially in the instruction of literature and reading comprehension (e.g. Neferis being a prime and proud product of the system: "This is the subject of tonights sermon. Which, for the surprise of many, is not a true Sermon. But some notes."). The State's, in my experience could be even worse... for all the obssession with exotic financial instruments, management science and the like - but I'll be damned if I haven't seen a worse deduction than a six year-old resident of the State's thousands of orphanages could ever make.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:20:00 - [44] Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:27:00 Originally by: Khan Rodak So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I am of Amarr, and that will never change. My stance on slavery cannot change the blood in my veins, and nor can you.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Shiaari Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:27:00 Originally by: Khan Rodak So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I am of Amarr, and that will never change. My stance on slavery cannot change the blood in my veins, and nor can you. You left behind your birthright when you chose to go to war against your own race. Traitor. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Shiaari Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:27:00 Originally by: Khan Rodak So, Electus Matari recognaises the supremacy and rulling of God and Amarr above all. I am of Amarr, and that will never change. My stance on slavery cannot change the blood in my veins, and nor can you. I've seen and meet heathens more Amarrian then you, foolish traitor. You have no idea of what being Amarr is. And that will never change. New Seminarium open
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 12:54:00 - [47] Edited by: Shiaari on 15/04/2008 12:55:47 Originally by: Rodj Blake You left behind your birthright when you chose to go to war against your own race. Traitor. Actually in waging war against the Succession Trial and slavery I have reinforced my birthright. If anyone in the world is justified in fighting the Empire's ways, it is those reformist Amarr who take reservation with those practices; those individuals with enough foresight to see the cracks taking shape. The vantage point from which I practice this reform is irrelevant; from within or without, the goal is the same. I love the Empire, I truly do, but its state of affairs leaves much to be desired; I simply don't want to be sitting under it when the pieces begin to fall, and would much rather be prepared to hold it up from outside should more of its people realize the truth. Our war is a war between capsuleers, strictly compartmentalized by CONCORD as to avoid embroiling the entire Empire in our differences, and that is a personal thing: You and I, loyalist and reformist, are still never the less Amarr. Originally by: Khan Rodak I've seen and meet heathens more Amarrian then you, foolish traitor. You have no idea of what being Amarr is. And that will never change. Tell me, Blake, what does it mean to be Amarrian?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:09:00 - [48] You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Traitor. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Rodj Blake You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Shiaari laughs softly to herself, and sighs. Who is fighting the Empire? Certainly not I. Just ask yourself who is fighting when we trade salvos? The Empire must change, Blake. This is not something to be negotiated, its simply a matter of urgency which will bring much sought after stability to the world. You and I are agents of a different power, and our war is private.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:35:00 - [50] I do not presume that my opinion be heard on an Amarr internal matter like this, so I will merely clarify certain points on behalf of my alliance, and leave you ladies and gentlemen to argue it in peace after that. First, Lady Shiaari speaks for herself, not for Electus Matari. As far as I have understood, she considers herself an Amarrian reformist in exile, so when she speaks of "our" Emperor (etc), she speaks of the Emperor of Amarrians, not that of Electus Matari. Second, Electus Matari is not nor wishes to be in a war with the Amarr Empire. We are in a state of CONCORD-sanctioned capsuleer war with certain Amarr loyalist paramilitary organizations, but as has been repeated several times on this Summit, that is not our doing, the aggression was declared by PIE Inc and Vigilia Valeria, and we are ready to negotiate as soon as they are. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:07:00 - [51] Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 15/04/2008 14:07:43 Originally by: Rodj Blake You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Indeed. You "reform" the Empire by murdering the Emperor and declaring holy institutions as corrupt. Originally by: Khan Rodak I've seen and meet heathens more Amarrian then you, foolish traitor. You have no idea of what being Amarr is. And that will never change. Can there be a greater treason than for a lower man to declare an end to what an Emperor started? May your God have mercy on you, Khan Rodak, traitor to your own kind.
Invelious Amarr Knights Covenant Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:32:00 - [52] Edited by: Invelious on 15/04/2008 14:34:12 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon As far as I have understood, she considers herself an Amarrian reformist in exile, so when she speaks of "our" Emperor (etc), she speaks of the Emperor of Amarrians, not that of Electus Matari. May I ask, who in the Amarrian Empire exiled her? Clearly it cant be for her views on slavery? As many amarrians are begining to be against slavery and are still living in comfort in the Empire. I personally only care for God, Empire and its security, with or without slaves. As i stated before, it is only a matter of time before a enslaved race free's its itself. It is what they do after freedom that defines them and it seems our minmatar friends are looking to find out what it feels like when our Blessed Beams of Amarrian might pierce the hauls of the rust they fly and purge their Godless souls. Amarr Victor Agent of the Empire
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:50:00 - [53] You may ask, but I cannot and would not answer on private matters of an EM pilot. I am sure Lady Shiaari will clarify her position, if she wishes to. Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 15/04/2008 14:34:12 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon As far as I have understood, she considers herself an Amarrian reformist in exile, so when she speaks of "our" Emperor (etc), she speaks of the Emperor of Amarrians, not that of Electus Matari. May I ask, who in the Amarrian Empire exiled her? Clearly it cant be for her views on slavery? As many amarrians are begining to be against slavery and are still living in comfort in the Empire. I personally only care for God, Empire and its security, with or without slaves. As i stated before, it is only a matter of time before a enslaved race free's its itself. It is what they do after freedom that defines them and it seems our minmatar friends are looking to find out what it feels like when our Blessed Beams of Amarrian might pierce the hauls of the rust they fly and purge their Godless souls. Amarr Victor It's not so much that she favours the abolition of slavery, but that she advocates the use of violence to achieve it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:35:00 - [55] Originally by: Shiaari Originally by: Rodj Blake You won't reform the Empire by fighting it. Shiaari laughs softly to herself, and sighs. Who is fighting the Empire? Certainly not I. Just ask yourself who is fighting when we trade salvos? The Empire must change, Blake. This is not something to be negotiated, its simply a matter of urgency which will bring much sought after stability to the world. You and I are agents of a different power, and our war is private. The Empire IS changing, and not down the road you would like I can tell you that. When things are as they are planned to, your and your friends existance will cease to exist. New Seminarium open
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:17:00 - [56] Poison from within, poison from without--the only answer is purifying fire.
Lyzra Amarr Peregrine Guidance Systems Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Lyzra on 16/04/2008 00:47:38 I do find it distasteful for someone being tied to murderous terrorists to even touch such a topic as this, lies against the Chancellor. For those whom have had they knowledge of our traditions eroded far, heed these words. High Chancellor has been appointed to his position by the late Emperor to act as his stead in many cases. He has authority surpassing anyone within the Eternal Empire. I have my faith completely in him, as nobody else could be as willing and pushing for the complete investigation of the deminse of our late beloved Emperor. If you claim such rubbish as this forward, do back your voice with proof and not by feeble attempts to undermine unquestionable authority the High Chancellor enjoys in eyes of loyal subjects. All plans the High Chancellor has been trying to impliment have been for the cohesion and good of the Eternal Empire, orginally some of the nobles did slow down his... attempts. For traitors I could understand the need to tarnish High Chancellors name. Afterall his intrests in the wellbeing of the Eternal Empire work against those whom fear stronger Amarr. Feel ashamed by claiming these things in Doriam's name, as you act against his command by being unable to support his chosen High Chancellor. Now to the facts, we do not know exactly what these members of the Council have been doing. It seems to be a fact they have been away from ordinary Council's meetings and other duties and all left about in similar timeframes. Which by some account do suggest matter they were all involved in. Also considering the fact they were known to be supporting certain agendas in the Council that were completely against our traditions its not... suprising they were purged. I pray for House Ardishapur and wish our Houses ally House Sarum will live through this humiliation and embarassment by cleansing further they own ranks of disgraceful individuals.
Buduran Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:06:00 - [58] The Empire is the creation of God, and can only be reformed by God. And through the Emperors is God's Will made manifest. Should God will His Empire to change, He would have done so. To claim this right for oneself is heresy. In the best interest of your immortal soul, be humble!
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Lyzra unquestionable authority the High Chancellor enjoys in eyes of loyal subjects. And therein lies your quandary Amarr. This same "unquestionable authority" you would have given to any on the Theological Council. Choose well your "unquestionable authorities". Tomorrow, they may be disloyal, taking you down with them. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 16/04/2008 18:29:47 Originally by: Buduran (...)Should God will His Empire to change, He would have done so. Not would have done. He is doing so, at every single breath of us all. Quote: To claim this right for oneself is heresy. In the best interest of your immortal soul, be humble! I just answered at the first question assuming it was adress at my previous words. I sincerely hope these were not.
Buduran Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:32:00 - [61] My words were directed to the original poster, Sir Rodak, there is no need to respond in anger. I was referring to the will to change the ways of the Empire, it's traditions and laws. Perhaps I was imprecise. You, I assume, were talking about the coming Reclaiming. Indeed, all of God's Creation belongs in the borders of the Empire. It is a matter of time before it returns to them. May God grant you peaceful flight this day.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Buduran My words were directed to the original poster, Sir Rodak, there is no need to respond in anger. I was referring to the will to change the ways of the Empire, it's traditions and laws. Perhaps I was imprecise. You, I assume, were talking about the coming Reclaiming. Indeed, all of God's Creation belongs in the borders of the Empire. It is a matter of time before it returns to them. May God grant you peaceful flight this day. I salute you. Just beware, changings have happened in the past. Bare in mind that a new change might get us where we already once were. Such is God's path sometimes. Be blessed, Buduran.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.17 05:43:00 - [63] Originally by: Khan Rodak I salute you. Just beware, changings have happened in the past. Bare in mind that a new change might get us where we already once were. Such is God's path sometimes. And sometimes change exposes you to new ideas and interpretations, as I and the Theology Council have discovered.
Buduran Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:24:00 - [64] Lady Shiaari, the Chamberlain is the steward to the Throne in the absence of an Emperor, and the Theology Council members are stewards to the laws and rights contained within the Scriptures. Stewards, nothing more. They guard them, and just as the Chamberlain cannot secure the throne for himself, the Theology Council members are not permitted to alter even a single word of the Scriptures. Indeed, no man has the right to do this except God's chosen Emperor. Until we are blessed with such times that the Houses will send forth their Heirs to take part in the Succession Trials and later in the holy ritual of Shathol'Syn, and God's Chosen ascends to the Imperial Throne, there can be no change. The Holders executed by the order of the Chamberlain sought to change that which they are not permitted to change, and by doing so rebelled against the Word of God. The Succession Trials, which they sought to abolish, are one of the foundations of the Empire. They have comitted the sin of Pride, nay Hubris! And for such hubris comes retribution. Indeed, any man, any believer, no matter how lowly or downtrodden, should not allow sin to spread, especially a sin of this kind. As Chamberlain, it was Lord Karsoth's duty to purge it. It is now, more than ever, that he has shown why two consecutive Emperors chose him as their most trusted servant. You speak of new ideas and interpretations, lady Shiaari, I am afraid they are just fancy words for heresy and pride.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Buduran You speak of new ideas and interpretations, lady Shiaari, I am afraid they are just fancy words for heresy and pride. Who is more proud? The one who changes with time's inexorable flow? Or the one who stands in defiance of it?
Uilliam Nebel Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Shiaari Edited by: Shiaari on 17/04/2008 12:47:28 Originally by: Buduran You speak of new ideas and interpretations, lady Shiaari, I am afraid they are just fancy words for heresy and pride. Who is more proud? The one who moves with time's inexorable flow? Or the one who stands in defiance of it? If I might propose a few questions in reply to your question Mamn. Whom is of greater faith? The one whom bends to the whims of the chaotic forces of time and humanities willfullness against God's order? Or the one whom even though everything of this mortal world tells him that he stands before a tidal wave, holds fast to his beliefs and stays their ground? / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:33:00 - [67] Originally by: Shiaari Originally by: Khan Rodak I salute you. Just beware, changings have happened in the past. Bare in mind that a new change might get us where we already once were. Such is God's path sometimes. And sometimes change exposes you to new ideas and interpretations, as I and the Theology Council have discovered. Not everyone pass their Test of Faith. We must make His gift deserving.

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