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A few things...

1. New ships have to have a job (see: niche, specialization) that they can do that doesn't obsolete other, older ships.
2a. There are no such things as "small carriers."
2b. Capitals are banned in high-sec for many, many reasons.
3. CCP plans to add a bunch of stuff when DUST comes out (hopefully) .
4. RP-wise, it makes more economic sense to refit (or dual design) "standard" military ships for Capsuleer use than to design something strictly for Capsuleer use (remember, in the EVE universe WE are the minority).

I don't think there's been any recent additions to Eve's fleets, so I had a few ideas.

- More destroyer designs with better power and tanking abilities, maybe some bonuses towards taking down frigate fleets.
- Carriers available in high sec again (the small ones)
- Troop transports (after Dust 514 release)
- Miscellaneous ships from frigate to battleship that aren't race specific (we shouldn't all have ships that are 'replicas' of our races
military)

2. There is, carriers and super carriers. Carriers should be fine since they are only more powerful than a BS as far as defense

*snort*
Are you trolling? What about their remote repairing bonuses? Repping up 3000 to 4500 hp every 5 seconds and able to tank around 1500 to 3000 dps doesn't seem a bit OP in high-sec to you? You know that triage only increase these stats, right?

It doesn't have overwhelming firepower like the super capitals do, yet can take punishment from multiple battleships and acts like a small mobile base.

All I'm suggesting is adding this lower tier capital to high sec so that corps in the areas have a mobile BoO and mothership without making it devastating to BSs

You really are a bit simple, aren't you?
The remote repping power carriers are capable of is a massive force multiplier, and their defence (especially when spider tanking) would make them all but invulnerable. Carriers would become the be-all end-all of highsec warfare, much like supercaps are in null.



You obviously don't know the first thing about capitals, if you think letting carriers into highsec is balanced.

Edit: in fact, I just ran up a few rough figures in EFT.
2 Chimeras: 6,000 DPS tanked
3 Chimeras: 7,700 DPS tanked
5 Chimeras: 12,924 DPS tanked
Don't even get me started on the monstrosity that is the Archon.

5 Carriers isn't even a lot, my 15man corp have around 6 by ourselves. Can you even imagine the shitstorm you'd be unleashing by letting this sort of fleet out into hisec?

See, this is where you didn't even bother thinking ahead - one carrier isn't that bad, but as soon as you start throwing more in everything goes to hell.

Edit2: Oh yeah, and this is without even bringing triage into this. 16k DPS tank and ridiculous RR ability. Try killing anything in a fleet that has a few of those

The thing about it is that its meant to be the flagship in my idea. Yes they can tank extraordinarly well, but you just as easily face enemy carriers as well

but if you take out the drones they're just tanks without guns.

If nothing else, they could always implement a one carrier per user or per corp rule in high sec.

Yeah, the problem with that is the fact they won't be used so much as a flagship as 30 flagships.


No, if you take out the drones they're horrifically tanky and powerful remote rep ships with less firepower than usual that make their escorting battleship fleet stupidly hard to kill.

Seriously, how do you just not understand that drones are a distant secondary role for carriers and the real power is in the RR?

It's simple really: allowing carriers into highsec would mean that all major battles depend on nothing but who has more carriers - just like nullsec warfare depends on nothing but who can field the most supers.


Any system like this you put in can be worked around easily.

but I do wish high sec had some sort of capital ship besides battleships.

"Hey! I have one more dreadnought than you! The rest of your fleet is pointless next to me!"

And why does it need them?



Pretty much. Allowing this to spread into highsec would be the worst thing to do right now.

Oh and regarding the rest of the OP on adding a load of new ships - how about fixing the dozens of broken piles of fail we have now before adding a bunch of new stuff?

It doesn't need them per say, I'd just like to see a ship that's used more as a command ship and only available in limited numbers.

my thread is about adding what we lack.

I hope CCPs fixes some of it's broken ships, but I don't count on it.

All I'm suggesting is adding this lower tier capital to high sec so that corps in the areas have a mobile BoO and mothership without making it devastating to BSs (like super carriers, dreadnoughts, and titans)

Oneiros buff? It sounds pretty op to me already. 4 TLs and T2 Reps man, with a guardian buddy >_>
But i guess i cant really tell, i'm a logi player, but i haven't skilled the oni (yet?)

Also, why did everyone ditch my mini-carrier talk ;(
IMO The game really, really needs something about the size of an Orca, but more combat focused.
And T3 Battleships could totally be mini-carriers :S

I mean, when i saw the Orca and people talked to me about it when i started the game, i really imagined it to have tank and fittability comparable to a BS Sized Ship (except for PG of course, else you could easily turn them into neut-boats)
When i looked at the actual stats... man, i don't even understand why anyone use them anymore.
It got BS size, it's slower than a BS, but it fits worse than a cruiser. U kiddin r8 br0 ?

Something with the power of a carrier,

or even a BS with carrier base of ops capabilities, is simply to powerful in highsec. It would win any fight where the enemy didn't field one as well, and thats why we hate supercaps.

I never talked about something like remotes, or jumping, or uber triage. I just said fighters.


Somehow, i fail to see how 4 fighters (aka 400 dps) are more than a gank phoon (aka 1200 dps)


Oh and so, whats that thing about the oni?
And seriously, i still think Orca is very unbalanced in term of defensive stats... it could use a 3x hp multiplier without being too strong, imo.

No...I'm not...and I'm very aware of the ships defenses, that is exactly why im saying it deserves high sec clearance. It doesn't have overwhelming firepower like the super capitals do, yet can take punishment from multiple battleships and acts like a small mobile base.

IMO The game really, really needs something about the size of an Orca, but more combat focused.

man, i don't even understand why anyone use them anymore.

It got BS size, it's slower than a BS, but it fits worse than a cruiser. U kiddin r8 br0 ?

Yes, because highsec totally needs to be capital ships online as well. Really, this suggestion gets repeated pretty much weekly and nobody can come up with a good reason for it beyond "because".

Dear god you're a tool. The Orca is an industrial/transport/utility ship. It doesn't have the fitting for combat because it isn't designed for it.

The Orca is BS sized, and tanks LESS than a badger mk2. I take it Badgers are combat ships?

The Rorqual is capital sized, and can mount capital modules
The Orca is expensive like 3 Tier 3 BS, and fits like a cruiser.

The Orca is BS sized, and can mount cruiser modules

The Orca is BS sized, and tanks barely more than a hulk

The Orca is BS sized, and tanks LESS than a badger mk2.