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szebah II Dei Lucrii Components	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:56:00 - [1] do you guys think that maybe CCP them selfs put up the big (more then 300mill unit) sell orders of tritanium on the jita market ? My personal opinion is that there is much bigger demand for tritanium then miners can mine, so CCP uses this to suck out massive amounts of ISK from the game. We all know this is needed because there is too much 'idle' isk already.
Conrad Rock Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:00:00 - [2] CCP does this, by way of having shuttles to refine, not putting up sell orders.
Buck Reece	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:51:00 - [3] My what big nostrals you have. hmmmm. And hmmmm. Shuttles? B...
Aesynil	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:00:00 - [4] trust me, there are manufactuerers who need that much tritanium, on a weekly basis. It's -far- easier then you think.
Xonox Galatorg	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:01:00 - [5] Edited by: Xonox Galatorg on 04/04/2008 16:06:27 What he means by shuttles is that via the NPCs they are a constant price. You can refine shuttles into tritanium. Doing this they essentially put a max cap on tritanium at 3.7 or so. i.e. -Buy a shuttle -Reprocess into tritanium -Max tritanium price = price of shuttle / amount of tritanium reprocessed = about 3.7 Either way this is how tritanium is capped off. If the price gets too high you can just reprocess shuttles. EDIT: When dealing with capital ships you start dealing with this amount of tritanium. It only takes about 20-30 people (rough estimate, but it's close) all day to mine 300mil trit in highsec. This is like 8 or 9 belts worth of ore refined. These are all close estimates to give an idea of what it takes to get that much. -Xonox Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Xonox Galatorg Edited by: Xonox Galatorg on 04/04/2008 16:06:27 What he means by shuttles is that via the NPCs they are a constant price. You can refine shuttles into tritanium. Doing this they essentially put a max cap on tritanium at 3.7 or so. Not entirely true. The price of shuttles can shift upwards a bit, as all npc sold goods can.
Block Ukx KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Shadarle Not entirely true. The price of shuttles can shift upwards a bit, as all npc sold goods can. Very true! After purchasing the entire shuttle supply in the station, the shuttle price went up from 9,000 to 10,500 ISK. It took several days for the price to come back down to 9,000 ISK. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Myrdyr Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:20:00 - [8] Originally by: szebah II (more then 300mill unit) sell orders of tritanium on the jita market Originally by: Block Ukx After purchasing the entire shuttle supply in the station Mystery solved. Please post constructively. ~Saint
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:48:00 - [9] Base cost of shuttles is 10,000 ISK. No purchases for a long time -> price drops to 90% -> the "usual" 9,000 ISK Huge purchases -> price can go up to 110% -> the "trit price cap" of 11,000 ISK per shuttle 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Brisco Smiley Peppermint Bay Trading Company	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:53:00 - [10] Originally by: szebah II do you guys think that maybe CCP them selfs put up the big (more then 300mill unit) sell orders of tritanium on the jita market ? 300m is a solid stack of tritanium, but as Aesynil said, it really isn't a large amount to see changing hands. Now, 300 billion tritanium would be interesting to watch if it were near the trading price. Cheers, Brisco Smiley
Wadaya	Posted - 2008.04.04 19:13:00 - [11] I miss the old coupling arrays Wad
flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.04.05 10:25:00 - [12] I am probably reading it wrong but as i understand the question is about setting up sales orders in jita of 300million units of trit. Now i am a tradenoob and just started out but what's so strange about that?I did it a few times last week where i bought in when the trit was rather cheap for 300mille units or more and sold when it was high enough for me to make a 40mille profit out of it.I know you can make more money with that investment but as mentioned i am new so still take the lill amounts of isk that are there. So the question for this tradenoob is to understand what is so odd about this , just in case i'm missing out on something .
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.05 11:38:00 - [13] There are any number of production corps that use 1b+ trit a week. Presumably most of them have regular suppliers, but it isn't a stretch that some of them might make up shortfalls, etc buying from the market. That is probably what those sell orders are betting on. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.04.05 17:16:00 - [14] Originally by: flakeys I am probably reading it wrong but as i understand the question is about setting up sales orders in jita of 300million units of trit. Now i am a tradenoob and just started out but what's so strange about that?I did it a few times last week where i bought in when the trit was rather cheap for 300mille units or more and sold when it was high enough for me to make a 40mille profit out of it.I know you can make more money with that investment but as mentioned i am new so still take the lill amounts of isk that are there. So the question for this tradenoob is to understand what is so odd about this , just in case i'm missing out on something . Basically you're right, there is nothing weird about orders of 300 mil units of trit. I've sold orders of 1b+ pyer before, so 1b+ orders of trit shouldn't be seen as too odd.
BlondieBC	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:08:00 - [15] Is CCP still thinking about removing shuttles as a supply of trit? I know the economist talks about it. But it has not happened yet.
Blooden Guts Megacyte Mining and Manufacturing LLC	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:26:00 - [16] I doubt it has much of an effect on prices atm, since market rate for trit is usually well below 3.7 If nothing else, when it started going up relative to the other minerals, people would just change crystals and mine the junk.
Danari	Posted - 2008.04.06 22:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Silver Night There are any number of production corps that use 1b+ trit a week. I use 500-800mil a week using only 5 factory slots and I'm just a hack.
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2008.04.06 22:23:00 - [18] 300 mil trit is only, like, half a week of solid raven production. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Improve Market Competition!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 23:34:00 - [19] Ravens use like 25mil trit per run if I remember correctly and they take a bit under 4 hours per. So just round numbers, 25*6 = 150 mil trit per day, 1.05 bil trit per week to pump ravens 24/7. Of course if you don't have a good market you may have a problem selling 42 ravens/week on top of the production already going on. I am noticing some nasty price drops in a few markets right now though. So I'd imagine you'll see raven prices plunge 3-5 mill within two weeks unless those huge drops level off quickly. It's possible I just picked up a daily blip in one region, but I think it may be more than that.
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2008.04.06 23:42:00 - [20] Just watching it lately, the average price (in jita, anyway) flexes between 84 mil and 95 mil constantly, you just have to hit the waves right. If you manufacture them that is,,, Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Improve Market Competition!
FastLearner	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Shadarle Ravens use like 25mil trit per run if I remember correctly and they take a bit under 4 hours per. So just round numbers, 25*6 = 150 mil trit per day, 1.05 bil trit per week to pump ravens 24/7. Of course if you don't have a good market you may have a problem selling 42 ravens/week on top of the production already going on. I am noticing some nasty price drops in a few markets right now though. So I'd imagine you'll see raven prices plunge 3-5 mill within two weeks unless those huge drops level off quickly. It's possible I just picked up a daily blip in one region, but I think it may be more than that. You're way out on the trit used. 25 mill trit per raven would put the cost of the trit content alone per raven at around 80 million ISK. It's more like 7.5 million trit per raven.
Zorrill Great Gig in the Sky	Posted - 2008.04.07 15:39:00 - [22] Originally by: FastLearner Originally by: Shadarle Ravens use like 25mil trit per run if I remember correctly and they take a bit under 4 hours per. So just round numbers, 25*6 = 150 mil trit per day, 1.05 bil trit per week to pump ravens 24/7. Of course if you don't have a good market you may have a problem selling 42 ravens/week on top of the production already going on. I am noticing some nasty price drops in a few markets right now though. So I'd imagine you'll see raven prices plunge 3-5 mill within two weeks unless those huge drops level off quickly. It's possible I just picked up a daily blip in one region, but I think it may be more than that. You're way out on the trit used. 25 mill trit per raven would put the cost of the trit content alone per raven at around 80 million ISK. It's more like 7.5 million trit per raven. I think he's using shorthand for 25 M Isk worth of trit. 7.5M Trit ~ 25M Isk at the moment. Shadarle, do you ever post anything that isn't intended to manipulate the market? You've got me looking at this forum as a big psychological sandpit reading all your posts. Perhaps that's a good thing for my trading future.
BlondieBC	Posted - 2008.04.08 04:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Blooden Guts I doubt it has much of an effect on prices atm, since market rate for trit is usually well below 3.7 If nothing else, when it started going up relative to the other minerals, people would just change crystals and mine the junk. The impact is to prevent the huge prices spikes that can occur when there is no supply for demand. It is the difference in a person not being able to buy gas (and the resulting panic), or being able to buy unlimited quanities at a 10% premium to what a person is used to paying for gasoline.

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