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The Icefox
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.04.06 04:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Neddy Fox
I don't get it tbh...
Running a normally safe route (3 nullsec jumps) in a shuttle, with 10 mill of salvage parts on board.. Didn't care if I would loose it.
But podding, instead of ransom? Why ? I mean, he would have made 100 mill easily. Now the only thing he has is 10 mill from which most was destroyed?
Q : What's the thing with pvp players saying they're always short on money, and then don't make enough by mindless podding?
Well there could be a few reasons.
1. They just forget, as lame as that is its true I spend many an hour popping isk farmers because I despise them with a bloody passion I collect their corpses in my hanger and revel in their mass grave.... that being said I don't ransom them. So on the occasion that I do get a real player well sometimes I forget.
2. They aren't used to the concept: I knew a lot of folks in 0.0 who saw defense of their territory as just that. You kill them you don't ransom them if you need money go rat 1 mil bs spawns. So if you get some one like that into a pirate corp the idea might just not even occur to them.
3. Priming your guns to target. Good for killing ships bad for ransoming pods. Nuf said.
Honestly what it boils down to is not thinking before opening fire but hey hearing some one splat in their pod can be just as satisfying if not as lucrative as a good ransom.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Exlegion
Bookmark this thread. And when you see a whine thread on how pirating just isn't profitable link this page up. I reckon it should keep them quiet for atleast a few days.
Nobody complains about piracy being unprofitable. Everyone is warned from the start that you will die a lot and lose a lot of isk. What people DO complain about is the lack of targets in low sec. Not because they want to extort those targets for isk, but rather the fact that they want to blow them up.
but i like extortion 
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MilowFV
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:32:00 -
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Its a good thing they didnt ransom you or your post would be about getting pod after paying 100 million ISK ransom.
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Neddy Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.06 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: MilowFV
Its a good thing they didnt ransom you or your post would be about getting pod after paying 100 million ISK ransom.
Might have happened :) And no, I didn't smack, didnt even have time to say goodbey, it was that fast 
Yes, 5 months old, and slowly venturing into null, for some thrills. It's mighty fun, although I don't activily seek PVP there.
I do understand most replies now, and podding for the fun looks a valid reason. I'll just keep an eye open when he complains he has to spend weeks on his carebear alt to make money again :P
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PaRaZiTuRL
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.06 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: PaRaZiTuRL on 06/04/2008 14:48:09
Originally by: Durzel
I'm guessing the fact this thread exists is the payment.
 I would pass out more than 100m for a thread like this.Mmmmmm bear cry.
Edit: And take into account i'm poor.
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Kagu Zuchi
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Posted - 2008.04.06 15:20:00 -
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People in 0.0 generally don't ransom. They are just in it forthe kill ( or gank ) and the pod is just the cherry on top.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.04.06 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Neddy Fox
I don't get it tbh...
Running a normally safe route (3 nullsec jumps) in a shuttle, with 10 mill of salvage parts on board.. Didn't care if I would loose it.
But podding, instead of ransom? Why ? I mean, he would have made 100 mill easily. Now the only thing he has is 10 mill from which most was destroyed?
Q : What's the thing with pvp players saying they're always short on money, and then don't make enough by mindless podding?
Because even if you have 0 isk in your wallet, you KB stats/epeen is still more important.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: General Coochie
Because even if you have 0 isk in your wallet, you KB stats/epeen is still more important.
What if you have a huge epeen AND a lot of ISK?
/makes fart noise
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Lurana Lay
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:31:00 -
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Quote:
Because even if you have 0 isk in your wallet, you KB stats/epeen is still more important.
Which is the mostl lawlz thing ever, considering most KB's are rife with padding and innacuracies.
CCP needs to implement an official in-game KB, imo.
Ship type lost and killed viewable by anyone. Region/system/names/mods and other data access from the KB could be Corp or Alliance set for permissions to the appropriate people, thus negating any intel advantages enemies might recieve while viewing.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.04.06 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lurana Lay
CCP needs to implement an official in-game KB, imo.
Ship type lost and killed viewable by anyone. Region/system/names/mods and other data access from the KB could be Corp or Alliance set for permissions to the appropriate people, thus negating any intel advantages enemies might recieve while viewing.
Just so you know, everything on the killboard provides intel. Ships flown is a very good indication of what skills the pilot has and what weapons they use. Even the targets they pick tells you a bit about their tactics. System names, time zones, all very useful info.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 06/04/2008 20:09:54
For obvious reasons, ransoming at a gate/station is just not the best idea. I rarely attempt this, especially for a pod. Anywhere else though, ransoms are highly desirable.
oh, and this was 0.0? There are generally no pirates in 0.0, just people working for some assbag alliance master. Their job is to kill you and turn all possible profits over to their master, not to profit from you.
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Sans Honore
The Gallente-Heinlen Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:11:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Exlegion
Bookmark this thread. And when you see a whine thread on how pirating just isn't profitable link this page up. I reckon it should keep them quiet for atleast a few days.
No, much like you, us pirates like the sound of our own voices too much.
^^This^^
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BobTeh
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:14:00 -
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wait your posting because they didnt ransom you erm lol?
this thread deservses epic status or at least i know in future to ransom
as do all the othr pirates can i have some isk?
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Htrag
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:38:00 -
[44]
Originally by: General Coochie
Because even if you have 0 isk in your wallet, you KB stats/epeen is still more important.
true dat
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Danari
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 22:42:00 -
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Everyone has their own flavor of motivation. Mine is that to get the the earth-shattering kaboom of popping the corpse, I have to get past the squishy revolting sound of a pod getting it. But then I always preferred the chainsaw in Doom over the BFG 9000.
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Lithium Star
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Posted - 2008.04.07 05:19:00 -
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Of the 150+ poor little pods i've squished while being in death's legion only a handful have been successfully ransomed. Most of the time people...
1) don't realize they are being ransomed(dont watch chat window or local, or reject convo)
2) tell you to go **** yourself
3) don't know WTF is going on (autopilot)
4) don't have the isk
5) ask you to pod their miserable lives
6) Waste your time saying they will pay praying to whoever that they may escape in the meantime
TBH its not worth wasting time trying to ransom a pod unless your absolutely sure they have nice implants.
So here's a SUGGESTION:
If you want to pay a ransom try squeeling like a pig in local for your life, usually it works if your willing to give out iskies.
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Jones Maloy
Unified Naval Command
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:41:00 -
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why not, just not pod the person? saves ammo and they might be more willing to return to low-sec. also you gain nothing from podding them and it increases the risk:reward ratio making low-sec more unattractive. thus reducing revenu (there is no profit) for pirates.
ccp needs to change the pod squish sound to a 5 minute long annoying-as-hell alarm. that will prevent needless pod killing.
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Rumtseyes McShade
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:27:00 -
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No money can buy the pleasure of killing someone :)
It's like hunting. You do it for the trophy :)
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Karlemgne
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:30:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Neddy Fox
I don't get it tbh...
Running a normally safe route (3 nullsec jumps) in a shuttle, with 10 mill of salvage parts on board.. Didn't care if I would loose it.
But podding, instead of ransom? Why ? I mean, he would have made 100 mill easily. Now the only thing he has is 10 mill from which most was destroyed?
Q : What's the thing with pvp players saying they're always short on money, and then don't make enough by mindless podding?
LoL at getting shot in the face?
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Arazel Chainfire
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.04.07 15:18:00 -
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Whats all this about eve having sound?
I haven't heard of this...
-Arazel
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
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Ga'len
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:43:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Look, it's just easier ok?
LMAO!!!!!
That one wins the thread.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2008.04.07 22:10:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Neddy Fox
I don't get it tbh...
Running a normally safe route (3 nullsec jumps) in a shuttle, with 10 mill of salvage parts on board.. Didn't care if I would loose it.
But podding, instead of ransom? Why ? I mean, he would have made 100 mill easily. Now the only thing he has is 10 mill from which most was destroyed?
Q : What's the thing with pvp players saying they're always short on money, and then don't make enough by mindless podding?
1) Because people use ransom demands to stall whilst their backup comes
2) People often give you an earfull when you convo them making you not bother the next time
3) People say yes to the payments then try to sneak back to the gate/open fire on you
4) Often the sentry guns will be being a pain
5) Scouts will often indicate gangs incoming, so you havent got time to fart around with people going "hang on ill just speak to my corpies for a loan". You of course, never consider this - and instead write a post on the forums.
6) Alternatively the pirate may not have any scouts, so not want to fart around on the gate trying to translate some spanish dude telling him to **** off.
6)Accurate ransoming demands both a cargo scanner and a ship scanner, which might not be present in gang. Really you also need multiple webs, neuts, and ECM support to ensure the target is totally subdued. Again these might not be presnt in gang.
7) If you or your corp have hacked me off in the past, you get blow up.
8) Some dudes seem more intereseted in the killmail then the loot.
9) Often youll convo the due, he says he will pay, then starts a tortureous haggling process which lasts 5 mins whilst you gettgin shot by sentries.
9) Ransoming IS a hassell, but can be worth it - especialy now rigs are in the game. Which boost the amount the target will lose when they die (no insurance on rigs). Often people will be glad you gave them the opportunity.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.04.07 22:31:00 -
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I try to ransom as much as possiable but the fact is you can lose your ship hanging around waiting on people to transfer money. When I decide sometimes to not even try ransom or pod often enuff I get spam mail or local smack how nubby I am because I can't even pod him . That said if I decide to pod anything its my choice from xp gathered in PvP not some nub that can't figure out how to warp his pod off.
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Lurana Lay
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Posted - 2008.04.07 22:32:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Lurana Lay on 07/04/2008 22:34:58
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Lurana Lay
CCP needs to implement an official in-game KB, imo.
Ship type lost and killed viewable by anyone. Region/system/names/mods and other data access from the KB could be Corp or Alliance set for permissions to the appropriate people, thus negating any intel advantages enemies might recieve while viewing.
Just so you know, everything on the killboard provides intel. Ships flown is a very good indication of what skills the pilot has and what weapons they use. Even the targets they pick tells you a bit about their tactics. System names, time zones, all very useful info.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. But just ship loss/kill viewable by anyone probably isnt going to lose a war. The bigger threat is the endless alt spies, endless oog meta-gaming, etc.
I dunno about you, but I'd prefer a factual KB that you can count on being accurate 100%. In other words, I would like to see who is lying through their teeth and e-peening, and shed some light on all the posers, even mybe help decide which corp you want to join or hire.
Doubt it will happen though, Truth is not a priority in EVE as far as I can tell.
Regardless I'll take your word and say ok, so the official KB is only viewable by the Corp and/or Alliance, it's a start in the right direction if nothign else.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.04.08 16:50:00 -
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I pod so I can blow up the frozen corpse.
Seriously, listen to that exploding flesh sound when you pop a corpse.
I find it more satisfying than the squish sound.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.08 17:52:00 -
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If sentries were removed from the gates in lowsec, I'd ransom more. 
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Zartach Tzarszh
The Royal Engineers
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Posted - 2008.04.08 18:03:00 -
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I usualy only pod war targets and roaming gangs who enter my 0.0 turf
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Calvin Firenze
Department of Defence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
I dont ransom, I'm not in it for the ISK
I like to squish things.
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Originally by: Morrow Disca
You sir/madam, need a big cup of STFU.
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Wasted Mind
Syntech Research and Development
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Posted - 2008.04.08 21:57:00 -
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Sure i will get flamed for this but here goes. I am not a pirate, but have delt with some in the past. The ones that know what they are doing are going to ransom you (if they can). They are also the ones that don't tend to complain as much since they are making money. Most of the old timers imo know that blowing a ship or pod is far less profitable then extorting money out of a player. Squishing is fun and so is pvp in general but when doing it for a living you have to be able to survive and thus ransom is a big part of the pirate world.
I do agree with the posters that said it is situational at times (gate guns more ppl on the way ect). But the ones that make money, know they have you where they want you and your screwed for sure are going to try and extort you for cash because it is better off for them.
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del Taco
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:05:00 -
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fireworks first.
ask questions later.
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