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LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:19:00 - [1] "I'm just posting to let people know" that pending the valuation by Ricdic of some T1 BPOs I own, I will be releasing a new bond shortly. "Just wanted to post this as I know such threads are loved around here." P.S. Ricdic could you please get in the game?
EBANK Ricdic	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:42:00 - [2] Sorry you will need to find someone else for this. I don't have the time to assist you. http://www.eve-bank.net Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Amarr Citizen 155	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:43:00 - [3] Originally by: LRN "Just wanted to post this as I know such threads are loved around here." ? So why post this unless you are asking to be flamed/trolled? Originally by: LRN P.S. Ricdic could you please get in the game? I was told in the past that you can't use these forums as a means of "telling someone to get ahold of you" as it isn't a valid "market discussion". Just fyi. ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Silver Night	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:03:00 - [4] If Ricdic doesn't have time, and all they are is tech 1 stuff, I might be willing to take a look at them. Shouldn't be too hard to value something like that for purposes of security. Unless there are a ton of them? Assuming anyone here trusts me to that extent. Also, noone ever answered my Investrix question from the other thread. I know there are some spelling and grammar police around here (pointedly not looking at Shad). Someone should know. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:41:00 - [5] I'd be happy to secure your collateral for you; I could lock down the BPOs in any system where I can get an office if you want to produce from them, or I can provide you with copy slots if that's what you'd prefer. You could put an alt in my corp to do the copying if you wanted, and then in the event of a bus splat you could request help from a GM to get your BPOs back. Other people have already trusted me with blueprints of a greater total value than what you're providing - I can probably obtain a reference if necessary. I do agree that the BPOs offered do not represent 100% security, but 80% security on a 3bn isk bond is good enough for me to be interested. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I'd be happy to secure your collateral for you; I could lock down the BPOs in any system where I can get an office if you want to produce from them, or I can provide you with copy slots if that's what you'd prefer. You could put an alt in my corp to do the copying if you wanted, and then in the event of a bus splat you could request help from a GM to get your BPOs back. Other people have already trusted me with blueprints of a greater total value than what you're providing - I can probably obtain a reference if necessary. I do agree that the BPOs offered do not represent 100% security, but 80% security on a 3bn isk bond is good enough for me to be interested. We have found our trusted third party. Locking the BPOs and granting one of my production alts access to them would be great. I will have an alt apply to your corp asap. I suggest we discuss the matter of turning in the BPOs to you ingame though.
MilowFV	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:18:00 - [7] At least your not posting with yougotripped thats a good step. Well even if the value of the BPO dosnt cover the full cost of the 3 billion it will come close. I will invest 200 million (2 bonds) in the project.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 10:44:00 - [8] Originally by: MilowFV At least your not posting with yougotripped thats a good step. Well even if the value of the BPO dosnt cover the full cost of the 3 billion it will come close. I will invest 200 million (2 bonds) in the project. Thank you for your trust MilowFV. 2 bonds have been reserved to you. I would like to take the opportunity and announce the public that the BPOs provided as collateral were given to Kazuo Ishiguro and are undergoing a lock down vote as we speak.
Jareck Hunter Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2008.04.06 10:44:00 - [9] You can reserve 2 shares for me, too :-) ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^ Join public Channel "Decadence" or visit www.eve-decadence.de
Samantha Watanabe	Posted - 2008.04.06 11:20:00 - [10] The problem I see with this IPO is that you still havnt outlined a viable, sustainable business plan. I'm assuming your plan is still the one posted in the other thread. I'd be willing to invest if your plan was better than simply seeing profits decline over time.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.06 11:37:00 - [11] The BPOs have been received and a lockdown vote is currently in progress (I'm the sole shareholder in my corp). LRN's industrial alt will be granted the necessary access to build from them once the lockdown has been put into effect (I think it takes 24 hours for the vote to close). My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 11:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The BPOs have been received and a lockdown vote is currently in progress (I'm the sole shareholder in my corp). LRN's industrial alt will be granted the necessary access to build from them once the lockdown has been put into effect (I think it takes 24 hours for the vote to close). My thanks to Kazuo Ishiguro. His help has been invaluable.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 12:11:00 - [13] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 12:14:23 Originally by: Samantha Watanabe The problem I see with this IPO is that you still havnt outlined a viable, sustainable business plan. I'm assuming your plan is still the one posted in the other thread. I'd be willing to invest if your plan was better than simply seeing profits decline over time. Thank your for pointing this out to me. I understand you concern and it so happens that I've looked into the matter just a while ago trying to determine additional ways for maximizing profits. Yes the bulk of my efforts will be focused on running a region wide competitive recycling operation in a region of my choosing. Probably Lonetrek. I will use the minerals for T1 ship production and I will also be selling rigs. I will also take in named items at lower prices than Jita and just dump them there later. In addition to this as soon as I have the funds to afford it, I plan to make full use of high volume interregional trading opportunities, since I also have the means to freight goods. To that aim I will survey the local markets on a daily basis using my alts trying to appraise the market trends for exploiting possible fluctuations and I'm also opened to dealing with other producers and distributing their items wherever the demand arises. And most importantly, I'm accepting suggestions from anyone who wants to help me increase the profitability of this bond offering. Thank you in advance.
Myrdyr Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.06 13:31:00 - [14] "Let's Ripoff Now"? "Lonely Recycling Noob"? Let's really not. Please post constructively. ~Saint
Selene D'Celeste The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.04.06 14:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 06/04/2008 14:51:22 On the plus side you're looking at a more reasonable sum given your, ahem, past. I am curious about your above reply though. The heart of this is the L4 mod deal that you mentioned before. Great. So what happens if you are prevented from making any money? You listed a bunch of "future" possible ISK makers, the standard set of bread and butter that most people diversify in. Is your IPO one thing or all things? Because it sounds like you want people to invest in you, the person, and not a real business plan. And really, there are few people who can pull that off (Ionia was one, and we've seen that even then we're not guaranteed a good outcome. Famous/successful/good != infallible). So what is the real plan? Or are you just grasping at legitimacy? If you're really trying, then go all of the way.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 15:17:00 - [16] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 15:20:08 I've been playing this game for quite some time as I'm sure you know. I am by no means broke right now and the funds raised via this bond will only serve to expand my previous operations. What I've outlined in the business plan is in fact a course of action, a series of steps that I will follow during the development of my trading operations and as I accumulate more capital. In the end I will invest more into passive ways of making isk but that's beyond the scope of this bond. It is safe to assume that for now, at least the first steps mainly the mission loot recycling operation section falls within the lifetime of the bond. I will post weekly reports as to the state of my operations but since this is a bond, the profitability issue is mainly my own concern (considering that running L4 missions for 60m per day minimum, the 210m monthly return to the investors poses no challenge to me). I could also pay the interest in advance to the third party if that's really necessary. But really Selene, since you are running your own recycling operation in Citadel I was hoping you'd be less of a skeptic.
Samantha Watanabe Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.06 15:30:00 - [17] The fact that you're relying on mission running and other things outside the scope of the bond suggest that you expect the bond itself to not be profitable somehow. What is it that you're doing here anyway? If you don't expect a reprocessing bond to be profitable then why don't you open a mission running bond and have people fund a badass CNR of doom? I want to invest in something like this, but I want that something I invest into to be the sole focus of the bond and to have a plan for real profitability along the lines laid out in the business plan. It looks like youve got too many external contingencies planned out for anything but non-profitability to be your plan, so what is really going on?
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2008.04.06 15:46:00 - [18] YouGotRipped, or whatever he's calling himself lately, is a troll that has repeatedly failed at raising public capital thanks initially to his trolling and later to his indirect admittance that his early attempts were scams. He has so thoroughly destroyed his public reputation that he could not even get a secured public loan. Aside from being a scammer and a troll, he has made quite a few unfounded attacks on members of this forum, particularly Ricdic. Since I have no public ventures for him to try to discredit he ripped off my sig in an effort to associate me with his scamming and trolling. After having it up for a month he took it down this week as part of his extremely belated attempt to clean up his image. YouGotRipped is not here to conduct serious business, he visits this forum purely to amuse himself which comes in two forms, insulting members of MD and trying to scam members of MD. I strongly encourage you all to read his last attempt at raising capital and invest accordingly. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:05:00 - [19] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 16:05:30 Originally by: Samantha Watanabe The fact that you're relying on mission running and other things outside the scope of the bond suggest that you expect the bond itself to not be profitable somehow. I'd suggest you take a look at my skills and then ask yourself why I have trained the prerequisites for lossless recycling, lossless production etc. Is that consistent with someone that intends to run missions to ensure a petty 210m return per month? That line is there as a last resort and bearing investors best interest in mind. It's a reassurance not a confirmation of the fact that I run missions for a living. Originally by: Samantha Watanabe What is it that you're doing here anyway? If you don't expect a reprocessing bond to be profitable then why don't you open a mission running bond and have people fund a badass CNR of doom? Right now I'm buying minerals and salvage parts and producing ships and rigs. If I were to buy and recycle modules to obtain the minerals my profits would be greater. But since I only have 2B in my wallet it is more efficient to buy minerals directly than wait for orders to fill and then recycle. It's a matter of profit/time. As soon as I get the funding I will be able to buy high quantities of modules fast and the profit will be much greater. Originally by: Samantha Watanabe I want to invest in something like this, but I want that something I invest into to be the sole focus of the bond and to have a plan for real profitability along the lines laid out in the business plan. As for profitability, Selene can tell you he's making 500m a day on a similar recycling - production operation in Citadel. Lonetrek does not have a comparable mission runner population to provide returns but then again the competition in Citadel is higher than Lonetrek, however using a past 2B bond I was only able to double the amount in just one month with limited effort. So Lonetrek definitely has potential and I'm going to exploit that. Originally by: Samantha Watanabe It looks like youve got too many external contingencies planned out for anything but non-profitability to be your plan, so what is really going on? Just read my above reply to Selene, those external contingencies are in fact a sequence of steps that I will tackle one by one.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:14:00 - [20] I won't be touching this with a 10 foot pole. Even if there was 150% security I wouldn't touch it. Someone has to deserve investment, LRN/YouGotRipped most definitely does not.
Selene D'Celeste The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:17:00 - [21] It would also help if you didn't take my numbers out of context, you shouldn't oversell the potential to your investors here. That was from the EBANK workshop as a "theoretically maintainable number" that involved no less than 4 business ventures combined. I said then that I wasn't going to give out real numbers/information on any business that I am involved in, so don't sugar coat it for "your investors" please =)
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 17:42:00 - [22] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 17:43:01 Originally by: Shadarle I won't be touching this with a 10 foot pole. Even if there was 150% security I wouldn't touch it. Someone has to deserve investment, LRN/YouGotRipped most definitely does not. That of course is your choice. Since I have proven I have the skills and the means to achieve what I said, it's pretty much malevolence on your side to accept that.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:02:00 - [23] Originally by: LRN however using a past 2B bond I was only able to double the amount in just one month with limited effort. Can you answer a simple question. If you are able to double 2b in one month, why do you need to get a 3b loan? You have been posting here for quite a while now, in that time if you could truly double 2b in a month you should have little need for a piddling 3b loan.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN however using a past 2B bond I was only able to double the amount in just one month with limited effort. Can you answer a simple question. If you are able to double 2b in one month, why do you need to get a 3b loan? You have been posting here for quite a while now, in that time if you could truly double 2b in a month you should have little need for a piddling 3b loan. I'll give you some time to think about it. If you can't see the answer in the end I will help you.
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:18:00 - [25] Here's a classic that never gets old, throwing unfounded allegations at your competition. Yet more evidence that you're not here to conduct business but rather to troll this forum. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:20:00 - [26] Originally by: LRN Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN however using a past 2B bond I was only able to double the amount in just one month with limited effort. Can you answer a simple question. If you are able to double 2b in one month, why do you need to get a 3b loan? You have been posting here for quite a while now, in that time if you could truly double 2b in a month you should have little need for a piddling 3b loan. I'll give you some time to think about it. If you can't see the answer in the end I will help you. How about you stop fishing for an answer and give me one. If you want to show people you are forthright then stop floundering around, give me a straight answer. Why do you need such a tiny loan if you're so good at making money?
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:21:00 - [27] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:23:19 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN however using a past 2B bond I was only able to double the amount in just one month with limited effort. Can you answer a simple question. If you are able to double 2b in one month, why do you need to get a 3b loan? You have been posting here for quite a while now, in that time if you could truly double 2b in a month you should have little need for a piddling 3b loan. I'll give you some time to think about it. If you can't see the answer in the end I will help you. How about you stop fishing for an answer and give me one. If you want to show people you are forthright then stop floundering around, give me a straight answer. Why do you need such a tiny loan if you're so good at making money? I suggest you reread the bond offering. You'll see that I've provided a link to my skills. Now why would I do that unless I was trying to prove all along that I'm not a scammer? I may despise stupidity but that's another matter entirely.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:26:00 - [28] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:23:19 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN however using a past 2B bond I was only able to double the amount in just one month with limited effort. Can you answer a simple question. If you are able to double 2b in one month, why do you need to get a 3b loan? You have been posting here for quite a while now, in that time if you could truly double 2b in a month you should have little need for a piddling 3b loan. I'll give you some time to think about it. If you can't see the answer in the end I will help you. How about you stop fishing for an answer and give me one. If you want to show people you are forthright then stop floundering around, give me a straight answer. Why do you need such a tiny loan if you're so good at making money? I suggest you reread the bond offering. You'll see that I've provided a link to my skills. Now why would I do that unless I was trying to prove all along that I'm not a scammer? I may despise stupidity but that's another matter entirely. Yet again you are avoiding the question. I didn't ask about your skills. Stop fishing for a "good" answer and give us an honest answer. Why do you need a 3b loan when you are so good at making money? Why won't you give a straight up honest answer to this?
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:28:00 - [29] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:29:54 Indeed I was able to turn a 2B bond into 4B but having 5B and Margin trading 4 is even better. How's that? I was short on money even then and I had to haul stuff every day. Hopefully that will change now. Or maybe not.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:41:00 - [30] Now, can you spare 3B of your 300 for me? If not I hope that at least your 10foot pole has shortened.
Selene D'Celeste The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:50:00 - [31] One last comment from me unless you bring me into this again. I'm just wondering that, given how much joy you have taken from griefing others on here in the past, if you at least feel some sort of bitter amusement at placing yourself (of your own will, nonetheless) in the same position on at least two occasions? Just saying. Can't have it both ways you know =P Unless you're into that sort of thing, I guess.
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:56:00 - [32] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:29:54 Indeed I was able to turn a 2B bond into 4B but having 5B and Margin trading 4 is even better. How's that? I was short on money even then and I had to haul stuff every day. Hopefully that will change now. Or maybe not. Ok, but that doesn't explain why you still only have 2b isk. You wanted to launch your first bond nearly 2 months ago. In that time should you not have doubled your money twice? At least from 2b into 4b then into 6b? Even if you consider paying back the 2b loan that would leave you with 4b now. Assuming you couldn't make more with 4b than you could with 2b, if you could then you should have closer to 5b now, not counting this 3b loan. In fact, reading your original post it would seem you had turned 2b in 4.5b, you did this before you even tried to launch your past IPO (2 months ago). If this is true then why couldn't you turn your own 2.5b into 5b and then into 7.5b (at the least) in the 2 months between then and now. And if so why do you claim you still only have 2b isk (which when you add this 3b makes the 5b you just mentioned). Were you unable to make this same profit? Did you lose a lot of money somehow?
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:02:00 - [33] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 19:04:16 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:29:54 Indeed I was able to turn a 2B bond into 4B but having 5B and Margin trading 4 is even better. How's that? I was short on money even then and I had to haul stuff every day. Hopefully that will change now. Or maybe not. Ok, but that doesn't explain why you still only have 2b isk. You wanted to launch your first bond nearly 2 months ago. In that time should you not have doubled your money twice? At least from 2b into 4b then into 6b? Even if you consider paying back the 2b loan that would leave you with 4b now. Assuming you couldn't make more with 4b than you could with 2b, if you could then you should have closer to 5b now, not counting this 3b loan. In fact, reading your original post it would seem you had turned 2b in 4.5b, you did this before you even tried to launch your past IPO (2 months ago). If this is true then why couldn't you turn your own 2.5b into 5b and then into 7.5b (at the least) in the 2 months between then and now. And if so why do you claim you still only have 2b isk (which when you add this 3b makes the 5b you just mentioned). Were you unable to make this same profit? Did you lose a lot of money somehow? Yes. I've petitioned it and managed to recover about 70% of the value of the ship. I'm surprised that you don't remember. What you don't know is that I haven't sold the remaining ship but chose to refit it.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:21:00 - [34] Originally by: LRN Yes. I've petitioned it and managed to recover about 70% of the value of the ship. I'm surprised that you don't remember. What you don't know is that I haven't sold the remaining ship but chose to refit it. LOL. Now I remember that. Quite funny actually. Knowing you let your friends, with crappy computers, play for you certainly gives me confidence in investing with you! But that still doesn't really answer why you have so little money. In your initial IPO you claimed to have been playing for quite a while and to have been a trader for a while. So I still don't understand how you never made more money. It wouldn't be an issue if you didn't play up how amazingly good you are at making money and if you didn't constantly insult everyone on these forums for being idiots. The thing is, you actually admitted you were planning to scam with your IPO. That was a big mistake considering you were thinking about re-launching. Generally telling people you were going to scam them and then asking for their money a month later is not the smartest move. It's also probably not wise to insult every member of this forum and then ask the very same people for money. I notice you are trying pretty darn hard in this particular thread to be civil, perhaps if you had tried equally hard over the last two months you'd get a lot more support. Unfortunately you've spent the last two months as the #1 troll on these forums. Every post you make is an attack on Ricdic, myself, or some other member of this community. You've added nothing but flames. You should realize that your own actions are the basis for which you will be judged. Your own words will as well. In these two areas you are in bad shape. I said a 10 foot pole, I should have said 100 foot. If you do not scam this time you will scam next time or the next time. This is my opinion based on your personality and the way you respond to questions. It was like pulling teeth to get a simple answer here.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:36:00 - [35] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 19:42:01 Hahah, that sure took you some time to write. How do you feel now? To answer you and Selene, I don't regret anything in my entire life. In fact, I've decided to play your little game all along and I was really curious to see if, in the end, you could get a hold of yourself and surpass your limitations. Yes, we do not share the same values and I might not agree with everything you posted there. Your interpretation of some of my posts might be lacking. Despite all this I hold no contempt or grudge for you nor will I take it upon myself to show you otherwise.
EBANK Ricdic	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:48:00 - [36] This guy has to be General Starscream. http://www.eve-bank.net Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:51:00 - [37] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 19:51:26 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic This guy has to be General Starscream. maybe not But this guy is surely Ricdic. hahah
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:58:00 - [38] Originally by: LRN I don't regret anything in my entire life. Wow, quite a claim. You sound like a politician. By that I mean, you are not telling the truth. Originally by: LRN In fact, I've decided to play your little game all along and I was really curious to see if, in the end, you could get a hold of yourself and surpass your limitations. What a shocker, you are saying that the vast array of reasons I've given for people to be wary of you are "limitations" on my behalf. There is a good reason you aren't going to try to convince me otherwise, because what I've said is all true and you know you have no defense. You're just hoping to find some gullible people here willing to trust you.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 20:02:00 - [39] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 20:03:16 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN I don't regret anything in my entire life. Wow, quite a claim. You sound like a politician. By that I mean, you are not telling the truth. Originally by: LRN In fact, I've decided to play your little game all along and I was really curious to see if, in the end, you could get a hold of yourself and surpass your limitations. What a shocker, you are saying that the vast array of reasons I've given for people to be wary of you are "limitations" on my behalf. There is a good reason you aren't going to try to convince me otherwise, because what I've said is all true and you know you have no defense. You're just hoping to find some gullible people here willing to trust you. You really should try reading some Zen for a while. I promise it will change your life.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 20:56:00 - [40] STATUS 26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: MilowFV 2 bonds Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
Samantha Watanabe	Posted - 2008.04.06 21:41:00 - [41] You still havn't reasonably answered a number of questions that have been brought up. Allright, theres that suicide gank against you that may or may not have happened. It never showed up on the Tri board so I decided to take it at face value. As far as I know no one besides you has confirmed it. If you can get someone to independently verify that the incident happened I'll believe you. But that still doesnt explain the concern about why you havn't been working with the isk you currently have, or why you need a 3 billion isk loan to augment that. And what are you planning on doing to ensure that this reprocessing you propose to do in Lonetrek becomes a meaningful long term venture? As I said earlier, the tone in your previous postings, as well as the contingencies you've laid out all underscore what I believe to be you bracing for venture that may or may not in fact be profitable. I'm still not satisfied at all, and you are doing a very good job at dodging the questions that are being tossed at you.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.06 21:50:00 - [42] Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 21:52:57 Originally by: Samantha Watanabe You still havn't reasonably answered a number of questions that have been brought up. Allright, theres that suicide gank against you that may or may not have happened. It never showed up on the Tri board so I decided to take it at face value. As far as I know no one besides you has confirmed it. If you can get someone to independently verify that the incident happened I'll believe you. But that still doesnt explain the concern about why you havn't been working with the isk you currently have, or why you need a 3 billion isk loan to augment that. And what are you planning on doing to ensure that this reprocessing you propose to do in Lonetrek becomes a meaningful long term venture? As I said earlier, the tone in your previous postings, as well as the contingencies you've laid out all underscore what I believe to be you bracing for venture that may or may not in fact be profitable. I'm still not satisfied at all, and you are doing a very good job at dodging the questions that are being tossed at you. And you are doing a very good job at ignoring my answers and posting flame bait despite the fact that this being a secured bond I do not have to go into such details. I can afford losing you as a potential investor. Bye.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.06 22:05:00 - [43] STATUS 26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: * MilowFV 2 bonds * Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.07 03:02:00 - [44] Originally by: LRN STATUS 26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: * MilowFV 2 bonds * Jareck Hunter 2 bonds 7% interest? More like no interest amirite? Originally by: Shadarle Unfortunately you've spent the last two months as the #1 troll on these forums. I don't think he qualifies as #1 troll in either volume or quality, but I might be biased in that perspective... Also I thought CCP were nerfing mission loot? Please post constructively. ~Saint
Raskor	Posted - 2008.04.07 03:40:00 - [45] Originally by: LRN despite the fact that this being a secured BOND I do not have to go into such details. In light of recent events, I think this idea that a bond seeker doesn't need to provide details is very flawed. Your ability to repay the bond and all promised interest is critical. Especially when your offered collateral may even be worth less, at least for a quick liquidation, than the amount you are asking to borrow. Originally by: LRN I can afford losing you as a potential investor. Given in all this time you have found only 2 people willing to take a chance on you, I think nothing could be further from the truth. Congratulations. You have managed to successfully poison your own offering. Again.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.07 05:16:00 - [46] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 05:24:23 Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 05:17:13 Yes indeed, I've already posted a link to my skills that proves I have the means to achieve what the bond offering is all about (those skills in particular the prerequisites for Scrap metal processing take a lot of time to train as I'm sure everyone knows), and I've stated that it is not the first time I'm undertaking a recycling operation, I've also answered to the question as to why I need the 3B when it would be possible to run my operation without further capital infusion, I suggest you to reread the entire thread and not to post on the spur of the moment. Originally by: Myrdyr I don't think he qualifies as #1 troll in either volume or quality, but I might be biased in that perspective... Also I thought CCP were nerfing mission loot? I understand there are those that blame me for their poor performance or pointing flaws in their logic which in their view qualifies as trolling on these forums. With all do respect to those dear people I believe their overgrown ego is preventing them from clearly perceiving the facts.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.07 05:37:00 - [47] You don't deserve any form of public investment. I would put more faith in the Jita local spammers offering to give me 10x my money back.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 05:43:00 - [48] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 05:43:37 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic You don't deserve any form of public investment. I would put more faith in the Jita local spammers offering to give me 10x my money back. But you do have faith in yourself and we've seen what your C-R-A dividends looked like, and most importantly the reasons you gave for that: "lazed off", "weren't on the ball", distracted by other projects. You clearly are in no position to judge others when you failed so miserably at your own business.
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2008.04.07 05:46:00 - [49] Is YouGotRipped really a troll? Well, in his previous thread the mods sure thought he was trolling, Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned OP please do not troll your own thread I've wasted enough time demonstrating why people shouldn't invest in him but for those of you looking for a few good laughs I suggest you eve-search him. If you can get past how obnoxious some of his trolling has been you'll actually find some very amusing tidbits like him constantly changing how much ISK he claims to have, claiming he can easily make much more ISK than he has asked for or now claims to have, making up stories about suicide ganking and, my favorite, indirectly admitting his early attempts at raising capital were part of a scam. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.07 05:59:00 - [50] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 06:03:56 My isk amount has changed because I've actually invested in BPOs. Amazing isn't it? Originally by: Kwint Sommer [...] my favorite, indirectly admitting his early attempts at raising capital were part of a scam. You seem to be very productive at pasting truncated posts etc. Why not post the link where I allegedly admitted to my intention of scamming maybe I can clear that one out for you, cause you sure seem to have problem grasping the meaning of my post. Like I said before, I would very much like to see the discussion focussed around the feasibility of my plan and why I wouldn't be able to provide the 7% return to my investors despite my skills and my experience in the field. Sharing your lamentations and forecasts of doom based on no evidence whatsoever and even worst resulting to "ad hominem" arguments will only prove your limitations.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:10:00 - [51] Originally by: LRN But you do have faith in yourself and we've seen what your C-R-A dividends looked like, and most importantly the reasons you gave for that: "lazed off", "weren't on the ball", distracted by other projects. You clearly are in no position to judge others when you failed so miserably at your own business. Absolutely. I am not afraid to admit my shortcomings and I done so in the aforementioned thread. You on the other hand think you are God and everything you do is peachy clean. I wonder if you are acting like this in an attempt to troll or if you really have some form of illness that stops you from seeing the obvious. Quote: Like I said before, I would very much like to see the discussion focussed around the feasibility of my plan and why I wouldn't be able to provide the 7% return to my investors despite my skills and my experience in the field. So would I, starting with you answering the questions put forth to you by Shadarle in this thread multiple times. You instead chose to bypass questions. You have failed to provide any operational data except your skills listings (which frankly I could show the same on 7 characters). Answer the questions, provide your API to someone so they can see that you do indeed engage in trade, and to see performance variables on your service. Quote: Sharing your lamentations and forecasts of doom based on no evidence whatsoever and even worst resulting to "ad hominem" arguments will only prove your limitations. Actually your failure to respond to any requests means the onus is on you to prove your legitimacy. Thus far you have failed miserable. Over here in the investment world you are guilty until proven innocent. You will need to learn and understand that sooner or later however I believe it's already too late for you. On a 500% secured loan with a 20% per month interest rate I wouldn't go near you on principle alone. You are completely unsuited to running a public operation, you have terrible PR skills and cannot even validate your claims. Maybe the same could be said for me due to deficiencies in some of my public ventures at various points. However I am not the one asking for public capital. When I ask for it people generally provide it. That's one of the differences between you and me. I have proven I can handle public operations. You have only proven you are a loose cannon and investing in you is a mistake waiting to happen.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:14:00 - [52] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 06:14:12 Your first post in this thread stated that you do not have time to assist me. Could it be that your posting now is aimed at discrediting me rather than helping? Just reread your C-R-A thread Ricdic. The answers are there.
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:14:00 - [53] Originally by: LRN But you do have faith in yourself and we've seen what your C-R-A dividends looked like, and most importantly the reasons you gave for that: "lazed off", "weren't on the ball", distracted by other projects. You clearly are in no position to judge others when you failed so miserably at your own business. Originally by: LRN [...] you sure seem to have problem grasping the meaning of my post. Originally by: LRN [...] prove your limitations. Originally by: LRN [...] resulting (resorting?) to "ad hominem" arguments [...] Interesting points you make there good buddy. More pertinently, do you not think it is wise to provide more substantial securities (easily liquifiable* into more than the bond amount) given the, I think even you will agree, widespread lack of confidence in your offering? If it wasn't a word before, it is now. That first quote, just by-the-by, could almost be out of a philosophy of logic textbook as an example* of an ad hominem argument. I mean, read the last sentence of it for gods sakes. It might qualify for a couple of the other basic argumentative fallacies as well of course. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:26:00 - [54] "Murderer of (his own) Frigates." No comment.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:32:00 - [55] Originally by: LRN "Murderer of (his own) Frigates." No comment. Wow, you counter a topic by commenting on something in a person's sig. Congratulations Mr. NextWorldPresident. Improve Market Competition!
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:33:00 - [56] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 06:35:10 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Originally by: LRN "Murderer of (his own) Frigates." No comment. Wow, you counter a topic by commenting on something in a person's sig. Congratulations Mr. NextWorldPresident. Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 06:44:00 - [57] STATUS 26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: MilowFV 2 bonds Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:09:00 - [58] Originally by: LRN Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering. Oh, like the questions posed by Shadarle and myself that you failed to bother answering? GTFOOMDForums
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:10:00 - [59] Originally by: LRN Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering. Obviously you can't as you haven't. How about you go back and answer the questions people ask instead of insulting them and dodging the questions.
Selene D'Celeste The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:15:00 - [60] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic GTFOOMDForums I love you in the only way that a man can love an aussie, which means I barely tolerate you, which is still more than you deserve. =) (I liked the acronym =P)
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:18:00 - [61] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 08:33:04 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: LRN Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering. Obviously you can't as you haven't. How about you go back and answer the questions people ask instead of insulting them and dodging the questions. You mean like you bashing noobs all day? while I can produce evidence that I've actually helped beginners more than once and answered their questions posted in the MD forum despite my "trolling" reputation? I will entrust Kazuo Ishiguro with my API key to have a look at my dealings for himself if that's really necessary.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:41:00 - [62] Originally by: LRN You mean like you bashing noobs all day? while I can produce evidence that I've actually helped beginners more than once and answered their questions posted in the MD forum despite my "trolling" reputation? 1) The thread you linked showing Shadarle bashing noobs actually showed Shadarle giving good advice to the noob, his bashing was of an established player (read: not a noob). 2) You had an agenda. The agenda was to gain presence in MD, make it look like you were participating and then profit off investors (maybe to scam, maybe not). Either way it has backfired. In case you didn't notice, those noobs you helped aren't investing in you today either...
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:56:00 - [63] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:04:31 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic 1) The thread you linked showing Shadarle bashing noobs actually showed Shadarle giving good advice to the noob, his bashing was of an established player (read: not a noob). Giving a straight answer and seeming quite irritated when doing so doesn't help. If you really want to help you'll detail your reasoning. You probably know the saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. But then again maybe you don't. That's not the only evidence I can produce to Shadarle's bitterness. Want more? Originally by: EBANK Ricdic 2) You had an agenda. The agenda was to gain presence in MD, make it look like you were participating and then profit off investors (maybe to scam, maybe not). Either way it has backfired. In case you didn't notice, those noobs you helped aren't investing in you today either... I could explain to you the basics of non-attachment but I doubt it will help you a bit. Irrespective of the outcome of this bond offering I will still be here and post in the forums, it is something you will have to deal with.
EBANK Ricdic	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:12:00 - [64] Originally by: LRN Giving a straight answer and seeming quite irritated when doing so doesn't help. If you really want to help you'll detail your reasoning. You probably know the saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. But then again maybe you don't. You should try and practice what you preach. You try to discredit Shadarle in some way when you yourself have probably bashed or attacked 50 people this week alone in these forums. Do you know the meaning of a hypocrite? Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Irrespective of the outcome of this bond offering I will still be here and post in the forums, it is something you will have to deal with. And I will also remain here to ensure people understand their funds are far safer invested in DragonRiderTAO http://www.eve-bank.net Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:14:00 - [65] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:17:44 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic You should try and practice what you preach. You try to discredit Shadarle in some way when you yourself have probably bashed or attacked 50 people this week alone in these forums. Do you know the meaning of a hypocrite? Yes and I also know what a waste of time would be dealing with bald guys that are determined to discredit you no matter what and the benefit of providing my API key to a third party to audit my dealings.
Samantha Watanabe	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:29:00 - [66] Providing your API key isn't going to reveal any crucial info. Going back through your last thread, you've demonstrated that you have an army of alts at your disposal. Its a simple matter to trade something to those alt to hide an asset. And then if you suddenly decide to stab your investors in the back you can just press the button that resets the key, or if you forgot to do that we might get the name of the character you ship all the isk off to. Really, it just doesn't matter. You've shown yourself time and time again in this thread and countless others before it to be a person of such low moral standing that anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn't put it past you to rob people in broad daylight. I'm sorry that I wasted my time earlier thinking that it might be interesting to invest in such a venture as yours, but until I am reprocessed to make room for a more useful character on this account I will join the MD regulars in denouncing your every venture from now on.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:32:00 - [67] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:41:07 Originally by: Samantha Watanabe Providing your API key isn't going to reveal any crucial info. Going back through your last thread, you've demonstrated that you have an army of alts at your disposal. Its a simple matter to trade something to those alt to hide an asset. And then if you suddenly decide to stab your investors in the back you can just press the button that resets the key, or if you forgot to do that we might get the name of the character you ship all the isk off to. Really, it just doesn't matter. You've shown yourself time and time again in this thread and countless others before it to be a person of such low moral standing that anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn't put it past you to rob people in broad daylight. I'm sorry that I wasted my time earlier thinking that it might be interesting to invest in such a venture as yours, but until I am reprocessed to make room for a more useful character on this account I will join the MD regulars in denouncing your every venture from now on. The door is that way, troll. Member of Science and Trade institute for 1 year, -0.1 personal standing, disliked by Concord -0.05, no other standings. Send my regards to Selene.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:43:00 - [68] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:44:31 Please not that Samantha Watanabe is a troll, any post she made is not to be taken into consideration.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:54:00 - [69] STATUS 26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: [list] MilowFV 2 bonds Jareck Hunter 2 bonds [/list
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:57:00 - [70] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:49:45 Please note that Samantha Watanabe is a troll, any post she made is not to be taken into consideration. Actually, she was a potential investor and then she saw your true colors. Likely much like everyone else who has clicked this thread.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:04:00 - [71] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 12:08:42 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:49:45 Please note that Samantha Watanabe is a troll, any post she made is not to be taken into consideration. Actually, she was a potential investor and then she saw your true colors. Likely much like everyone else who has clicked this thread. Just like the time when your gut told you that Riethe's plan was a sound one after he socially engineered you and many more blunders you're unwilling to take credit for. Of course that since you posted your choice to invest and dragged Ebank into it your example was contagious and in the end it was the investors that payed dearly cause like you said on previous occasions 2B didn't mean anything for you. Perhaps I should repost your dialog with Riethe for everyone to appraise your reasoning. hahah The sooner you're willing to accept your limitations and act accordingly the better it is for EVERYONE.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:13:00 - [72] You really are a fool Originally by: LRN Of course that since you posted your choice to invest and dragged Ebank into it your example was contagious and in the end it was the investors that payed dearly cause like you said on previous occasions 2B didn't mean anything for you. 1) We have no investors 2) I repaid that 2b out of my own wallet as I felt I hadn't done sufficient research on the person in question. Quote: Perhaps I should repost your dialog with Riethe for everyone to appraise your reasoning. hahah Absolutely. Post the one convo I had that Riethe aired which had approx 12 lines of data, and as he did, bypass the other 5 or so convo's i had with him that lasted quite a few hours. Anyway, this isn't about me, its about YOU. Stop trying to take the focus off yourself. You are the one asking for public money, you should cut the crap, grow up, and maybe try to defend yourself rather than attacking everyone else. As above, your data was incorrect as per normal and taken out of context, precisely the same way you believe your admittance to scam has been taken out of context. Anyone giving funds to this child deserves what's coming to them.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:33:00 - [73] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 12:36:08 This whole thread relates to the feasibility of a bond offering whose business plan I've outlined from the beginning. That's what I'm willing to discuss. It has nothing to do with my person. However I believe that your flawed judgment should be taken into consideration since you've taken the liberty to make gloomy forecasts on no evidence whatsoever and also resorted to ad hominem arguments. I believe the community deserves to know what your limitations are. You say you payed the 2B out of your own pocked and refunded Ebank, you should have payed the entire 40B Riethe scammed from the investors with your help, you TOOL. Letting your own personal feelings interfering with your reasoning is a detrimental flaw and one that you should have taken into account before deciding to post in this thread.
Riethe	Posted - 2008.04.07 13:07:00 - [74] Psst, LRN. You're supposed to go postal and call the most popular guy here a tool after you get the money. You're doing it all wrong.
jna Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.04.07 13:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Riethe Psst, LRN. You're supposed to go postal and call the most popular guy here a tool after you get the money. You're doing it all wrong. Made me lol. ------------------------------------------------- When Carebears Attack! <-- Hulk PvP video
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Riethe Psst, LRN. You're supposed to go postal and call the most popular guy here a tool after you get the money. You're doing it all wrong. Well put sir. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:38:00 - [77] Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 14:50:00 Originally by: Kwint Sommer Well put sir. Well trolled sir. Though 3 words... that's pretty cheap coming from an established troll like yourself. Just wondering if you haven't misplaced you brain again.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.07 17:44:00 - [78] To the top. The foundation and discipline of a market guru.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.07 18:49:00 - [79] Quote: Yes, the bulk of my efforts will be focused on running a region wide competitive L4 mission loot recycling operation in a region of my choosing. Probably Lonetrek. Lonetrek is probably not your best choice, seeing as how for most 'good' L4 mission recyle orders a couple people have already come in and placed quite high region wide buy orders. There are much better opportunities elswhere. And don't limit yourself to caldari space. In my experience other places farther from jita tend to have more advantageous opportunities.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.07 18:58:00 - [80] Edited by: Shadarle on 07/04/2008 18:59:47 Originally by: LRN This whole thread relates to the feasibility of a bond offering whose business plan I've outlined from the beginning. That's what I'm willing to discuss. It has nothing to do with my person. So if Riethe posted a good business plan here people should invest as it has nothing to do with the person? If GeneralStarscream posted a good plan people should invest? The person is the most important part of any plan. A good person will make a good investment 90% of the time, the same is not true of a good plan. A good plan can't make a scammer not a scammer and it can't make you a good investment. The fact that you refuse to answer questions about your plan only reinforces the problems you are having.
Silver Night	Posted - 2008.04.07 20:26:00 - [81] I'll forgive you for bringing up my poor, poor frigates in response to your blatant and continuing hypocrisy as you have no idea the pain their many, many tiny little deaths have caused me (I'm like a one man goon swarm without the 'special humor' tbh) I'm glad to see you have taken people's advice and brought your offering more in line with the collateral. Whether your goal is a scam in the future, or further businesses run legitimately it is a good step. As it stands (unless we think the person holding them is an alt of his too?) the reasons not to invest go from being immediate and practical (Scam) to the less compelling 'giving him legitimacy might bring future problems.' Well played, and perhaps not too little to late given the above average returns. I would invest at this point, just so I could try and get a return on the time I've blown in your threads (though to be fair I get a certain amount of recreational utility out of it), if only I wasn't so desperately poor. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:20:00 - [82] Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 07/04/2008 18:59:47 Originally by: LRN This whole thread relates to the feasibility of a bond offering whose business plan I've outlined from the beginning. That's what I'm willing to discuss. It has nothing to do with my person. So if Riethe posted a good business plan here people should invest as it has nothing to do with the person? If GeneralStarscream posted a good plan people should invest? The person is the most important part of any plan. A good person will make a good investment 90% of the time, the same is not true of a good plan. A good plan can't make a scammer not a scammer and it can't make you a good investment. The fact that you refuse to answer questions about your plan only reinforces the problems you are having. Shadarle, here boy, pay attention: I'm lowering the number of available bonds from 30 to 25 way below the value of the collateral and I'm increasing the return to 8%. If this doesn't convince anyone then I guess there's nothing I can do. Good boy. The foundation and discipline of a market guru.
Priest Amarr Temple's Gate	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:23:00 - [83] The chances LNR will go legit with this bond is higher than a brand new person coming here to ask for money. I am watching conversations and seeing that LNR wants to show everybody he can manage to pay back a bond even if he cant make any money trading , there is a great chance he will do some missions , ratting or mining to put together interest in case he already doesn't have it. The problem is this whole banking, bonds and IPO business is not a necessity but an activity people enjoy to do in Eve. Nobody really invest his one billion isk into these kind of projects for earning 70 million isk back in one month. That money can be made in a short time if thats the concern. People invest their money because they enjoy it, this whole MD forum is based on people enjoys investment. Thats why emotions play a bigger role than actual profit when it comes to MD investments in Eve. If people dont like LNR enough, the return he is promising might become irrelevant. Whoever wants to be successful in this business, they need good people skills first and trading skills later since possible investors are usually willing to accept lower returns if they are happy the way you manage your investment and relations. I do not know LNR well enough to bless this project nor I can accuse him for anything. All I see he wants to prove everybody he can manage a bond but people are not happy with the way they are treated by him. May peace be upon you Priest Amarr
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:24:00 - [84] Edited by: LRN on 08/04/2008 02:25:07 Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Yes, the bulk of my efforts will be focused on running a region wide competitive L4 mission loot recycling operation in a region of my choosing. Probably Lonetrek. Lonetrek is probably not your best choice, seeing as how for most 'good' L4 mission recyle orders a couple people have already come in and placed quite high region wide buy orders. There are much better opportunities elswhere. And don't limit yourself to caldari space. In my experience other places farther from jita tend to have more advantageous opportunities. The reason the prices are so high in Lonetrek is part due to competition and the fact that the owner does not have time to constantly update his orders so it's better to end up with something in his/her wallet than nothing. I'll have to consider carefully the volume and margins available in a couple of regions before I make up my mind. Thank you though. It's great to receive some public interest apart from trolling. The foundation and discipline of a market guru.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.08 02:37:00 - [85] Originally by: Priest Amarr The chances LNR will go legit with this bond is higher than a brand new person coming here to ask for money. I am watching conversations and seeing that LNR wants to show everybody he can manage to pay back a bond even if he cant make any money trading , there is a great chance he will do some missions , ratting or mining to put together interest in case he already doesn't have it. The problem is this whole banking, bonds and IPO business is not a necessity but an activity people enjoy to do in Eve. Nobody really invest his one billion isk into these kind of projects for earning 70 million isk back in one month. That money can be made in a short time if thats the concern. People invest their money because they enjoy it, this whole MD forum is based on people enjoys investment. Thats why emotions play a bigger role than actual profit when it comes to MD investments in Eve. If people dont like LNR enough, the return he is promising might become irrelevant. Whoever wants to be successful in this business, they need good people skills first and trading skills later since possible investors are usually willing to accept lower returns if they are happy the way you manage your investment and relations. I do not know LNR well enough to bless this project nor I can accuse him for anything. All I see he wants to prove everybody he can manage a bond but people are not happy with the way they are treated by him. May peace be upon you Priest Amarr Thank you my good man, all I am asking is a chance to prove I can achieve what I said. The foundation and discipline of a market guru.
Shadarle LI0NS Industries	Posted - 2008.04.08 03:02:00 - [86] Originally by: LRN Originally by: Priest Amarr The chances LNR will go legit with this bond is higher than a brand new person coming here to ask for money. I am watching conversations and seeing that LNR wants to show everybody he can manage to pay back a bond even if he cant make any money trading , there is a great chance he will do some missions , ratting or mining to put together interest in case he already doesn't have it. The problem is this whole banking, bonds and IPO business is not a necessity but an activity people enjoy to do in Eve. Nobody really invest his one billion isk into these kind of projects for earning 70 million isk back in one month. That money can be made in a short time if thats the concern. People invest their money because they enjoy it, this whole MD forum is based on people enjoys investment. Thats why emotions play a bigger role than actual profit when it comes to MD investments in Eve. If people dont like LNR enough, the return he is promising might become irrelevant. Whoever wants to be successful in this business, they need good people skills first and trading skills later since possible investors are usually willing to accept lower returns if they are happy the way you manage your investment and relations. I do not know LNR well enough to bless this project nor I can accuse him for anything. All I see he wants to prove everybody he can manage a bond but people are not happy with the way they are treated by him. May peace be upon you Priest Amarr Thank you my good man, all I am asking is a chance to prove I can achieve what I said. Unfortunately it proves nothing. If you personally have 1.24 bil you can start a 1 bil loan at 8% for 3 months. Then you pay back 8% per month and the 1b at the end. Does this really make you any more trustworthy? No. The only thing it does is show you are willing to pay 250 mil in order to hopefully gain some trust. This way you can launch a 10b bond and scam it or pay out 2.5b in the hopes of building up more trust so you can launch a 30-40b bond to scam it. I do not see a single scenario in which I think you're acting out of good faith. You've lost all possibility of gaining trust in my eyes. If someone else feels differently they should invest. Gaining 70 mil isk over a month is not worth it in order to humor a troll. I'd rather watch and laugh as he can't get funding a second time in a row or to see which people actually do invest.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.08 03:09:00 - [87] Edited by: LRN on 08/04/2008 03:12:21 Originally by: Shadarle I do not see a single scenario in which I think you're acting out of good faith. You've lost all possibility of gaining trust in my eyes. If someone else feels differently they should invest. Gaining 70 mil isk over a month is not worth it in order to humor a troll. I'd rather watch and laugh as he can't get funding a second time in a row or to see which people actually do invest. And that pretty much wraps it, you've never asked one honest question without the intention to discredit me. And that's why I've stopped answering your questions and I've provided my API keys (for auditing my (past) dealings) and a collateral above the bond request. I hope people see you for what you are, a bitter man with an overgrown ego.
Riethe Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2008.04.08 03:43:00 - [88] This is like social entropy over here man. The business plan Do every possible thing wrong Character profile LRN is a jerk. -- GFG. He's already proven his intelligence. (and by that I mean he's shown everyone very clearly that he has none.) Whether or not you think he's going to scam--who cares? He's a giant ass and as far as I'm concerned I'd rather invest in Riethe before I give money to an ass. What's an ass going to do with your money anyway? Probably just get it all dirty. THREAD NEUTRALIZED
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:08:00 - [89] Two full api keys have been provided to me by LRN; I have seen details for 6 characters across two accounts. Most of them bear all the characteristics of trade alts, with almost all of the action taking place on LRN and YouGotRipped via the corp master wallet. Ewigkeit has achieved sales of some 5.5bn isk over the last week, manufacturing certain popular items for a modest profit. LRN has also been running missions to supplement his income, compensating for poor returns in this area. None of the 6 characters has been involved in any significant trading except to purchase materials for building the aforementioned items. I can also vouch that from what I've seen that there is no obvious connection between Ewigkeit and General Starscream. I certainly feel that it is within the means of LRN to fund the required 200m per month for the bond, even if it isn't necessarily done via the most efficient possible way of doing things. I would draw comparisons between this offering and Project 1.5; in both cases, an industrialist wants to expand operations and prefers to do it via a bond. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Roguehalo RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:19:00 - [90] I'll take up 1 bond @ 100m for 2 reasons :- a/ It's no biggie if i lose it and b/ I would be interested to see how LRN/yougotripped actually handles public money
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.08 22:20:00 - [91] Edited by: LRN on 08/04/2008 22:21:00 Thank you very much. If anyone else wishes to make reservations please feel free to do so. I will accommodate those on a first come, first served basis. As of tomorrow I will also have one of Kazuo Ishiguro's alts fulfill the role of junior accountant in my corporation so a future statements of assets can be confirmed.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.08 22:28:00 - [92] I'll take 5 myself and see where we end up in a few months' time. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:56:00 - [93] Edited by: LRN on 13/04/2008 19:03:18 At this point (3 days from receiving funds) the profitability of the enterprise has been taken into account. To my surprise, the amount loaned no longer has any bearing on it or the continuation of my enterprise. (already 1B+ profit) As a result I'm closing the bond and no longer accepting investments just as agreed in the initial terms. I would like to thank Kazuo Ishiguro for having trusted me, I am fully endorsing his services as a third party and as sign of my gratitude he will receive the 500m he lent me plus full interest of 40m on the 10th of May, prior to recovering my BPOs.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:04:00 - [94] Originally by: LRN At this point (3 days from receiving funds) the profitability of the enterprise has been taken into account To my surprise, the amount loaned no longer has any bearing on it or the continuation of my enterprise. (already 1B+ profit) As a result I'm closing the bond and no longer accepting investments just as agreed in the initial terms. I would like to thank Kazuo Ishiguro for having trusted me, I am fully endorsing his services as a third party and as I sign of my gratitude he will receive the 500m he lend me plus full interest of 40m on the 10th of May, prior to recovering my BPOs. He obviously didn't trust you, if he trusted you he wouldn't have required holding collateral before he would invest in you. He was willing to take your money and give you a chance to prove you had at least some ability. But in the end you just proved my points exactly. You've given up for exactly the reasons I questioned this offering. The amount of money you were asking for was so small that there was no point to it considering the amounts you claimed to be able to make. So, in short, thank you for actually coming out and saying I was right. You didn't have to do it, so it was big of you.

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