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Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:18:00 - [1] So I look at the Navy Raven and it has an extra launcher point and about %30 more AC and Shields. Is there any other advantage to a Navy Raven over a regular Raven other then that? I'm at the 3.5Mil SP mark and have finished training what I want to fly one and I'm trying to decide... I have the ISK for both, but Navy Raven is 5 times the price. I don't have the LP's to even think of buying one.
Riku Cross B L A C K	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:55:00 - [2] I cant get ingame right now to compare specs but the Navy Raven is better than the regular one, however for the price it isnt exactly worth the isk. Part of having a faction issue ship over a regular one is for bragging rights in my opinion. Also if you look at the T2 version of the raven that is perfect for mission running over the other raven versions. Raven: PVE . PVP - Cheap enough to use for anything and has its uses, most suited to pve Faction Raven : PVE - Price is too much to justify PVP use T2 Raven: PVE - Firepower or regular + uber looter
Against Miracles	Posted - 2008.04.06 17:08:00 - [3] I don't fly caldari, but would recommend the normal raven for beginners. Remember the mantra, if you can't afford to lose it don't fly it. Use the raven to get a feel for the BS-class and level up your relevant skills. Train for T2 modules, get some experience and stockpile some extra isk. After you feel comfortable in it and feel you are in a good place with your skills and wallet, you can start to think about pimping it or just using it to finance your other activities.
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.06 17:15:00 - [4] If your referring to the Golem (T2 Raven) it will be months before I can even consider flying that thing. Per Evemon something like 101 days...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:39:00 - [5] Other than the extra launcher (so, better missile damage) and increased hitpoints (so, a tiny bit tougher to destroy), there's absolutely no other SIGNIFICANT difference between the two if you want to use it for mission-running. Basically, it's a ship for those with mission-running experience that want to squeeze even the last bit of extra damage potential out of their ship, to finish missions faster and faster for better income. For everybody else, a regular Raven will do just fine. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Xyn Rhais Tessaract	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:31:00 - [6] If you're going to run level 4 missions in highsec, a normal Raven will keep you safer then the navy one ;). Factions ships are for bragging rights. And if you're going to get one, get a pirate one they're way cooler.
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Xyn Rhais If you're going to run level 4 missions in highsec, a normal Raven will keep you safer then the navy one ;). Factions ships are for bragging rights. And if you're going to get one, get a pirate one they're way cooler. I assume your talking about Highsec Pirates?
Akita T	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:41:00 - [8] No, he means the Rattlesnake. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
slothe Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.04.06 20:37:00 - [9] i have crap missile skills, i fly the navy raven in missions, it eats everything easily. if you want to do mission, use a cnr as it will pay you back very quickly, and if your careful enough you wont lose it.
Riku Cross B L A C K	Posted - 2008.04.06 22:22:00 - [10] Aren't Navy Ravens hot targets for suicide gank squads? If so then youre going to be more prone to loosing your ship to gankers than with a regular raven.
Akita T	Posted - 2008.04.06 22:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Riku Cross Aren't Navy Ravens hot targets for suicide gank squads? Not more than a regular Raven. It's the fiting, not the ship which draws the suicide-gankers. Actually, a CNR is a bit harder to gank as a Raven due to the extra HP. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.04.06 22:32:00 - [12] True. But someone willing to pay 450 mil for a slightly better ship is probably willing to fit officer/deadspace mods. Oh, and the tears after popping a CNR must be epic.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.07 00:16:00 - [13] Also I think the average CNR pilot doesn't have a PVP mindset and is rather easy to trick into a lethal trap. Somebody killed one with a frigate while I was poking around Motsu the other day.
Fla'Nor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.07 00:37:00 - [14] Purely a Highsec L4 missioning ship, no way would I take it to Lowsec, thats what my Vexor is for.
Baka Lakadaka	Posted - 2008.04.07 01:39:00 - [15] CNR are purely for bragging rights: 1. The owner - hey I got a shiny new CNR 2. The Pirate - hey I popped a shiny new CNR. Unless you're regularly soloing Angel's Extravaganza or Worlds Collide, they're really not necessary, and even then you don't NEED a CNR. Recent events with suicide ganking of carebears would lean more towards a regular Raven if you're high-sec missioning. Cheers Baka ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.07 03:43:00 - [16] A pirate's favoritest target is a GTCNR. I hear their pilots' tears are the sweetest of them all. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2008.04.07 04:28:00 - [17] Originally by: F'nog A pirate's favoritest target is a GTCNR. I hear their pilots' tears are the sweetest of them all. as fun as they are, mining lasers i mean wtf seriously, the proper fit ones are way more fun, Hey a gist booster!!! and yes 1 more launcher and a bit more hp. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Shanur	Posted - 2008.04.07 07:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Kahega Amielden True. But someone willing to pay 450 mil for a slightly better ship is probably willing to fit officer/deadspace mods. Oh, and the tears after popping a CNR must be epic. They may also be more willing to pay a ransom to avoid having to replace the ridiculously expensive ship. But thanks for pointing out to me the advantages really don't outweigh the costs. I'll go straight to Golem now, at most getting an LP bought CNR for resale.
Ralara	Posted - 2008.04.07 12:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Ralara on 07/04/2008 13:01:28 Originally by: Fla'Nor Navy Raven Originally by: Fla'Nor I'm at the 3.5Mil SP hit's Fla'Nor on the nose with a rolled up newspaper No! Bad newbie. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Ralara	Posted - 2008.04.07 13:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Shanur Originally by: Kahega Amielden True. But someone willing to pay 450 mil for a slightly better ship is probably willing to fit officer/deadspace mods. Oh, and the tears after popping a CNR must be epic. They may also be more willing to pay a ransom to avoid having to replace the ridiculously expensive ship. Only if it's low sec or 0.0. If it's a high sec gank, since they have like 10-20 seconds before concord arrives, you wont get the chance to be ransommed. The first you'll know about it, is the frame rate will drop, there'll be some explosions and then you'll be in a pod. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Eleana Tomelac Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.07 13:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Unless you're regularly soloing Angel's Extravaganza or Worlds Collide, they're really not necessary, and even then you don't NEED a CNR. You can do those without a CNR... I prefer another kind of bragging rights : I did those with a sacrilege and the other usually with a deimos... Why buy a CNR for that? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Fla''Nor on 07/04/2008 14:40:47 Well so far so good. I've noticed the differences between the CNR and a regular Raven, especially when your fighting the 1Mil BS spawns. I bought it, I'm glad I did it, and if I get popped while I'm flying mine, so be it. Personal goal achieved with enough left over to get back to a normal Raven when/if I get blown up plus insurance.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2008.04.07 15:30:00 - [23] yep, its nice to have but not needed Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Laice	Posted - 2008.04.07 15:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Shanur Originally by: Kahega Amielden True. But someone willing to pay 450 mil for a slightly better ship is probably willing to fit officer/deadspace mods. Oh, and the tears after popping a CNR must be epic. They may also be more willing to pay a ransom to avoid having to replace the ridiculously expensive ship. Only if it's low sec or 0.0. If it's a high sec gank, since they have like 10-20 seconds before concord arrives, you wont get the chance to be ransommed. The first you'll know about it, is the frame rate will drop, there'll be some explosions and then you'll be in a pod. so just leave your active hardeners on 24/7. Its an exploit to gank someone and then evade concord. Bannable i believe, as its in defiance of the games physics. Rolling around with enough shield and with active hardeners running 24/7 they wont have enough time to remove your cap to even break through and they'd loose a helluva lot, probably would cost as much as a CNR just to make the move in hi sec. A cnr is worth it if you love level 4's and just can't seem to find that extra little bit of speed you fancy. if you're telling me they can deal 40,000 dps in 10 seconds and make it out without making a massive loss in the process with active hardeners on your raven aswell, tell me what setup's their flying lol. I have a really nice signature. It doesnt exceed the 24000 byte limit, or the height restrictions - Laice
Kneebone	Posted - 2008.04.07 17:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Laice so just leave your active hardeners on 24/7. Its an exploit to gank someone and then evade concord. Bannable i believe, as its in defiance of the games physics. Rolling around with enough shield and with active hardeners running 24/7 they wont have enough time to remove your cap to even break through and they'd loose a helluva lot, probably would cost as much as a CNR just to make the move in hi sec. A cnr is worth it if you love level 4's and just can't seem to find that extra little bit of speed you fancy. if you're telling me they can deal 40,000 dps in 10 seconds and make it out without making a massive loss in the process with active hardeners on your raven aswell, tell me what setup's their flying lol. Depends on the situation as to weather or not that will work. If your mulling around in 0.5 or 0.6 it takes Concord longer to show up. You also have to remember that its not just Player v Player its Player v Player+NPC. Most Ravens fit an active tank. If the person/persons comes in on you and Neut's you hard, you will drop like a rock. In looking over some recent highsec gankmails its also very rarely 1v1+NPC situations. If you warp in with 5 battleships, a tackler, plus NPC's you're talking one very dead player very quickly. Highsec ganking is usually a predetermined thing. They warp in to kill you and they make sure they can do it, else they don't even try to begin with.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.04.07 23:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Laice if you're telling me they can deal 40,000 dps in 10 seconds and make it out without making a massive loss in the process with active hardeners on your raven aswell, tell me what setup's their flying lol. Laice, consider my seven-step plan: 1. Probe down a mission using something noobish like a Heron 2. Salvage some wrecks, get the mission runner really ticked off 3. Start looting from the wrecks 4. Mission runner shoots at you in your Heron 5. Warp back to station, and switch to your PVP-fit battleship 6. 7. Profit
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2008.04.08 00:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Laice Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Shanur Originally by: Kahega Amielden True. But someone willing to pay 450 mil for a slightly better ship is probably willing to fit officer/deadspace mods. Oh, and the tears after popping a CNR must be epic. They may also be more willing to pay a ransom to avoid having to replace the ridiculously expensive ship. Only if it's low sec or 0.0. If it's a high sec gank, since they have like 10-20 seconds before concord arrives, you wont get the chance to be ransommed. The first you'll know about it, is the frame rate will drop, there'll be some explosions and then you'll be in a pod. so just leave your active hardeners on 24/7. Its an exploit to gank someone and then evade concord. Bannable i believe, as its in defiance of the games physics. Rolling around with enough shield and with active hardeners running 24/7 they wont have enough time to remove your cap to even break through and they'd loose a helluva lot, probably would cost as much as a CNR just to make the move in hi sec. A cnr is worth it if you love level 4's and just can't seem to find that extra little bit of speed you fancy. if you're telling me they can deal 40,000 dps in 10 seconds and make it out without making a massive loss in the process with active hardeners on your raven aswell, tell me what setup's their flying lol. 1000dps torp ravens arent that hard to get, factor in overheating and your 40,000 dps is nothing Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Baka Lakadaka	Posted - 2008.04.08 00:41:00 - [28] There's not always an economic goal in a suicide gank. Take Goons recent attacks on Hulks and other exhumers. They weren't in it to profit. It's entirely possible that Goons or someone else will have a "jihad" against Faction BS at some point and their motivation won't be profit. Cheers Baka ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.08 04:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Ralara hit's Fla'Nor on the nose with a rolled up newspaper No! Bad newbie. Exactly how am I a bad newbie? I planned out what I wanted to do from the get go... Tech 2 Hardners, Booster, Cap Rechargers, etc.. Pretty much all shield related Engineer to L4 or L5, basically a Tech 2 Active tank. 4008 Cap with a 136 second regen, 13,500 shield, able to hit %90 to a specific resist or 72% with a MSF2 and 2 Invul 2's, 7 Arby Cruises with Faction Cruises, working on my drone skills right now. etc etc etc. Zero problems in L4 missions. Yeah :/ I guess I am a horrible newb for actually reading guides, how to's, and planning my career with Evemon and EFT. P.S. Please hit me again?
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.08 08:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Fla'Nor Originally by: Ralara hit's Fla'Nor on the nose with a rolled up newspaper No! Bad newbie. Exactly how am I a bad newbie? I planned out what I wanted to do from the get go... Tech 2 Hardners, Booster, Cap Rechargers, etc.. Pretty much all shield related Engineer to L4 or L5, basically a Tech 2 Active tank. 4008 Cap with a 136 second regen, 13,500 shield, able to hit %90 to a specific resist or 72% with a MSF2 and 2 Invul 2's, 7 Arby Cruises with Faction Cruises, working on my drone skills right now. etc etc etc. Zero problems in L4 missions. Yeah :/ I guess I am a horrible newb for actually reading guides, how to's, and planning my career with Evemon and EFT. P.S. Please hit me again? Because at 2 months old, you have neither the skills nor the experience to use a CNR properly and you'll likely end up killed in it. It's your isk to spend I guess, but that's an expensive coffin. -- Ralara / Ralarina

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