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Lara Renquist LFC Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.08 08:38:00 - [31] Because at 2 months old, you have neither the skills nor the experience to use a CNR properly and you'll likely end up killed in it. It's your isk to spend I guess, but that's an expensive coffin This really, if your 2 months old you are not even close to having the experience nor the skill's needed to fly a CNR. EvE is not about jumping into the bigest ship as fast as you can,... far from it actually.
Durzel State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 09:28:00 - [32] A word of warning: if you're at 3.5m skillpoints I am presuming that your drone skills are probably average/low. Take that CNR into L4 missions with scrambling strain drones or other assorted frigates and you'll have no other option than to watch the rats wear out your tank, which - at 3.5m - won't be anything to write home about. I think I'd rather be ganked and have it over with in the blink of an eye than be forced to sit there for 10 mins while the crushing inevitability of losing my 500m ship because I was too eager to jump into it set in.
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.08 12:46:00 - [33] Exactly. We're not trying to be elitist or anything like that - we're trying to help you. If you wont listen, that's fine - it's your isk and you can spend it how you want - but we're just letting you know that the odds are quite strong that you'll end up floating in a pod. Yes, you can technically "fly" one. However, you can't fly it well. At the least, I'd suggest using a normal Raven to get a feel for it before you do this. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Fla'Nor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 14:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Ralara At the least, I'd suggest using a normal Raven to get a feel for it before you do this. I didn't jump straight into the CNR, I actually flew a regular Raven for several weeks to earn the money for the CNR, started out with L3 missions and what not. I have run into the Neut towers, the tackling frigs with warp disruptors, etc. I guess I don't find flying L4's in Highsec all that hard. I have taken my cruisers into Lowsec and have done some 0.0 scouting runs and have been popped in the process. PvP wise I know my skills suck, but I'm not looking for that right now. I'm not trying to sound like an elitest jerk here and I appreciate the advice. I have learned a lot from here, but it seems the PvE/Empire living is not as hard as people make it out to be if you use the most important tool we all have which is your brain. Figure out what your fighting, how to fit your defenses, plan your offensive capabilities, threat analysis of the bad guys, no shame in warping out, etc...
Durzel State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 15:01:00 - [35] I'm more curious about how you've amassed the ISK to be in a Raven "for several weeks", and buy a CNR before most people get into a Drake. So what is it - some magical new daytrading secret or waxing those GTCs?
Fla'Nor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 16:05:00 - [36] Edited by: Fla''Nor on 08/04/2008 16:20:34 Edited by: Fla''Nor on 08/04/2008 16:08:17 Originally by: Durzel I'm more curious about how you've amassed the ISK to be in a Raven "for several weeks", and buy a CNR before most people get into a Drake. So what is it - some magical new daytrading secret or waxing those GTCs? I started out as a whee little miner in early Jan. I skilled up to Cruisers and Salvaging and L2 missions. I got into a Retriver for some heavier mining and worked my way up to a Drake by mid Feb by figuring out what to sell, where to sell it, and hauling stuff around for the most $$$. I also liquodated several assests to make the final push. It was some risk for the final reward since I was a little thin for the first few missions. And I'm also a reporter for Eve Tribune under a different name. $$$ :)
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.08 18:39:00 - [37] Edited by: Ralara on 08/04/2008 18:40:24 You've encountered neut towers? I could be wrong here, but as far as I am aware, they're only in Level 5 missions... Well, regardless, I think it's foolish, but good luck to you, I hope you wont need it. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Fla'Nor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 08/04/2008 18:40:24 You've encountered neut towers? I could be wrong here, but as far as I am aware, they're only in Level 5 missions... Well, regardless, I think it's foolish, but good luck to you, I hope you wont need it. Yupo. New Frontiers, 5th Stage from a faction mission. Neut Towers + Webs + Scramblers. I warped into it with my Raven, got hit with the Neuts, and immediately bailed before the NPC ships got in range. I switched to my passive Drake and took out the towers, the frigs, then the cruisers/HAC's
Ralara D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Fla'Nor Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 08/04/2008 18:40:24 You've encountered neut towers? I could be wrong here, but as far as I am aware, they're only in Level 5 missions... Well, regardless, I think it's foolish, but good luck to you, I hope you wont need it. Yupo. New Frontiers, 5th Stage from a faction mission. Neut Towers + Webs + Scramblers. I warped into it with my Raven, got hit with the Neuts, and immediately bailed before the NPC ships got in range. I switched to my passive Drake and took out the towers, the frigs, then the cruisers/HAC's Ah well, I hope that can prove a point - CNRs arent the answer to everything :-) A CNR would have died to that had you stayed around - no cap = no tank = floating pod. What I would advise you to do, would be to get BC to level 4 and your missile and shield and cap skills to as much as you can, along with drone skills. Get your CNR - play about with it, if you so wish - but please be careful with it. I know since the LP store every man and his dog has a CNR - but look after it. It's a special ship. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Fla'Nor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:35:00 - [40] Just so everyone knows what I'm working with, this is all my combat related skills for my Raven: Combat Drone Ops - 2 Drones - 5 Scout Drone Ops - 3 Electronics - 4 Elec Upgrades - 2 Long Range Targeting - 3 Survey - 3 Targeting - 3 All shield resists - 2 Energy Grid Updates - 4 Energy Management - 3 Energy Systems Operations - 4 Engineering - 4 Shield Compensation - 3 Shield Management - 4 Shield Operations - 5 Tactical Shield Manip - 4 Gunnery - 2 Weapons Upgrades - 4 Mechanic - 3 Jury Rigging - 3 basic rigs - 1 Cruise Missles - 3 Guided Precision - 2 Heavy Missles - 4 Missle Launcher Ops - 5 Missle Projection - 2 Rapid Launch - 2 Target Nav - 2 Warhead Upgrades - 2 Afterburner - 4 Evasise Man - 2 High Speed Man - 1 Navigation - 4 Caldari Battleship - 3 Cruiers, Frigs, etc 4 Spaceship Command - 5
Ralara	Posted - 2008.04.09 07:04:00 - [41] puts his head in his hands and walks away -- Ralara / Ralarina
Lara Renquist	Posted - 2008.04.09 07:39:00 - [42] I used to mission in a fully faction-officer rattlesnake...with those skils.... my tank and cap would break rather fast and i would be in a pod, there are some missions where the npc's dish out so much dps i had to run my booster well al the time... if you cant do that your practicly screwed :) anyways i wish you good luck with it and hope you will have fun with the Cnr Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Jehlom	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:35:00 - [43] Edited by: Jehlom on 09/04/2008 15:35:51 I asked a similar question about choosing between a CNR and a Rattlesnake. One of the responses I received was to consider investing in a set of implants before upgrading my boat, specifically the Crystal set which gives significant bonuses to shield boost. This might be something you want to consider before stumping up the cash for a CNR? (I'd love to do both if I had the cash)
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Jehlom Edited by: Jehlom on 09/04/2008 15:35:51 I asked a similar question about choosing between a CNR and a Rattlesnake. One of the responses I received was to consider investing in a set of implants before upgrading my boat, specifically the Crystal set which gives significant bonuses to shield boost. This might be something you want to consider before stumping up the cash for a CNR? (I'd love to do both if I had the cash) That's a good idea for mission running as it will raise the normal raven's tank over what the navy raven would do. Go for the low grade set, it's not that expensive compared to a navy raven. Sure it doesn't allow for as much bragging rights! Also, note that you will need cybernetics 5 for the last implant of the set which is quite long to skill up. The other drawback is the low grades are +2 implants and high grades +3 implants which means learning slower. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.04.10 05:38:00 - [45] Cash really isn't that hard to earn in this game if you spend a bit of time planning how to earn it. To suggest someone needs to sell GTC's to buy a CNR within 2 months is just silly. Earning a few hundred million in two months of playing isn't some unheard of act. If you don't blow your money on silly things, it's probably not even all that hard. But anyways, if you enjoy flying a CNR, have fun with it. If you lose it, meh, get a regular raven til you can afford to upgrade again. But if you play it safe, it may be months before you lose it, and I'd say it's money well spent if you have fun with it before it blows up (whenever that happens). The game definitely gives the advantage to players with all the skills at high ranks, including the support skills. However, that doesn't mean you have to fly a drake for a year before moving up to a battleship. IMO, you just need to recognize the battleship in your hands won't be as strong as it would be in the hands of a 3 y/o player, and adjust accordingly. Sounds to me like the OP knows this and since it's his money, who cares how he spends it? And who cares if he blows up a CNR, heh. The point of the game is to have fun, so do what you want with your ISK. But for the record, I personally went with a normal raven, not a CNR... that'd be kinda silly Just my noobie $0.02.
Weazy Dax EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:40:00 - [46] Get t2 cruise and spec 4 before u buy a cnr. Make that extra slot count! Maybe try running some Caldari Navy missions while you skill up some, earn the lp, and save that isk while u learn to skills to let you fit it out with more t2 items. I mean, its ur isk but with those missile skills you aren't exactly maximizing the max possible dps you can pump out of the raven, let alone a cnr.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.10 10:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Weazy Dax Get t2 cruise and spec 4 before u buy a cnr. Make that extra slot count! Maybe try running some Caldari Navy missions while you skill up some, earn the lp, and save that isk while u learn to skills to let you fit it out with more t2 items. I mean, its ur isk but with those missile skills you aren't exactly maximizing the max possible dps you can pump out of the raven, let alone a cnr. dont use the Caldari Navy, all their mission hubs are lag-fests. Use another caldari corporation - like Spacelane Patrol - which gives the same items as caldari navy, but has much less lag (40 people in Ibura compared to 400 in Motsu for example) -- Ralara / Ralarina
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.10 15:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Fla''Nor on 10/04/2008 15:09:38 Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Weazy Dax Get t2 cruise and spec 4 before u buy a cnr. Make that extra slot count! Maybe try running some Caldari Navy missions while you skill up some, earn the lp, and save that isk while u learn to skills to let you fit it out with more t2 items. I mean, its ur isk but with those missile skills you aren't exactly maximizing the max possible dps you can pump out of the raven, let alone a cnr. dont use the Caldari Navy, all their mission hubs are lag-fests. Use another caldari corporation - like Spacelane Patrol - which gives the same items as caldari navy, but has much less lag (40 people in Ibura compared to 400 in Motsu for example) I actually use Intel officers from Caldari Business Tribunal. I'm about a dozen jumps from the Caldari border zones. I think the most I've seen in the systems I go through is 15, if that. I played with a few L4 Navy officers in Isenikro(sp?) and it was horrible. I have a nice little place where I have an L3 agent, an L4 agent, perfect refining for mining, and its a quiet place. I hop in my Caracal from time to time to rat in some of the lowsec zones. Its nice pitching Heavy Missles around 100km with a good sensor booster. btw Ralara I do appreciate your advice. Its nice to see a more expirenced player dealing with my thick head.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:30:00 - [49] I'd probably suggest getting the missile support skills to 4, and any tanking skills that you're still missing, but then definitely go for t2. It takes a while, but adds a nice bit of dps.
Cikulisuy Amarr Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.04.13 10:54:00 - [50] meh, bragging rights tbh, if you want to kill one, you can bring 5 ravens for the price of that ship.. and that ship will not stand a chance, reguardless of fittings. this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Cikulisuy meh, bragging rights tbh, if you want to kill one, you can bring 5 ravens for the price of that ship.. and that ship will not stand a chance, reguardless of fittings. What's with the face? Why shouldn't 5 properly fit BSes be able to destroy 1 single BS? Makes sense to me. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Brearos	Posted - 2008.04.14 01:17:00 - [52] A corp friend lost his cnr in aramachi,sec 0.5 so dont ever do missions in 0.5 concord will take too much to spawn and 5 ravens fitted with torps will tear u apart. But anyways where do u do missions as i have some friends willing to give me some of the loot if they kill your cnr:) or i`ll just use the locator agent to know ur position...just kidding...but u are in great danger if u put to much faction items on that ship. another hint..ur fit will be scanned and they`ll know where to hit:D what resists u have
Hamadei Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:42:00 - [53] Unless people just hate you, heh, it's doubtful you will lose your raven in .5 sec to gankers unless you are faction fitted. They are more concerned with grabbing your loot than with blowing up your shiny ship. A normal raven with faction gear is just as likely to get ganked, although perhaps people are more likely to scan the CNR when seeing it.
Durzel Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:47:00 - [54] It never ceases to amaze me that people still mission out of known hotspots like Irjunen, Aramachi, etc.. in fact the whole Caldari Navy L4 mission belt in spite of all the evidence of suicide ganking. I guess that's the gankers enforcing Darwinian Law.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.14 18:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Brearos A corp friend lost his cnr in aramachi,sec 0.5 so dont ever do missions in 0.5 concord will take too much to spawn and 5 ravens fitted with torps will tear u apart. But anyways where do u do missions as i have some friends willing to give me some of the loot if they kill your cnr:) or i`ll just use the locator agent to know ur position...just kidding...but u are in great danger if u put to much faction items on that ship. another hint..ur fit will be scanned and they`ll know where to hit:D what resists u have Only because he had stupid fittings. It wont matter if you're doing it in 1.0, if you've got faction/deadspace fittings on your ship, it's a possible target. Freighters die in 1.0, a CNR will fall even easier. -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.14 19:17:00 - [56] Well since this thread doesn't want to poof I shall provide an update. I am past the break even point since buying it. I have had some good luck with loot and salvage and all in all I am happy I bought it. The shields and extra launcher gave me that little extra edge that I needed IMO. I am cap stable, have a permaboosted tank, and my drone skills are coming along nicely. And this is NOT the character that flys the Raven. Probe me out or locate me all you want, I'm sitting in some newbie station in my rookie ship on stage 1 of the tutorial.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.14 19:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Fla'Nor Well since this thread doesn't want to poof I shall provide an update. I am past the break even point since buying it. I have had some good luck with loot and salvage and all in all I am happy I bought it. The shields and extra launcher gave me that little extra edge that I needed IMO. I am cap stable, have a permaboosted tank, and my drone skills are coming along nicely. And this is NOT the character that flys the Raven. Probe me out or locate me all you want, I'm sitting in some newbie station in my rookie ship on stage 1 of the tutorial. We'd only do that if it was deadspace fitted :-) -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Fla'Nor	Posted - 2008.04.14 20:02:00 - [58] Edited by: Fla''Nor on 14/04/2008 20:03:27 Originally by: Ralara We'd only do that if it was deadspace fitted :-) I don't get it... My Imp doesn't have enough for all my Gist modules :( I did the math and I can use the Type-XL booster for 0.3 seconds which is MORE then enough to fully recharge all my shields! Also any advice for a Nano'd Erebus? I hear its all the rage for nano things these days!
Boon McBwen Caldari BoonDock Avengers	Posted - 2008.05.07 16:16:00 - [59] Edited by: Boon McBwen on 07/05/2008 16:25:17 Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Recent events with suicide ganking of carebears would lean more towards a regular Raven if you're high-sec missioning. boy have you got that **** right...

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