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Padreic ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.04.07 20:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Xaen Sensationalist garbage. Thanks Fox News. I support that ! The grid is actually more like a virtual computer. Scientists no longer have to waste time with questions like "where in the world are the data", "where can I process them". They just have to specify the tasks to be done, on which datasets and where to store the results. Everything else is hidden to the user (in theory ), the grid tools then take care of transferring the data where the CPU ressources are available, if needed.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.04.07 20:55:00 - [32] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/04/2008 20:56:32 Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 07/04/2008 20:20:47 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Tarminic Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag. ^^This. I also do not see how you could download a movie in seconds via this. I wonder if even CCP's lightning fast storage arrays could serve up that much data that fast (not to mention do it to hundreds or thousands of users at the same time). Its because the data is not stored in a single location. With 55,000 computers on the grid, each computer would be holding 1/55,000 of the data. When you requested the information you would get 55,000 separate pieces of information all holding a part of the data that you needed. Since there would be little to no latency due to everything being fiber[which transmits data essentially at the speed of light] you would be able to receive information at terribly fast speeds utilizing the read speeds of those 55,000 computers. Short answer: They built a really really really big super-computer/raid array and plugged it into a really big fiber optic cable. Ok...I get that but my experience with Torrents does not bear out anything like these speeds even when there are a lot of seeds to pull from. Generally my Torrent download speeds are far lower than direct transfers. Additionally, as noted above, my PC will become the bottleneck. No home storage I am aware of can accept that much data that fast. Solid state storage may help but even then that is nowhere likely able to accept that much data that quickly in the foreseeable future (for home users at least). Finally, we have to assume the data we want is spread on 55,000 computers. If you are a movie company selling movie downloads you will have a handful of servers with the data...not 55,000. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Tarminic	Posted - 2008.04.07 20:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Ok...I get that but my experience with Torrents does not bear out anything like these speeds even when there are a lot of seeds to pull from. Generally my Torrent download speeds are far lower than direct transfers. I can't say conclusively, but I believe that's due to inconsistencies regarding who has the data and the different connection speeds/locations, plus the torrent hosts own adjustments (bandwidth, % shared, etc). Quote: Finally, we have to assume the data we want is spread on 55,000 computers. If you are a movie company selling movie downloads you will have a handful of servers with the data...not 55,000. But sir, that was the old internet! This is THE GRID. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.8 (Updated 4/7)
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.04.07 21:00:00 - [34] Yea I read about it the other day. To be honest that isn't the issue with Eve. Network latency is the least of our problems. The server model doesn't scale, end-of.
Hait Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.07 21:13:00 - [35] Still doesn't beat the speed of light so lag still inherent. i.e you will have the same ping.
Incip Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.07 21:22:00 - [36] You are also forgetting that with the technology today, any sort of routing is what causes the majority of delays. That is the bigger problem technology-wise than the actual speed of the transmission medium. We are not anywhere near able to route the transmissions as fast as the fiber can transmit it on the type of scale we require. IE available to everyone.
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.07 22:32:00 - [37] Wow, I didn't realize EVE had so many experts in this field.
EvilSpork	Posted - 2008.04.07 22:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Winterblink Probably would have called it The Matrix, but the Watchowski Bros. would have sued their butts off. it's actually the witchowski brother and sister now yeah... one of them jumped ship... http://enelaise.com/signatures/Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Chinger	Posted - 2008.04.07 22:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Spineker By the time Skynet became self-aware it had spread into millions of computer servers across the planet. Ordinary computers in office buildings, dorm rooms; everywhere. It was software; in cyberspace. There was no system core; it could not be shutdown. The attack began at 6:18 PM, just as he said it would. Judgment Day, the day the human race was almost destroyed by the weapons they'd built to protect themselves. I should have realized it was never our destiny to stop Judgment Day, it was merely to survive it, together. The Terminator knew; he tried to tell us, but I didn't want to hear it. Maybe the future has been written. I don't know; all I know is what the Terminator taught me; never stop fighting. And I never will. The battle has just begun.
Overwhelmed	Posted - 2008.04.07 23:54:00 - [40] If THE GRID is what they paint it to be, I find it surprising all those technicians don't realize they would be building a hacker's dream. ---------------------------------------------------------- Posting And You Disclaimer: This is a meta-game alt for meta-game discussions.
Carebearingtonfieldville	Posted - 2008.04.07 23:57:00 - [41] The internet could never replace the telephone just like television could never replace a good novel. I can't imagine it! Not in a million years!
Goumindong	Posted - 2008.04.08 00:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Ok...I get that but my experience with Torrents does not bear out anything like these speeds even when there are a lot of seeds to pull from. Generally my Torrent download speeds are far lower than direct transfers. Additionally, as noted above, my PC will become the bottleneck. No home storage I am aware of can accept that much data that fast. Solid state storage may help but even then that is nowhere likely able to accept that much data that quickly in the foreseeable future (for home users at least). Finally, we have to assume the data we want is spread on 55,000 computers. If you are a movie company selling movie downloads you will have a handful of servers with the data...not 55,000. Yes, that is why the stipulation for THE GRID working is that everything is hooked up to it using fiber-optic cable, which can really achieve some massive transfer rates. http://eve-files.com/dl/154147 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Vote Goumindong for CSM[/url]
GarbleGarble Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.08 12:41:00 - [43] The Global Information Grid (GIG) is an all-encompassing communications project of the United States Department of Defense. It is defined as the globally interconnected, end-to-end set of information capabilities, associated processes, and personnel for collecting, processing, storing, disseminating, and managing information on demand to warfighters, policymakers, and support personnel. The GIG includes all owned and leased communications and computing systems and services, software (including applications), system data, security services, and other associated services necessary to achieve information superiority for the United States military. It is the physical manifestation of the network-centric warfare doctrine. The GIG was envisioned by the Department of Defense Chief Information Officer on September 22, 1999 and was officially mandated by an overarching directive from the Deputy Secretary of Defense on September 19, 2002. Noteworthy progress has been made since then. Although the lofty objective of the Global Information Grid has not yet been realized, computer-enabled communication between soldiers and commanders in the battlefield have been successful, most notably during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. This ability is considered an early GIG component. Contents * 1 Motivation * 2 Architecture * 3 Implementation * 4 Comments, Issues, and Caveats * 5 See also * 6 External links Motivation Network-centric warfare The network-centric warfare (NCW) doctrine represents a fundamental shift in military culture, away from powerful compartmentalized war machines and toward interconnected units operating cohesively. The tenets of NCW, found in the DoD NCW Report to the Congress, are: 1) A robustly networked force improves information sharing, 2) information sharing enhances the quality of information and shared situational awareness, 3) shared situational awareness enables collaboration and self-synchronization and enhances sustainability and speed of command, and 4) these, in turn, dramatically increase mission effectiveness. [1] [2] At the enterprise level, forging new paths that components of the military communicate in will ease logistics burdens, improve communication and combat effectiveness of the warfighter, decrease instances of confusion-related fratricide, accelerate the trend in minimizing collateral damage, and hasten the flow of business. For the warfighter, situational awareness would be improved tremendously by linking what he sees with what an overhead satellite sees. The fog of war would be lifted by seamless communication between unit members, offsite detection devices, and commanders operating behind the line. Improved coordination may also assist in delivering appropriate firepower or other tangible assets to first responders during domestic attacks and natural disasters worldwide. Architecture The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Network Integration and Infrastructure (ASD(NII)) as the Chief Information Officer for DoD is charged with ultimate responsibility for the Global Information Grid. His or her authority extends to all phases of the GIG design, from planning to development to implementation to maintenance. The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) has been charged by the CIO with heading the GIG project. DISA has classified the GIG as a data computing grid and has designed an intricate foundation architecture called GIG Enterprise Services (ES). GIG ES establishes a collection of core services that provides the foundation for lower-level GIG components all the way down to the individual soldier. GIG ES enables distributed storage, information assurance (security), collaboration, messaging, mediation, service management, and interfaces for node to client connectivity. The GIG, when completed, would connect all technology within the Department of Defense, much like the Internet. Individual GIG components resemble client computers an
RuleoftheBone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.08 13:46:00 - [44] "The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web" "This meant that scientists at Cern - where Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the web in 1989..." Guess those fine FOX folks forgot about DARPA. CERN my butt. DARPA-net was around long (and we are talking close to ten years) before the Euro's finally stopped squabbling over the facility name and called it....CERN . Then again....Al Gore claimed to have created the net as well . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.08 14:41:00 - [45] Its a TIMES (London) article not a Faux Noize article, even though they are both owned by the same facists the Times does Fact whilst the other does Info-tainment. I'm sure the Americian audience of Faux do not realise that they will never see the 'grid' type speeds, your telecom corps limit you (google Comcast and Torrent) as they want every last cent before they upgrade the infrastructure, why do you think they want a fast lane and slow lane on the net (slow probally makes data mining easier for them too). Now the Americian War Machine however is very different, you gotta have good speeds to bomb a mud hut in Afganistan and kill children from your darkened room in Las Vegas. ...... continues overleaf.
Isobe Mitsu Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.08 14:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I also do not see how you could download a movie in seconds via this. I wonder if even CCP's lightning fast storage arrays could serve up that much data that fast (not to mention do it to hundreds or thousands of users at the same time). Do you think people in the stone age could see how we would be flying jet planes, watching television, talking to people on the other side of the world on mobile phones, chatting on the internet or playing a sci-fi game with thousands of people all over the world? No I don't suppose they would have but just because they had limited imagination or comprehension of what could be achieved didn't stop it from happening.
4 Hire Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.08 15:17:00 - [47] Edited by: 4 Hire on 08/04/2008 15:17:58 Fiber optics aren't bound by physics... Because we still don't understand the way it works. For something to be bound by our conceptual law we would have to understand it enough to place it within a law and well that just isn't the case yet. Perhaps thats why they are still investing so much in that particle accelerator. However the idea of carrying energy with something that has no mass is quite a novel concept but somehow I don't foresee it happening anytime soon.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.08 15:18:00 - [48] Originally by: 4 Hire Edited by: 4 Hire on 08/04/2008 15:17:58 Fiber optics aren't bound by physics... Because we still don't understand the way it works. For something to be bound by our conceptual law we would have to understand it enough to place it within a law and well that just isn't the case yet. Perhaps thats why they are still investing so much in that particle accelerator. However the idea of carrying energy with something that has no mass is quite a novel concept but somehow I don't foresee it happening anytime soon. What are you talking about? We understand perfectly how fiber optics work - they use light to transmit a signal instead of electricity. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.8 (Updated 4/7)
Possesive GALAXIAN	Posted - 2008.04.08 15:34:00 - [49] Originally by: 4 Hire Edited by: 4 Hire on 08/04/2008 15:17:58 Fiber optics aren't bound by physics... Because we still don't understand the way it works. For something to be bound by our conceptual law we would have to understand it enough to place it within a law and well that just isn't the case yet. Perhaps thats why they are still investing so much in that particle accelerator. However the idea of carrying energy with something that has no mass is quite a novel concept but somehow I don't foresee it happening anytime soon. Uhh, what exactly do we not understand about fibre? Using 9/125 single mode fibre as an example, light is transmitted through the 9 micron core of the fibre with the 125 micron cladding acting as a buffer, the signal runs at light speed (srsly!) and usually at a wavelength of 1550nm. It follows the laws of physics quite well for light using a solid medium to propagate. You find more information here with links to how multimode fibre does exactly the same thing but with more signals. We design networks using the stuff everyday at work. Does it exactly what it says on tin.
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:18:00 - [50] Sounds great but when you think that people OUTSIDE of capitol cities like to use the internet too. Hell, there are places here that can't get broadband yet and I'm in the UK, not exactly an impoverished position. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:54:00 - [51] So.... is the MPAA going to join those trying to sue CERN not to turn on the LHC to stop this high speed network going live? A network that will (as far as I can tell) make monitoring filesharing allmost impossible as SEEDS need only exist for fractions of a second at a time.... from my interpretation. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
SirSpectre Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 02:41:00 - [52] Why do I get the sudden feeling that my ultimate goal in life is to safe guard the life of John Conner..... ---- Sig here. ---> X
Markilios	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:14:00 - [53] Edited by: Markilios on 09/04/2008 12:15:57 Edited by: Markilios on 09/04/2008 12:15:11 I, for one, am completely pumped about the possibilities, but then again maybe that's the 'technolust' in me. As for actually monitoring the transfer of data, etc.; It would absolutely revolutionize the industry of internet security. The Grid itself is just the manner in which information is transferred from one place to the next. No doubt there would be restrictions with the speed at which your computer runs. Kind of like how there are different writing speeds for a CD burner. I don't think it would be much of a problem. The security of the Web will probably be more sensitive. If anything it would be the security programs themselves that limit the speed of transfer. I think another interesting prospect is what's going to happen when computers are themselves built with optical technology. That's the hard part. Transferring data between servers and computers wont be as slow as they used to be, but the challenge will be to make the programs and the computers themselves more efficient and less restricting to the flow of data. It could lead to a reduction of quality and durability, but could also lead to huge drops in the cost of technology with the use of silicon instead of metallic alloys. I guess at this point it's all a matter of how creative the designers can get.
Femaref Caldari Armageddon Day	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Spineker By the time Skynet became self-aware it had spread into millions of computer servers across the planet. Ordinary computers in office buildings, dorm rooms; everywhere. It was software; in cyberspace. There was no system core; it could not be shutdown. The attack began at 6:18 PM, just as he said it would. Judgment Day, the day the human race was almost destroyed by the weapons they'd built to protect themselves. I should have realized it was never our destiny to stop Judgment Day, it was merely to survive it, together. The Terminator knew; he tried to tell us, but I didn't want to hear it. Maybe the future has been written. I don't know; all I know is what the Terminator taught me; never stop fighting. And I never will. The battle has just begun. this.
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Benco97 Sounds great but when you think that people OUTSIDE of capitol cities like to use the internet too. Hell, there are places here that can't get broadband yet and I'm in the UK, not exactly an impoverished position. Dear World, Stop adding new content and fix the lag.

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