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Atropos Kahn
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:47:00 -
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html
'The Grid' Could Soon Make the Internet Obsolete
The Internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.
At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, ôthe gridö will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.
The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.
David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could ôrevolutioniseö society. ôWith this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,ö he said.
The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their ôred buttonö day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the new particle accelerator built to probe the origin of the universe. The grid will be activated at the same time to capture the data it generates.
Cern, based near Geneva, started the grid computing project seven years ago when researchers realised the LHC would generate annual data equivalent to 56m CDs - enough to make a stack 40 miles high.
This meant that scientists at Cern - where Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the web in 1989 - would no longer be able to use his creation for fear of causing a global collapse.
This is because the Internet has evolved by linking together a hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |
Atropos Kahn
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:47:00 -
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By contrast, the grid has been built with dedicated fibre optic cables and modern routing centres, meaning there are no outdated components to slow the deluge of data. The 55,000 servers already installed are expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.
Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the grid project, said: ôWe need so much processing power, there would even be an issue about getting enough electricity to run the computers if they were all at Cern. The only answer was a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research centres in other countries.ö
That network, in effect a parallel Internet, is now built, using fibre optic cables that run from Cern to 11 centres in the United States, Canada, the Far East, Europe and around the world.
One terminates at the Rutherford Appleton laboratory at Harwell in Oxfordshire.
From each centre, further connections radiate out to a host of other research institutions using existing high-speed academic networks.
It means Britain alone has 8,000 servers on the grid system û so that any student or academic will theoretically be able to hook up to the grid rather than the internet from this autumn.
Ian Bird, project leader for CernÆs high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.
ôIt will lead to whatÆs known as cloud computing, where people keep all their information online and access it from anywhere,ö he said.
Computers on the grid can also transmit data at lightning speed. This will allow researchers facing heavy processing tasks to call on the assistance of thousands of other computers around the world. The aim is to eliminate the dreaded ôfrozen screenö experienced by internet users who ask their machine to handle too much information.
The real goal of the grid is, however, to work with the LHC in tracking down natureÆs most elusive particle, the Higgs boson. Predicted in theory but never yet found, the Higgs is supposed to be what gives matter mass.
The LHC has been designed to hunt out this particle - but even at optimum performance it will generate only a few thousand of the particles a year. Analysing the mountain of data will be such a large task that it will keep even the gridÆs huge capacity busy for years to come.
Although the grid itself is unlikely to be directly available to domestic internet users, many telecoms providers and businesses are already introducing its pioneering technologies. One of the most potent is so-called dynamic switching, which creates a dedicated channel for internet users trying to download large volumes of data such as films. In theory this would give a standard desktop computer the ability to download a movie in five seconds rather than the current three hours or so.
Additionally, the grid is being made available to dozens of other academic researchers including astronomers and molecular biologists.
It has already been used to help design new drugs against malaria, the mosquito-borne disease that kills 1m people worldwide each year. Researchers used the grid to analyse 140m compounds - a task that would have taken a standard internet-linked PC 420 years.
ôProjects like the grid will bring huge changes in business and society as well as science,ö Doyle said.
ôHolographic video conferencing is not that far away. Online gaming could evolve to include many thousands of people, and social networking could become the main way we communicate.
ôThe history of the internet shows you cannot predict its real impacts but we know they will be huge.ö
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |
Atropos Kahn
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:47:00 -
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html
'The Grid' Could Soon Make the Internet Obsolete
The Internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.
At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, ôthe gridö will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.
The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.
David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could ôrevolutioniseö society. ôWith this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,ö he said.
The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their ôred buttonö day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the new particle accelerator built to probe the origin of the universe. The grid will be activated at the same time to capture the data it generates.
Cern, based near Geneva, started the grid computing project seven years ago when researchers realised the LHC would generate annual data equivalent to 56m CDs - enough to make a stack 40 miles high.
This meant that scientists at Cern - where Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the web in 1989 - would no longer be able to use his creation for fear of causing a global collapse.
This is because the Internet has evolved by linking together a hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |
Atropos Kahn
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:47:00 -
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By contrast, the grid has been built with dedicated fibre optic cables and modern routing centres, meaning there are no outdated components to slow the deluge of data. The 55,000 servers already installed are expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.
Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the grid project, said: ôWe need so much processing power, there would even be an issue about getting enough electricity to run the computers if they were all at Cern. The only answer was a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research centres in other countries.ö
That network, in effect a parallel Internet, is now built, using fibre optic cables that run from Cern to 11 centres in the United States, Canada, the Far East, Europe and around the world.
One terminates at the Rutherford Appleton laboratory at Harwell in Oxfordshire.
From each centre, further connections radiate out to a host of other research institutions using existing high-speed academic networks.
It means Britain alone has 8,000 servers on the grid system û so that any student or academic will theoretically be able to hook up to the grid rather than the internet from this autumn.
Ian Bird, project leader for CernÆs high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.
ôIt will lead to whatÆs known as cloud computing, where people keep all their information online and access it from anywhere,ö he said.
Computers on the grid can also transmit data at lightning speed. This will allow researchers facing heavy processing tasks to call on the assistance of thousands of other computers around the world. The aim is to eliminate the dreaded ôfrozen screenö experienced by internet users who ask their machine to handle too much information.
The real goal of the grid is, however, to work with the LHC in tracking down natureÆs most elusive particle, the Higgs boson. Predicted in theory but never yet found, the Higgs is supposed to be what gives matter mass.
The LHC has been designed to hunt out this particle - but even at optimum performance it will generate only a few thousand of the particles a year. Analysing the mountain of data will be such a large task that it will keep even the gridÆs huge capacity busy for years to come.
Although the grid itself is unlikely to be directly available to domestic internet users, many telecoms providers and businesses are already introducing its pioneering technologies. One of the most potent is so-called dynamic switching, which creates a dedicated channel for internet users trying to download large volumes of data such as films. In theory this would give a standard desktop computer the ability to download a movie in five seconds rather than the current three hours or so.
Additionally, the grid is being made available to dozens of other academic researchers including astronomers and molecular biologists.
It has already been used to help design new drugs against malaria, the mosquito-borne disease that kills 1m people worldwide each year. Researchers used the grid to analyse 140m compounds - a task that would have taken a standard internet-linked PC 420 years.
ôProjects like the grid will bring huge changes in business and society as well as science,ö Doyle said.
ôHolographic video conferencing is not that far away. Online gaming could evolve to include many thousands of people, and social networking could become the main way we communicate.
ôThe history of the internet shows you cannot predict its real impacts but we know they will be huge.ö
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |
MotherMoon
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:48:00 -
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 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:48:00 -
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Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:51:00 -
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Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag.
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Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:51:00 -
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Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag.
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Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:52:00 -
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Probably would have called it The Matrix, but the Watchowski Bros. would have sued their butts off.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:52:00 -
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Probably would have called it The Matrix, but the Watchowski Bros. would have sued their butts off.
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Willow Whisp
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:02:00 -
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 Originally by: MotherMoon
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My Sig got pwnt by Cortes :( |
Willow Whisp
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
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My Sig got pwnt by Cortes :( |
Caldorous
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:03:00 -
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Linkifyed
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:03:00 -
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Linkifyed
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag.
^^This.
I also do not see how you could download a movie in seconds via this. I wonder if even CCP's lightning fast storage arrays could serve up that much data that fast (not to mention do it to hundreds or thousands of users at the same time).
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag.
^^This.
I also do not see how you could download a movie in seconds via this. I wonder if even CCP's lightning fast storage arrays could serve up that much data that fast (not to mention do it to hundreds or thousands of users at the same time).
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"Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Nicho Void
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:08:00 -
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...the Internet has evolved by linking together a hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission. By contrast, the grid has been built with dedicated fibre optic cables and modern routing centres
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't solve the problem...it simply moves the upper bounds of what it takes to lag the system. Fiber optic is still bound by the laws of physics.
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Analysing the mountain of data will be such a large task that it will keep even the gridÆs huge capacity busy for years to come.
So the supposedly lag-free, super computing grid system is going to be bogged down by a single project?
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We won't laugh at you... to your face...
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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:09:00 -
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Sensationalist garbage. Thanks Fox News.
And no, I don't watch CNN instead, you witless wonders.
I read my news in the intarweb. Besides, if it's real important, my friends or family will tell me.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:14:00 -
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By the time Skynet became self-aware it had spread into millions of computer servers across the planet. Ordinary computers in office buildings, dorm rooms; everywhere. It was software; in cyberspace. There was no system core; it could not be shutdown. The attack began at 6:18 PM, just as he said it would. Judgment Day, the day the human race was almost destroyed by the weapons they'd built to protect themselves. I should have realized it was never our destiny to stop Judgment Day, it was merely to survive it, together. The Terminator knew; he tried to tell us, but I didn't want to hear it. Maybe the future has been written. I don't know; all I know is what the Terminator taught me; never stop fighting. And I never will. The battle has just begun.
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Tarminic
Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag.
^^This.
I also do not see how you could download a movie in seconds via this. I wonder if even CCP's lightning fast storage arrays could serve up that much data that fast (not to mention do it to hundreds or thousands of users at the same time).
Skimming the article, I think the idea is that you pull the data from multiple locations at once P2P style - you don't need a source that can spool out data at 1GB/sec, you just need a hundred sources that when combined spew out data at 1GB/sec.
Even assuming that this remote processing power would meet or exceed the speeds of the connections linking each of EVE's nodes, this wouldn't help. EVE's primary lag-causers such as market lag and fleet battle lag (I believe) don't parallelize especially well, even assuming that it does, to prevent data from being faked or exploited you have to include redundant checks that would reduce the effectiveness of said distributed processing by at least 66% (by my guess, anyway - I would verify the data from at least 3 sources).
In short, this would be great in a lot of ways, but probably not for EVE.
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Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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jita pc232323
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Atropos Kahn
ôIt will lead to whatÆs known as cloud computing, where people keep all their information online and access it from anywhere,ö he said.
Cloud computing only works if you have a garuanteed connection to the 'cloud'. Given the relative instability of most current domestic network connections, you'd be running the risk of isolating yourself from your data.
Originally by: Atropos Kahn
Computers on the grid can also transmit data at lightning speed. This will allow researchers facing heavy processing tasks to call on the assistance of thousands of other computers around the world. The aim is to eliminate the dreaded ôfrozen screenö experienced by internet users who ask their machine to handle too much information.
A network is only as fast as its slowest connection. If you're accessing via the grid and the guy with the data you need is on dialup.....you'll still be waiting. Thats why many isp's are being criticised for their 'super fast broadband' deals. What many users fail to appreciate is the fact that their 'super fast' connection might be the fastest part of the equation.
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 07/04/2008 20:20:47
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Tarminic
Hate to tell you, but this wouldn't have an effect on the majority of EVE's server lag.
^^This.
I also do not see how you could download a movie in seconds via this. I wonder if even CCP's lightning fast storage arrays could serve up that much data that fast (not to mention do it to hundreds or thousands of users at the same time).
Its because the data is not stored in a single location. With 55,000 computers on the grid, each computer would be holding 1/55,000 of the data.
When you requested the information you would get 55,000 separate pieces of information all holding a part of the data that you needed. Since there would be little to no latency due to everything being fiber[which transmits data essentially at the speed of light] you would be able to receive information at terribly fast speeds utilizing the read speeds of those 55,000 computers.
Short answer: They built a really really really big super-computer/raid array and plugged it into a really big fiber optic cable.
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Spineker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Spineker on 07/04/2008 20:22:36
It doesn't really matter how fast you down load it for most of us it would still take sometime to write gigs of data to our hard drives so seconds is incorrect. Your PC then becomes the bottle neck just like no server could feed a movie in seconds alone your PC will not eat a movie in seconds.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Edited by: Spineker on 07/04/2008 20:22:36
It doesn't really matter how fast you down load it for most of us it would still take sometime to write gigs of data to our hard drives so seconds is incorrect. Your PC then becomes the bottle neck just like no server could feed a movie in seconds alone your PC will not eat a movie in seconds.
In the next decade or so we'll start switching from our hard drives with moving parts to Solid State memory that you see in things like flash drives - read/write time will be less of an issue then.
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Spineker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Spineker
Edited by: Spineker on 07/04/2008 20:22:36
It doesn't really matter how fast you down load it for most of us it would still take sometime to write gigs of data to our hard drives so seconds is incorrect. Your PC then becomes the bottle neck just like no server could feed a movie in seconds alone your PC will not eat a movie in seconds.
In the next decade or so we'll start switching from our hard drives with moving parts to Solid State memory that you see in things like flash drives - read/write time will be less of an issue then.
Yeah we are already buying our laptops from dell (Rugged type) and some have solid state drives. They are about equal to your average 5400rpm drive right now but they will get faster and faster and I don't see any reason they will not reach the speed of RAM some day.
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Kahrek Laume
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kahrek Laume on 07/04/2008 20:36:29
The era of the hard drive is slowly coming to a close, solid storage has reached proportions where it can replace existing hard drives and as time goes on you will see the typical hard drives being replaced by static media.
Kahrek Laume.
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Hexman
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:39:00 -
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great scot! they discovered bittorrent!
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Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pwett on 07/04/2008 20:39:42
Fiber optics has a fatal flaw - High user connectivity.
And Solid States, cheap as they get, have limited write cycles. Not so good for things with, you know, page files.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
By the time Skynet became self-aware it had spread into millions of computer servers across the planet. Ordinary computers in office buildings, dorm rooms; everywhere. It was software; in cyberspace. There was no system core; it could not be shutdown. The attack began at 6:18 PM, just as he said it would. Judgment Day, the day the human race was almost destroyed by the weapons they'd built to protect themselves. I should have realized it was never our destiny to stop Judgment Day, it was merely to survive it, together. The Terminator knew; he tried to tell us, but I didn't want to hear it. Maybe the future has been written. I don't know; all I know is what the Terminator taught me; never stop fighting. And I never will. The battle has just begun.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:46:00 -
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the other bottleneck besides the hard disk is the system bus on the motherboard and the network interface. these are probably more easily solved, however.
solid state hard disks will probably use a different technology than we find in current flash drives. they will more likely be some kind of persistent RAM, which exists today except is too expensive to be practical, compared to how cheap a 100 GB of normal hard disk is these days.
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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