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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.08 14:56:00 -
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CCP is the biggest offender of real money to isk sales due to game time codes.
And there goes someone who didn't read the devblog.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.08 15:36:00 -
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CCP can claim it is not the same thing all they want
They shouldn't even need to claim it - anyone with the dimmest glimmer of intelligence ought to be able to figure it out. Let's look at it from the perspective of the isk farmers.
GTC: You exchange some in game currency for a game time card.
RMT: You exchange some in game currency for real life cash.
Now, try to consider the different demand demographics for (a) EVE game time cards (b) Real life cash
Which do you think is more useful? Do you envision giant isk farming setups out there trying to amass billions of years worth of EVE GTC's?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.08 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 08/04/2008 15:42:45
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Do you think it is fair that 4 year old players with hundreds of billions of isk, people in 0.0 alliance which own Dyspro moons, or tech 2 BPOs, get to play Eve for free?
Sure. Just like it's fair that a guy who makes $200 an hour can fund his entire EVE subscription for a year in one hour of work, while guys who make $5 an hour will have to put in 36 hours of work to fund their EVE account for the year.
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They can say whatever they want, but I view it as the exact same thing
But it's not the exact same thing. From a buyers perspective, yes, you are paying real life $$ for more isk. Time = money, and people who have more time are always able to get more in game resources than those who don't, so this doesn't unduly worry me.
From a *sellers* perspective, being able to only get GTC's for your isk means at most, you'll earn enough isk to fund your account, and the motivation for massive isk farming teams to exist is *poof* gone, because EVE game time cards do not feed, clothe, or house them.
So it's 'just as bad' in one direction, and much much better in the other. This means that it is not the exact same thing.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.08 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 08/04/2008 15:46:04
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No one expects real life to be fair. An MMOG should be a level playing field.
It is a level playing field. You're confusing equality of outcomes with equality of opportunity.
Anyway, in both cases, you're complaining about something in the real world that has no effect in game at all. How people pay their EVE accounts is a real world activity. You've already stated that no one expects real life to be fair, so why are you complaining about 'fairness' in real life?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.08 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 08/04/2008 15:50:04
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
No one expects real life to be fair. An MMOG should be a level playing field.
No one expects EVE to be fair. It's right there on the promotional stickers.
That is true, but the main point he's missing is that paying your EVE subscription is a 'real life' activity, rather than an 'in game' activity. So if real life isn't fair, I fail to see why one should get upset that different methods of paying for your EVE subscription aren't 'fair'.
Remember, how someones subscription is paid has no effect whatsoever in game.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.10 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 10/04/2008 15:15:32
Edited by: Ulstan on 10/04/2008 15:14:46
This thread is far too long. The only reason for such length is that there are still some clueless lambs out there who don't get how economics work.
There will always be people who buy ISK with real life money. Always. You can never get rid of them or shut it off. All you can do is have them buy it in the least damaging way.
Remember prohibition? That turned out well, didn't it? How is the war on drugs going? Same concept here.
Now, let's look at it from the perspective of the isk farmers.
GTC: You exchange some in game currency for a game time card.
RMT: You exchange some in game currency for real life cash.
Now, try to consider the different demand demographics for (a) EVE game time cards (b) Real life cash
Which do you think is more useful? Do you envision giant isk farming setups out there trying to amass billions of years worth of EVE GTC's? If you can't get real life cash from in game currency, the motivation to have sweatshop isk farms is gone.
Exchanging isk for GTC = no isk farming.
Exchanging isk for RL $$ = massive isk farming.
Pick one.
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