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Ehata	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:35:00 - [1] I finally found a setup that navy apoc seems outperform abaddon in lv4 (against sansha, blood). That is to use pulse and afterburner. With navy apoc: 2 x LARII Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 2 x Heat Sink II 3 x Cap Recharger II 100MN Afterburner II 8 x Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I,Multifrequency L 3 x CCC it can reach 344m/s, and do 438 dps. While a similar fitted abaddon (need 2 Capacitor Power Relay II to keep cap stable, and no space for heat sink) can reach 320m/s, and 372 dps. I am very surprised by this founding.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:50:00 - [2] A normal apoc outperforms navy apoc. And your setup does not outperform a Abaddon either. -- Billion Isk Mission
Ehata	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Lord WarATron A normal apoc outperforms navy apoc. And your setup does not outperform a Abaddon either. The afterburner make up for the range difference, so navy apoc with heatsink better than normal apoc and abaddon.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:38:00 - [4] Have you even flown a single L4 mission so far? First of all, you should NEVER need two reppers. Never ever. Unless you do domi-style AFK crap. An AB does not come even close to make up for the range issues of pulse lasers on anything but a standard apoc. You have 2 BS orbiting you at 45 km each, in opposite directions (not a rare occurance). You have to burn to the first one, and after it dies, you have to turn around and burn back to the other one, PLUS a good part of the way you just went towards the first one and away from the second one. That is inefficiency at its highest. Also, a good mission Abaddon does upward of 700 dps with beams. Sure, that isn't cap stable, but cap stability is silly in most cases, and I am sure even a cap stable setup can get at the very least 500 dps. Tbh running missions with less than 600 is just meh. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Ehata	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:45:00 - [5] do not get angry, I just try to point out a certain scenario and fitting idea in which navy apoc > abaddon. I am still trying to sell my navy apoc in the mean time. Originally by: Leandro Salazar Have you even flown a single L4 mission so far?
Jill Antaris	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Jill Antaris on 09/04/2008 12:53:22 Well I run a AB, 2 Trackingcomps and 3 Heatsinks + 8 Mega Puls on the Abaddon, with only 1 Cap Rechager II and a CPR in the Lows plus 2 CCCs. With Xray the Fitting is nearly Cap stable, with Standard it is 100% Cap stable. T2 Range Rig and 2 Trackingcomps are realy the final Word in Puls Gank Fittings for Missions. Tears apart everything bigger than a Frig even in Orbit unwebbed at any Range. I switched to the Abaddon because the Navy Apoc/Apoc lacks the most importend thing for Level 4 Missions, DPS... ---------------------- Nerf Lasers! Thay need far to less CPU and Grid to Fit. Still using not enught Cap and do far to mutch Damage. O wait... they allready did... =(
Tharon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:54:00 - [7] Used the navy apoc some time ago until the paladin showed up. I did prefer it over the abaddon because it was so nice looking :) But a good fitting for the ship was: mega pulse t2 with scorch (45km optimal is enough in all cases,the amount of extra speed repays the crystals... Invention if you like to drop the cost even further) 1 large rep t2, 2 em 1 therm hardener (or 2 kin/1therm) 1 cap relay,3 heat sink the extra cap of the ship allows the use of 2 or 3 medslots for tracking comp/painter/webber or whatever you want (ab for example) all thogether this setup was going very fast through all missions a normal apoc will do the same today... beside the fact that you don¦t really need the range bonus since 45km is pretty good for almost everything (only some rats orbit at 48 which is no problem as well with falloff) regards Tharon
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Ehata do not get angry, I just try to point out a certain scenario and fitting idea in which navy apoc > abaddon. I am still trying to sell my navy apoc in the mean time. Originally by: Leandro Salazar Have you even flown a single L4 mission so far? Well I could probably point out a scenario and fitting where a Velator > Nightmare. So what? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Msobe	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Ehata do not get angry, I just try to point out a certain scenario and fitting idea in which navy apoc > abaddon. I am still trying to sell my navy apoc in the mean time. Originally by: Leandro Salazar Have you even flown a single L4 mission so far? Don't mistake direct honesty for anger. This is just a statement of fact. The navy apoc in any set up is inferior to the abaddon for lvl 4 missions. An AB doesn't compensate for lack of a range advantage - far from it. Both the normal Apoc and Abaddon can easily be set up for missions with the heat sinks, and both can get the range to do missions with out ever needing to move. (Apoc with pulse, abaddon with t2 pulse (scorch) or beams.) You post a crap set up for a Navy Apoc, then say that the Abaddon does even worse with the same crap set up, crippled even worse by the Abaddon's cap - in no way can you conclude that the Navy Apoc is superior to the Abaddon.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/04/2008 14:55:01 Originally by: Ehata certain scenario and fitting idea in which navy apoc > abaddon. I am still trying to sell my navy apoc in the mean time. And I bolded what I think is your motivation for this post. You want to sell what is regarded as probebly the worst battleship in game and hence you are putting together a crapfit in the hope someone thinks it decent and buys your navy apoc. Hate to break this to you, but Navy Apocs are total rubbish atm. Normal Apocs outclass them for both pvp and mission running and this will remain until CCP fix's the navy apoc. -- Billion Isk Mission
Ehata	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:24:00 - [11] In fact I am selling both navy apoc and abaddon, so argument against one of them automatic boost the sell of the other. Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/04/2008 14:55:01 Originally by: Ehata certain scenario and fitting idea in which navy apoc > abaddon. I am still trying to sell my navy apoc in the mean time. And I bolded what I think is your motivation for this post. You want to sell what is regarded as probebly the worst battleship in game and hence you are putting together a crapfit in the hope someone thinks it decent and buys your navy apoc. Hate to break this to you, but Navy Apocs are total rubbish atm. Normal Apocs outclass them for both pvp and mission running and this will remain until CCP fix's the navy apoc.
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Ehata it can reach 344m/s, and do 438 dps. While a similar fitted abaddon (need 2 Capacitor Power Relay II to keep cap stable, and no space for heat sink) can reach 320m/s, and 372 dps. I am very surprised by this founding. Fitting no heatsinks on the abaddon is your choice, it's not impossible. I always flew my abaddon with 2 heatsinks and the navy apoc can not keep up with that, even with 3 heatsinks fitted. Abaddon with 2 heatsinks, megapulse II and navy multifreq can reach over 900 dps, depending on your skills and implants of course.

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