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Gantrithor105
Caldari Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2008.04.09 19:39:00 -
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I'm trying to set up a ship that can withstand jamming, but I feel like it would help me to know how jamming works. How much of it is chance based.
For example... If I'm flying a mael w/ 21 ladar points, and someone puts 21 points on me, am I automatically jammed? or is there chance involved (I'd kinda assume there is)... If so, what's the equation to determine the chance of jamming?
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 09/04/2008 19:54:37
Originally by: Gantrithor105 I'm trying to set up a ship that can withstand jamming, but I feel like it would help me to know how jamming works. How much of it is chance based.
For example... If I'm flying a mael w/ 21 ladar points, and someone puts 21 points on me, am I automatically jammed? or is there chance involved (I'd kinda assume there is)... If so, what's the equation to determine the chance of jamming?
I don't know of anything out there that can jam for 21 points (each jammer works separaretly, it's not cumulative). But anyway, theoretically yes. If the jamming strength of an ecm module used on you is equal to or higher than your sensor strength it's 100% chance of you being jammed by it. If the jamming strength is half of your sensor strength, then it's 50%.
So, say a Rook (with good skills and 3 signal distortion amplifiers fitted) uses one of its jammers on you with 14 in jamming strength. That's about 66% of your sensor strength, so it's about 66% chance of you being jammed by it. If it puts 2 of them on you, that would be almost 89% chance that at least one of them would jam you (if my math is correct).
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Gantrithor105
Caldari Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2008.04.09 19:55:00 -
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Ah, I get it now, thanks
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Delichon
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Delichon on 09/04/2008 20:09:40 Useful things to know about jamming: 1) Perfect Falcon-Rook-Scorp has jam stregth of 14,2 (unless using Faction ECM) 2) Usually Jam ships have 2 jammers of each kind except Ammar OR Caldari (depends on a pilot) 2 Gal and 2 Matari jammers are a given. 3) A chance for you to get jammed by 1 jammer from perfect Falcon is 14,5/21= 66% 4) A chance for you to get jammed by 2 jammers are 90% 5) A chance to get jammed if the prefrect Falcon spends all his jammers on you (bearing in mind "2 of each kind" thingy) is about 99% 6) Range of a proper Falcon is 150 km+ 7) Proper Falcon can warp cloaked.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:15:00 -
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The first response was incorrect. 24 jamming strength on 24 sensor strength does NOT equal 100% chance of jam.
A jam strength of 24 is equal to 24 separate jamming attempts of strength 1. Therefore 24 points against 24 sensor strength results in 24 attempts with a 4.166% chance of jamming per attempt, resulting in a very high probability of jamming but not a guarantee.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 09/04/2008 20:25:42 Edited by: DubanFP on 09/04/2008 20:25:11
Originally by: Vitrael The first response was incorrect. 24 jamming strength on 24 sensor strength does NOT equal 100% chance of jam.
A jam strength of 24 is equal to 24 separate jamming attempts of strength 1. Therefore 24 points against 24 sensor strength results in 24 attempts with a 4.166% chance of jamming per attempt, resulting in a very high probability of jamming but not a guarantee.
Mind telling me how you calculate a decimal then? Not possible/practical. Sorry Vitrael = wrong, hanno & deli are right. _______________
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael The first response was incorrect. 24 jamming strength on 24 sensor strength does NOT equal 100% chance of jam.
A jam strength of 24 is equal to 24 separate jamming attempts of strength 1. Therefore 24 points against 24 sensor strength results in 24 attempts with a 4.166% chance of jamming per attempt, resulting in a very high probability of jamming but not a guarantee.
You have no clue how jamming works.
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Kraken Sra'vik
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 09/04/2008 20:27:13
Originally by: Vitrael The first response was incorrect. 24 jamming strength on 24 sensor strength does NOT equal 100% chance of jam.
A jam strength of 24 is equal to 24 separate jamming attempts of strength 1. Therefore 24 points against 24 sensor strength results in 24 attempts with a 4.166% chance of jamming per attempt, resulting in a very high probability of jamming but not a guarantee.
Mind telling me how you calculate a decimal then? Not possible/practical. Sorry Vitrael = wrong, hanno & deli are right. If you're jam strength is equal or greater then their signal strength they are jammed period.
Calculating decimals are not difficult... but Vit is definately wrong.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 09/04/2008 20:33:30
Originally by: Kraken Sra'vik Calculating decimals are not difficult... but Vit is definately wrong.
I meant with vit's system lol. 1/5th of an attempt to jam is not something you can do with simple math. _______________
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:46:00 -
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Yeah. I am definitely read wrong here. I should've specified that 24 jamming strength on one jammer against 24 sensor strength is a permajam. Of course this situation is impossible. I was talking about multiple jammers.
It's just important to remember that putting 24 points of jamming strength (say 6 points x 4) on a target with 24 sensor strength will not permajam it.
-Vit
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Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael
It's just important to remember that putting 24 points of jamming strength (say 6 points x 4) on a target with 24 sensor strength will not permajam it.
-Vit
Which is exactly what I said in my post.
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Delenda Cartago
Gemini Sun Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.09 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 09/04/2008 20:39:21
Originally by: Kraken Sra'vik Calculating decimals are not difficult... but Vit is definately wrong.
I meant with vit's system lol. 1/5th of an attempt to jam is not something you can do with simple math.
Edit: with a bit more thought ok yeah technically it is possible if you're using an exponent to do calculate all of the "attempts" in one formula.
Well math is the same, it doesn't matter if the number of "attempts" is integer or not.
e.g.:
2 attempts, 15% chance of success on each:
1 - ( (1 - 0,15) ^ 2 )
"2.15 attempts", 15% chance of success on each:
1 - ( (1 - 0,15) ^ 2.15 )
It's the same, not simpler, not more complex.
And it's not a matter "if" you use an exponent to calculate, because that's how you do it.
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