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goldiiee Bad Wolf Project High Sec Dropouts 0	Posted - 2012.03.11 13:54:00 - [1] - Quote Incursions are run by all types of ships, using many different tactics, the ISN community runs incursions in such a way that only the fast lock times and intense DPS afforded by the pirate faction ships can handle. I have been running with ISN for some time now ISK is better than great, the fleets are always polite, or downright sarcastic depending on the 'mood of the day". Great ISK, Great guys, and typing gc is local never gets old.
goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 0	Posted - 2012.05.02 08:19:00 - [2] - Quote Interesting that you say you were in an ISN fleet. The incident that I assume you are talking about happened 3 days ago in the Sib incursion if I remember right, and it was a public fleet not an ISN fleet screaming in local as they watched thier isk got up in smoke. If it had been an ISN fleet the battleships would have started a spider tank as we have doen countless times before and popped the niarja's then continued on as normal without even entering so much as a sigh in local.Ronin is guilty of being an incorigable troll but never a fool, this would not nor has it ever happened in an ISN fleet. I am sure EvE has a fiction section where stories are greatly appreciated and often read, find them and have fun.
goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 19:38:00 - [3] - Quote Did my first MoM site today took 14 minutes with a fleet of well trained t2 fitted ships. Never came close to losing any fleet members. Love a no stress no hassle fleet with nothing but ISK to show for it. ISN MoM fleet the best fleet.
goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 1	Posted - 2012.07.18 21:25:00 - [4] - Quote Nothing more to it. We had just heard of how hard they are and how there is always a collateral loss of at least one Logi, and therefore the cascade of whoever he was capping, and whoever he was repping, so on and so forth like all things in Eve we wanted to see if we could do it with no losses. Mission accomplished we now know that moms are easier than some of the assault site spawns that we alpha off the field before they get anywhere close to optimal. Sorry to say no evil overlord plot to take the Mom from every active incursion site. No masterminded plan to lure all the noobs in Empire into a fleet and make ISK from their labors. No we never thought we were the 'end all, be all' of the incursion community, and that everyone else would have to bow to our whim, due to some power given us by the self importance of our own minds. No for those people you need to look elsewhere, I would, but I have been banned from their channels and no longer have access to their inner circles. :) We 'ISN' and anyone that X'ed up with a T2 gun fit or a Logi 5 fit decided to go and see how well we could take down the incredibly difficult MOM site. Yes we were amazed. not at the difficulty but at the fact that we came with to many ships, seems 65 was overkill, 16 Logi's was overkill could have been easily done with 10 less DPS and a full wing of only 10 logi's. But since the site pays for 70 we brought anyone that wanted to see it done. Then we split the loot with anyone that wanted a piece of it smiled at the accomplishment and moved on to the next Incursion, enjoying the new blink in the wallet and the new friends we made in the process. Ideally we just wanted to see if it could be done. In the end we found out that our efforts were construed as some kind of takeover, and of course the knee-jerk reaction from those that felt threatened was to grab as many rumors and innuendo as possible and start a smear campaign. I guess I have rambled on long enough, But I would ask that you don't worry about ISN having some master plan but maybe look to find the reason that so many people want you to think we had a plan and why it bothered them enough to ban, smear, and ridicule, another group doing the same thing they do, only better. See Mountain Climb Mountain Look for Next Mountain
goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 3	Posted - 2012.07.19 14:57:00 - [5] - Quote Trying to figure out this logic. We asked for pilots to X up. We included anyone that wanted to fly in the fleet after we were sure the full quota of T2 gun pilots were in the fleet. TVP knew we were going for the Mom but their response was "Yeah right they never have the numbers" Or to be more exact Kamden Line > basically, whenever ISN starts talking about doing the Mom, they're full of **. Pro Engineer > guys just ignore what ISN are doing PopplerRo > i doubt they'll do it Followed by God complex comments like Pro Engineer > do not join the ISN mom fleet Comet Miner > dont join a fleet with a banned player like NGR Comet Miner > if you join an ilegal MOM fleet with NGR you will be banned. Tharkunn > who makes it illegal? Kirra Xeldon > unsactioned by TVp/BTL/or TDF Deithess > not approved by TVP/BTL or with formed by banned people Kirra Xeldon > What makes anything ilegal? people back an authority that decided these things. A momentary spot of reason Kamden Line > If ISN wants to do the Mom.....they can. Travis117 > pro engineer u still looking for guys? Travis117 > once the mom is dead the incursion is done right? Deithess > yes, they can But then back to the God complex Deithess > anybody who is flying in a illegal mom fleet will be banned from TVP/BTL/TDF Cygnus Vanusk > if you don't like the way things work you can always right-click, close chat Of course who canGÇÖt resist an opportunity to troll an entire community Keith Planck > ISN was actually formed after the original goonswarm group from the goonswarm members Keith Planck > when bricksqaud did the incurisons, they joined ISN too Keith Planck > Test alliance jumped in too Keith Planck > and now its just a giant ball of griefers The best part was this moment of disbelief [ 2012.07.17 18:26:05 ]Kamden Line > ISN is doing the Mom. [ 2012.07.17 18:26:14 ] Deithess > relax [ 2012.07.17 18:26:22 ] Kamden Line > They are actually doing the Mom. [ 2012.07.17 18:26:54 ] Zoom Bullet > wait [ 2012.07.17 18:27:02 ] Zoom Bullet > There popping the mom right now? Of course what they seem to have been thinking is "but I havenGÇÖt made 500k LP and 4 billion ISK yet." [ 2012.07.17 18:27:18 ] Kamden Line > Go to the Kundalini manifest, check d-scan. [ 2012.07.17 18:27:19 ] Kasai Hightower > 10% shields [ 2012.07.17 18:27:21 ] Herr Ronin > It is all LIES [ 2012.07.17 18:27:23 ] Zoom Bullet > I checking now [ 2012.07.17 18:27:26 ] Zoom Bullet > relax [ 2012.07.17 18:27:28 ] Zoom Bullet > ill go check [ 2012.07.17 18:27:43 ] Kasai Hightower > serenity and nomatech and all the TVP FCs are already here trying to be loot ninjas [ 2012.07.17 18:27:45 ] Kasai Hightower > just ask them [ 2012.07.17 18:28:11 ] Thror Ginkar > lt'es all take destroyers to loot their mom x) [ 2012.07.17 18:28:18 ] Zoom Bullet > 2 ships on kundalini gate [ 2012.07.17 18:28:22 ] Zoom Bullet > Dscanning now [ 2012.07.17 18:28:36 ] Zoom Bullet > CONFIRMED [ 2012.07.17 18:28:39 ] Nomatech > ISN is in Kundalini [ 2012.07.17 18:28:39 ] Zoom Bullet > MOM IS BEING POPED Seems like the problem would have fixed itself here if the TVP Fc's alts were able to 'ninja loot' the drop. But, even in that they failed. At this point all sense of order breaks down. Now you canGÇÖt have a proper Autocracy without control of the media. In Eve this means disinformation and restrict knowledge. [ 2012.07.17 18:45:23 ] DaiseyCutter > All are welcome to join ISN if their style is your preferred play style....goons come to mind [ 2012.07.17 18:46:21 ] DaiseyCutter > In TVP we have strived to grow the incursion community in concert with the other existing communities....In line with that, Nomatech did offer to work with Herr Ronin on our behalf and perhaps include them as their own separate community [ 2012.07.17 18:46:35 ] DaiseyCutter > they have declined [ 2012.07.17 18:47:02 ] DaiseyCutter > we sincerely hope you will choose to remain here but this is Eve and all are free to associate as they please Followed by widespread banning, thereby taking the GÇÿmaking up your own mindGÇÖ process out of the GÇÿdecision making processGÇÖ If you were banned you were no longer welcome, if you were not banned, you were very welcome. [ 2012.07.17 19:31:16 ] Rayala Classic > FYI, TVP has been banning people who are in ISN channels, not just people who were in the mom fleet today. We'd love to have you, join ISN Secondary if you get banned, but otherwise be advised that you might want to tread lightly for a while. [ 2012.07.17 19:36:15 ] Tardi Goxani > So what just happened with all the bans and stuff? WHere'd the incursion go? I think this guy had the best comment [ 2012.07.17 19:44:51 ] Sycotic Deninard > The drama is epic at times. To ensure they dish out a punishment [ 2012.07.17 19:48:25 ] Nekora > anyone got a list of who was in that fleet? [ 2012.07.17 19:49:20 ] Koji Yakusho > get the Gestapo to infiltrate isn and get a list of people I can only assume they had a list at that point because I was banned.** I never cease to be amazed by the number of people that cry out 'Liberty and Democracy' followed in short order by 'grab that guy and shut him up'
goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 10	Posted - 2012.07.23 06:39:00 - [6] - Quote Luscius Uta wrote: Chandra K'ailar wrote: Liscius Uta, ISN dont ask for the faction mods, if u cant afford u can go with t2. Altho the faction/deadspace mods are like an goal! Not a requirement, do your homework before u comment something or u will get trolled most of the times! No it's not a requirement - I really never claimed that it is, but it is something you'll find in ISN list of fittings...and here you are saying yourself that those mods are a goal. If you were to run incursions and make up to 2 billlion ISK a week wouldn't you want to protect your 'money maker' with a deadspace invul, and wouldn't it make sense to upgrade you damage mods so you can help complete sites quicker as a fleet? This is why any fit you ask to see in ISN is probally more exspensive than the average fit you would see in the local channel. Most members upgade their fits to what you see in the chat channel from a T2 equivalent. Then when the fitting list is refreshed we simply use the fits that are bieng used in the fleet by the pilots that are resonsible for the current ISK per hour, and the machines that earn it.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 18	Posted - 2012.08.01 22:08:00 - [7] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: Herr Ronin wrote: T3 Cruisers: T2 Guns, All Resistances Above 70% Curious...what T3 cruisers do you guys actually allow in fleet? Last I'd checked even the loki webber was losing popularity. Loki is still the prefered web/drone bunny use the Immobility subsystem to get 40 to 50 km webs, fit 3 or 4 fed navy webs and t2 autocannons or t2 arties. I personally prefer the 720 arties, the drones do most of the hardwork so spitting ammo the way 425s do is really not necessary. 'Hint; splitting the gun groups allows for changing drone targets quicker'. Most important is to have the loki subsystems trained to 5 for Defensive and Electronics ie; tank on the hull and range on webs. A more specific fit can be found in mail list 'ISN fitting' but if you have a better idea, then bring it to the chat and see if the FC is willing to give it a try. I Know, You 'know' everything, so this obviously wasn't directed at you.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 18	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:15:00 - [8] - Quote Zwo Zateki wrote: Stetson Eagle wrote: Out of curiosity, what are the isk/h figures looking like for you guys? I'd like a steady and consistent figure - comparable to let's say a sentry carrier doing Sanctums for 110-140 M / hour (bad case, good case). Approx. the same BUT: 1) If you have proper logistics and are not asleep chances of dying are very low. 2) Still, both in Incursions and Nullsec you've got to be very vigilant. In Incursions watch out for NPC aggro while in nullsec monitor secure channel. 3) It can take up to several hours to assemble a fleet. In incursions you depend on others. In Sanctums YOU decide when to farm and what to farm. 4) The best point about incursions is that you can relax and talk about life with fleet members. Relax, chat, earn ISK, train fleet combat skills. This does not apply to shiny fleets tho. Zwo after telling you 2 times to stop backseat FC'ing the fleet I gave up. Then the fleet members told you to stop backseat FC'ing and you chose to ignore them, and continued. Pretty sure you knew a boot was comming, if not, then your thicker than I thought. I Know, You 'know' everything, so this obviously wasn't directed at you.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 22	Posted - 2012.08.19 11:35:00 - [9] - Quote AKilla Sunday wrote: I have 2 toons with perfect logi skills for all 4 races. Wich logi is used for S and A tanks. Also can someone link incursion logi fits? there are several places that prefered fits can be found. For us just subscribe to our mailing list 'ISN fittings'. for a more general idea of what to fit try. http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=logistic and always remember that any fit you post will have it's fans and detractors. On a side note The new Vanguards require a codebreaker and a MWD on one logistics ship aloowing for both ore drop and hacking in different sites, so alternatlivelly having the ability to fit iether tracking links or the aformentioned hacking and mwd will make you invaluable to most fleets. Logistics are the keystone pilots in a fleet so it might take a while to get trusted persistence is often the best ammunition. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 22	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:15:00 - [10] - Quote Geljoran wrote: Any chance an up and coming logi pilot with Logi 5 and a low isk income stream (currently) could get in with this fitting? While they save up for the fits on the ISN mailing lists? [Basilisk, Logi T2's] 2x Large 'Regard' Power Projector 4x Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II EM Ward Field II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II 2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I 5x Light Shield Maintenance Bot I Open to suggestions, TS/Vent/Mumble not a problem. As I said before any logistic pilot trained to lvl5 is always a great asset to Incursion fleets, ideally the fit we use in ISN is a 5 rep 1 transfer fit. ther will ba alot of help getting you into the right ship for the job. Join 'ISN secondary' chat and i am sure there will be several members of our community there to help you get your ship ready. alternativlly other incursion communities will accept your as fitted, till you can earn the isk to fit it to the specs we require. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 22	Posted - 2012.08.24 19:37:00 - [11] - Quote I feel like a schoolboy that is getting punished for knowing the schoolyard bully. He has taken someone elseGÇÖs lunch money and now the whole class has to go without recess till he admits what he has done, but the big lug is to thickheaded to realize he is at fault. Through rumor control I have been told that TVP has decided to end all incursions to force ISN to run their incursion only and to pressure ISN management into accepting an GÇÿIncursion Community AgreementGÇÖ. Basically an agreement that requires ISN to not do MOM sites without leaving the ability to have the loot stolen by someoneGÇÖs alt or the site stolen by an overwhelming TVP fleet in a contest. either way GÇÿtheyGÇÖ, whoever GÇÿtheyGÇÖ are, want to know what, when, and where. More importantly they want to make a deal no one will take, as GÇÿtheyGÇÖ are fine with the Status Quo. The contempt TVP has of any Incursion runner not inside their scope of control is narcissistic and borderline egomaniacal. So they lash out blindly and hit everything but their target. If the latest rumor is anywhere in the scope of reality (funny word in a fantasy world) then the ISK per hour a TVP player will make vs. the ISK per hour an ISN member will make is pathetic. ISN fleet can grind the contestation control down to 0 in just under 5 hours with absolutely no help, making each fleet member 600 to 700million ISK. Best estimate for a HQ fleet in this amount of time is 250 million under ideal conditions. Conversely I have been messaged by a TVP-FC not long ago asking if ISN was coming to an incursion to grind it down as they had tried for 12 hours and been unable to make gains on an 18% constellation control. The basis for the latest drama incurred on our Incursion life is supposedly to make ISN bow to the will of the incursion community, Problem I have with this idea, is that I always thought GÇÿWeGÇÖ are the Incursion community, and that the 50 to 100 members I speak to every day would let me know if they thought ISN was doing something to interfere with their fun or ISK making. Intellectually I assume that the people I am talking to, and about are reasonable, intelligent, individuals. Reality proves me wrong almost every time and a seemingly vast majority of people would rather shoot their computer with a Megapulse laser than listen to reason. But here goes a little reason, egomaniacs should tune out now so they donGÇÖt waste any their time coming up with witty retorts that have no relevance. Incursion are primarily a way to make ISK to fund other ventures in EVE, some PLEXGÇÖing accounts others buying GÇÿpew pewGÇÖ ships for pirate and PVP action. Incursion themselves have little or no impact on gameplay and are of no concern for the vast majority of players in eve so taking down an incursion hurts nobody except the player that didnGÇÖt get to make a profit from the rat killing. Intuitive player capitalize on the communitiesGÇÖ needs of ammo, modules, and ships. Other players Capitalize on trust, setting the stage for drama and dissent allows them to use a community to gain riches and power without anyone being the wiser, GÇ£We are taking this MOM site to teach ISN whoGÇÖs in charge.GÇ¥ IsnGÇÖt the community in charge, and wouldnGÇÖt the community want to make ISK and then go do something else, not feed the ego of some guy that logs in only to scoop the loot then log back into his Nul sec Toon and ignore the community till the Empire Cyno that is Constellation control lets him know it is time to go get another payday. Believe it or not there are some players that have 4 GÇô 6 Toons in the MOM site when it goes down. Add that up and they are making more ISK in one site than many other will make in a week of waiting for fleet invites and grinding. This schoolyard Bully is telling us all he is in charge and he's looking out for your best interest, my only question:When has a bully ever looked out for anyone but himself. Individual Communities needs to look at who is getting the most, and decide if supporting those goals is in line with their own goals, then act accordingly. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 23	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:33:00 - [12] - Quote EFT Allstar wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14423503 That was so much fun can't wait to do it again. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 27	Posted - 2012.08.26 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: EFT Allstar wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14423503 How come there were no logi kills? They turn tail that quickly? Was it Noble dual boxing with his logi? No the logis were orbiting with me 'the only arty mach' at 45+ km so they were safe. Just needed a better target for my big ass guns that that little ass scimi. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 29	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:59:00 - [14] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: goldiiee wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: EFT Allstar wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14423503 How come there were no logi kills? They turn tail that quickly? Was it Noble dual boxing with his logi? No the logis were orbiting with me 'the only arty mach' at 45+ km so they were safe. Just needed a better target for my big ass guns that that little ass scimi. Live & learn... FW lo sec sounds like a bit too hotly contested to do Incursions for my taste... see the FW tears in GD about the same lo sec incursion popping up twice in a roll there? RNG is random! Only Funnier GD thread is the NULL sec tears thread about incursions being non consensual PvE lol Yeah I am sure the temptation to make that 'easy' ISK in Incursion sites, combined with the penaties to all ships, bounties, and effects add to that the need of many players to do something/anything leads to many a 'DOH!!' moment in EVE. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 29	Posted - 2012.08.27 19:46:00 - [15] - Quote Challu wrote: goldiiee, your tirade reminds me of the saying, "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" Open any book on game theory and you'll see why the ISN-TVP saga is continuing how it is. It is preferential for both parties to cooperate, but neither trusts the other (I'll leave it to others to assign fault for this) and so invariably one or the other defects. And irrespective of who you think defected first, it's been shown that the tit-for-tat strategy is best to pursue from a utility maximization point of view before both parties agree to cooperate. Reason and thought rarely are present here. I think a thesis on game theory could be written from the drama that happens here. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 32	Posted - 2012.09.05 17:49:00 - [16] - Quote Noble Stranger wrote: Please remind me ... Why exactly are we being dragged into this unnecessary bs with TVP? Yeah sure, HQs are fun, but VG/AS are way more profitable and we can't even get a decent contest out of TVP failfleets. Sure, 4 NRFs in a row and we're golden, but how often do we get that? ISN as a community enjoys both the ISK and the challenge 'Smirk' of Incursions. If you are a pilot with ISN 'doubtful' and have reservations about running HQ sites then voice those concerns on comms or during the pilot meetings. The ISk per hour on HQ sites are actually turning out quite nice well over 100 million an hour for the last few I was in. If you are a troll (Best guess) then you have no frame of reference to even make these comments. Otherwise you would then know when the call goes out to form up for HQ there is also the availability to keep running VG's. Noble Stranger wrote: Apart from that, this crap with us killing the mom-site is just alienating the community against us. ISN did not kill the Incursion early, we do what we are best at we run sites, contest sites, and make friends (Best friends in the game) with that goal in mind the Kundalini site is no different than any other site, waiting for the Incursion to withdraw allows time for all the communities to rally a fleet and get in there and contest us. No joke we enjoy this and look forward to it every time Noble Stranger wrote: All of this is just hurting profit and I have 4 accounts to plex. Again if you were actually an ISN pilot 4 Plexes would be easy ISK, I guess tripple boxing for a different group doesn't pay as well. (Probally the reason for this post in the first place) Noble Stranger wrote: Just because Ronin and Koda are 21 year old tards that seem to want to prove something or have gotten hold of the wrong textbook? Since you guessed the ages of Kodi and Ronin wrong, I would further note that you have never even spoke with them or for that matter on ISN comms at all. Noble Stranger wrote: This is childish. You are right about that this forum Post was childish guess your age is showing now. Your last point? PS: yes, this is an alt. Still need access to ISN-primary after all. Most important thing you wrote. If you were a pilot that flew with us then you be in ISN-Primary and you would have known the answers to all of these points and saved me the ten minutes of typing to answer them. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 38	Posted - 2012.09.08 20:32:00 - [17] - Quote Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: Jebsar wrote: We don't need any other incursion channel to pull recruits from, nor do we need any other channel to collect incursion LP pools. ISN SECONDARY: [19:15:52] ISN Management > ISN HQ fleet has 5 slots for ANY battleships that are properly tanked . Meta 4 turets / missles / you have it tanked . - bring it . [19:17:17] ISN Primary Pilot > ^ if no response here, should we post in incursion local? [19:20:51] ISN Management > ISN HQ fleet has 5 slots for ANY battleships that are properly tanked . Meta 4 turets / missles / you have it tanked . - bring it . [19:26:16] ISN Management > ISN HQ fleet has 5 slots for ANY battleships that are properly tanked . Meta 4 turets / missles / you have it tanked . - bring it . [19:51:33] ISN Management > ISN HQ fleet has 5 slots for ANY battleships that are properly tanked . Meta 4 turets / missles / you have it tanked . - bring it . [19:59:22] ISN Management > ISN HQ fleet has 5 slots for ANY battleships that are properly tanked . Meta 4 turets / missles / you have it tanked . - bring it . (15 minutes later, still no fleet running) How's that "we don't need nobody" philosophy working out for you guys? How about the "shiny faction BS only " philosophy? Also, can you please give us your ISK/hr efficiency numbers for the above logged hour? Well besides bieng wrong about the fleet operation status, This was an attempt to invite toons with substandard skills and substandard ships so they can make isk and see how easily it can be done. Allowing 5 of these in a fleet should not affect the ISK/HR thus our dedicated primary members are not affected, and it allow us to sculpture new members the way we allways have. I have never ran with TVP, I was picked flying while flying a maelstrom in a pub fleet. I trained for 5 more days to get a Mach, and paid for it with isk earned while flying with ISN 8 Months ago. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 38	Posted - 2012.09.09 09:45:00 - [18] - Quote Elistea wrote: Does ISN runs armor fleets? Not in high sec. Guess i should add to that, We run shield fleets exclusively in high sec, since the 'know vs unkown' variables in high sec never change. A single deadspace shield module is often all that is required for tank on many Incursion sites, allowing for dammage mods and tracking/scan res mods to be used in all remaining slots. Getting it done is easy, dealing with drama not so much.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 38	Posted - 2012.09.10 02:42:00 - [19] - Quote Had to type this out three times, kept changing my mind and deleting it. I feel a little bad every time we win a contest; I know the other fleet is full of guys just like me. Correction GÇÿguys and galsGÇÖ that like to look at their wallet at the end of the night, they like to see that they have succeeded in making a positive difference in their conquest of EVE. If I think about it enough I get sad at first, then angry. TVP or for that matter any other community that runs Incursions should find a type of site that they a good at and run them. NO you are not good at HQGÇÖs and MOMGÇÖs you just throw enough bodies at it that it dies, and enough of those bodies survive to make it almost profitable. I am sure they think we travel around the system looking for contests, We donGÇÖt, I am sure they think we find it funny that we made it all and they made nothing, We donGÇÖt. I am sure they think a lot of thing, Most of them wrong. My advice, VG systems are relatively abandoned during ISN peak times, Take 9 or 11 of your friends to the closest VG system. Start with the NMCGÇÖs as they are the easiest VG sites bring 3 logistics till you get the hang of it then you can trim down to 2 logistics. Do one wave at a time and make sure your ready for the next wave when you pop the last ship in a spawn. Do these till your eyes bleed then do them some more. You will get an occasional contest. You will lose a few, but more importantly, eventually, you will not lose. We know, because we did this, the average ISN pilot has earned well over 20 billion ISK running VG sites. They have lost time and contests, they have given up on other ventures and training time, to do this GÇÿone thingGÇÖ and to do it perfectly. They have earned their stripes. These same pilots moved to assaults during the Nerf. When the other communities grouped up and moved to HQGÇÖs exclusively. In assaults we learned how to maximize logistics and minimize risk, at the same time we trained the pilots to follow the kill orders and make the most of every shot, and most of all we perfected the fits to allow the needed buffer without sacrificing the purpose of a gun boat GÇÿThe GunsGÇÖ. It should be noted that all of us started with a T2 fit, T1 rigged, Pirate Faction BS, the rest comes from hard work and reinvesting. Our pilots reinvest in there Toon as well; very few ISN Toons will be found without a full set of +6% damage implants, many with 6% engineering implants as well, to allow the super tight ship fits to work. An ISN clone can easily outstrip most EVE ships in cost. All these sacrifices have earned them the right to take the HQ sites by storm, We donGÇÖt want to own Incursions, We donGÇÖt want to kill any communities, we want to do all sites, in all systems, perfectly, as a team. If we land on the same site as another fleet we are not stalking, the answer is simple; it was the closest site to the last one we finished. I am sorry you lost the contest, and I am truly sorry that your FC or community leader didnGÇÖt properly prepare you, or themselves for these type of sites. I canGÇÖt repay the ISK you lost in any meaningful way. But I can give this advice; start from the beginning, GÇÿVGGÇÖsGÇÖ there is unlimited ISK available here, all you need, some good friends, and a little time. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 44	Posted - 2012.09.11 16:21:00 - [20] - Quote Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: I realized that one other important point was brought up at the meeting that I completely forgot to cover, and another point which was not addressed at the meeting. Yada Yada Yada and more Yada yada yada and then a litlle more Yada yada yada . I Agree with many or your conclusions, I might even have found common ground and been inclined to help communicate your desires. Unfortunately your previous post, your war decs, your trolling, and your persistent use of an Alt to further an agenda, makes me doubt if you are even an incursion runner, 3 to 1 odds, youGÇÖre a troll and spend all your time in a WH bored out of your mind looking to get a rise out of anything you can. Man up and do something. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 45	Posted - 2012.09.11 19:48:00 - [21] - Quote Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: goldiiee wrote: Roxxo I'doCocaine wrote: I realized that one other important point was brought up at the meeting that I completely forgot to cover, and another point which was not addressed at the meeting. Yada Yada Yada and more Yada yada yada and then a litlle more Yada yada yada . I Agree with many or your conclusions, @ mocking what I said by reducing it to "yada yada yada" and then agreeing with most of it in the next line. Funny stuff! Not sure you quite grasp the whole concept of mockery. goldiiee wrote: Unfortunately your previous post, your war decs, your trolling, and your persistent use of an Alt to further an agenda, makes me doubt if you are even an incursion runner, 3 to 1 odds, youGÇÖre a troll and spend all your time in a WH bored out of your mind looking to get a rise out of anything you can. Man up and do something. How about a friendly wager then? I will take your bet, and you're gonna regret, cause I'm.... oh never mind. But seriously, 3 to 1 odds that I'm "not even an incursion runner?" It's a bet. Let's make the wager....3 billion ISK. If I am not an incursion runner, I will pay you 3 billion ISK. If I am, you will pay me 9 billion ISK. We'll deposit our funds with Chribba as the third party ISK holder and judge. I will submit my main's API to Chribba who will keep it confidential, check it, decide if I run incursions at all, and pay the winner. So, man up and bet? I don't bet on anything, Gambling is a waste of money. Know quanities and absolutes, make me happy. But if you need isk X up, get in a fleet and earn it. And I wasn't mocking, I was getting rid of all the text that I am sure everyone had read already. I reviewed as many of your post as I could stand, you go from one extreeme to another, so much that I can only assume medication is involved. Not judging, just saying you scream for so many things I have forgotten what you wanted in the first place. You hate ISN: your first post called for all pilots to declare war and grief ISN managment/officers/members. The next post I find you want to influence the views of ISN in our members meeting. Then we get a useless post of music lyrics. Upon hearing the ISN meeting you remove your first post and seem to agree with the general direction of the community. But low an behold less than a day later you have flipped back to HATE ISN. Now it seems you want to make a wager on the validity of your existence. You should probally have a convo with Descartes. Interestingly all your posts are in ISN's Forum so you really don't talk to anyone but ISN about the fact that ISN bothers you. Ok, Really if your on drugs stop. If your not on drugs seek professional help and get some. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 45	Posted - 2012.09.11 19:56:00 - [22] - Quote And It should be noted that ISN has never booted banned or in any way excluded an Incursion runner for affiliation. The only thing we required was t2 guns and a pirate faction BS. So your fears of bieng outed by ISN if your true Identity was know are unfounded on our end. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 45	Posted - 2012.09.11 20:16:00 - [23] - Quote I just dont care anymore. I will do my best to reserve my comments for old members and toons with questions. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 46	Posted - 2012.09.11 23:17:00 - [24] - Quote Kodavor wrote: Kodavor wrote: Kodavor wrote: Roxxo I'doCocaineis not a ISN pilot and have never been in any ISN fleet . Anything that is written by him is completely made up or gathered among the rumors of many mouths . For some odd reasons this person seems to be bored and chose this thread to ease his boredom . Free bump is a free bump . Thank you . Best regards Kodavor A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 52	Posted - 2012.09.17 00:29:00 - [25] - Quote Scrwloose wrote: I had a feeling you'd say that. I'm finishing up the prereq's for med projectiles (which are preferred, arties or autocannons?) and finished maxing the last Minnie subsystem just over a week ago. I'm close to T2 med guns. Time to go shopping again.... What am I looking for on subsystems? Or is there an easy link to shoot me for suggested fittings in general? I'm new ot the rust and duct tape game! ....err.... i mean grr! grumble! no help here! buncha ****s. robble robble. I am sure there are many ways to get 5 webs on a ship. This looks like a good start. with perfect skills and a perfect Off grid booster, (standard in ISN fleets) the resists on this work fine. the rigs are entirelly up to you I was just playing around and figured drone rigs for drone commander. A little buffer for the shield, and some lock speed for the targeting, But like I said I am sure something better could be made. [Loki, VG Webber] Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization 5x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II (Quake M) Auto Targeting System II 5x Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Damage Control II 3x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Medium Targeting System Subcontroller II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor II 10x Warrior II A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 52	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:06:00 - [26] - Quote Kaylee Rei wrote: Share it Maybe? www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qTIGg3I5y8 Mystery Box www.youtube.com/watch?v=shbgRyColvE - KR Oh god havent laughed that hard in ages. Guess I need to tune into sesame street for some laugh therapy more often. Thanks Kaylee .... you got cookie s,o share it maybe A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 52	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:11:00 - [27] - Quote Metellus Scipio wrote: I'm tired of running missions in npc null and want to get into incursions, what is a good machariel fit to generally get in fleets? I join the ISN mailing list and it says make your own :) . I have done a few null sec incursions with my old allaince just to clear them out. Thanks for any help Fit 1400 arties, add one or more invuls to get your resists as close to 70% as possible and fit the rest for tracking and dammage. i use two sebos and two tracking comp's personally. unless we are doing assaults or hq's then we throw on some more buffer or more resists as appropriate. oh an one last thing pack a 100mn MWD, comes in handy for a few sites. Hope to see you in there. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 52	Posted - 2012.09.19 23:11:00 - [28] - Quote Metellus Scipio wrote: I had a blast bursting my high-sec incursion cherry in 4Manimal's and Dedri's fleets for about an hour last night. Took a while to get into a fleet, but once I did it was like a well oiled machine. Thanks Glad you had a great time, getting the first invite always takes the longest. Now it is just make the iskies and have fun. Hope to see you in there sometime. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 52	Posted - 2012.09.21 09:37:00 - [29] - Quote Travis117 wrote: Im thinking about trying out running HQ's with ISN , what would you say is the average sites per hour isn completes? In HQ's we get 4 sites an hour in, that is if everything is working right. 3 site an hour when spend time improvising. Strangely enough we do 4 an hour when we switch to boxes (we bring in most of the DPS alts). So on average i would say 100 mil an hour, allows for a few 120 mil hours and a few 90 mil hours. When we get to light to do HQ's we switch to Assaults where we make a solid 120 mil an hour. and when we lose the numbers to do those we drop to Vanguards where we tend to average a 120 mil an hour. I guess what I'm saying is that regardless of the sites we are running you can expect 100 mil an hour at least. OH unless we do the mom then that hour jumps up to 150 mil at least. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 53	Posted - 2012.09.25 05:21:00 - [30] - Quote Tobilth Kring wrote: goldiiee wrote: Travis117 wrote: Im thinking about trying out running HQ's with ISN , what would you say is the average sites per hour isn completes? In HQ's we get 4 sites an hour in, that is if everything is working right. 3 site an hour when spend time improvising. Strangely enough we do 4 an hour when we switch to boxes (we bring in most of the DPS alts). So on average i would say 100 mil an hour, allows for a few 120 mil hours and a few 90 mil hours. When we get to light to do HQ's we switch to Assaults where we make a solid 120 mil an hour. and when we lose the numbers to do those we drop to Vanguards where we tend to average a 120 mil an hour. I guess what I'm saying is that regardless of the sites we are running you can expect 100 mil an hour at least. OH unless we do the mom then that hour jumps up to 150 mil at least. have to ask 100 mil with or without taking into account lp? Not including LP. Since Lp has such a variable value it is almost impossible to add LP into an hourly rate. A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 54	Posted - 2012.10.13 21:06:00 - [31] - Quote I just survived a rather long drawn out conversation about the inequality of shiny vs. standard fleets and the nature of contests. So I felt like this was a safe place to vent/rant. First I get losing contests sucks GÇÿall that work and no payGÇÖ and I get how it might seem like you lost cause we spent more ISK on our ships. But I would counter that it has nothing to do with ISK. DonGÇÖt believe me just download and install EFT, EVEHQ or any number of other EVE fitting tools and do this yourself: take your pilot and put it in the pirate faction ship, use T2 guns and faction ammo, add faction gyros/heat sinks, and look at the total DPS you can do with your Toon in my ship. If your using and artillery Mach you should be doing just over 1000 DPS, an Auto-cannon Mach 1400 DPS. If youGÇÖre not then there is no amount of ISK that can get you there, just training. So the reason you lost the contest and the reason you are grumbling about your wallet and time wasted in the game has nothing to do with me and my friends expensive ship, You chose to train mining barge to lvl5 and made it a point to get all the ships of every faction trained before training the accruements for those particular ships. Your choices in the game are the reason you have not attained the status and capabilities you desire. Not to worry this is easily fixed. Decide on a damage type, weigh the pros and cons, set a training Que, and wait for it to complete. Then train the next item on the list and donGÇÖt stop till the Elite certificate has been awarded. You wonGÇÖt regret it. Yes this was a rather short rant, and hopefully the Toon that got me fired up enough to write it will read it (Most likely not). A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 54	Posted - 2012.11.05 16:00:00 - [32] - Quote RIGHT! A Lion does not concern itself with the opinions of Sheep.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 64	Posted - 2012.11.08 20:30:00 - [33] - Quote ? is this some kind of joke? troll ? or just lack of imagination? There is no "I" in "team." but there are 5 in "narcissistic personality disorder."
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 64	Posted - 2012.11.09 08:04:00 - [34] - Quote Herr Ronin has decided to stop playing EVE and pursue a life :) He left us with a string of practical jokes and this is one of them. ISN is still ISN and you can still locate us in chat 'ISN Secondary' I have some real life things to take care of but i will try to get as many of these 'Jokes' straight as possible later today There is no "I" in "team." but there are 5 in "narcissistic personality disorder."
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 66	Posted - 2012.11.10 21:24:00 - [35] - Quote Snatch Pinion wrote: Herr Ronin sold his toon off to another incursion community pilot. The toon Herr Ronin no longer has anything to do with ISN in the slightest regard. edit: other than the fact that they steal our recruiting propaganda like they did our fittings and fleet compositions. then again, who can blame them, ISN is the best at all these things. They must have learned leadership from the recent US elections. :) There is no "I" in "team." but there are 5 in "narcissistic personality disorder."

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