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Tacyon
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Posted - 2008.04.13 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tacyon on 13/04/2008 13:49:54
I have one thing to say:
Zurrar for dev!
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 17:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Karlemgne
Like what? As it stands today such a change would completely eliminate all non-consensual pvp in low-sec. Period.
One way is the idea presented in the thread at the URL in my signature, though warn it is a long read. There are other options as well.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Hannobaal
Gates are a perfectly working game mechanic. No need to fix what isn't broken.
Subjective statements do not create facts
Originally by: Cpt Branko
The necessity to prove they're broken lies with the people saying they're broken.
If this were a debate about a fact, then yes, the burden of proof would rest upon those that say they are broken, however this is not a debate about fact. The premise if the argument is subjective, and all counter arguments are also subjective. The debate should focus on the merits or lack of merits.
Originally by: Cpt Branko
That said, there MUST be a way to intercept traffic. Gates do this just fine. You can break them up by force or avoid them via scouts, which makes them very balanced too.
Yes, there must be a way to intercept traffic, that however does not require that all traffic be forced to a little doorway. There are other options.
Originally by: Cpt Branko
The fact you don't like them and they don't fit your vision of how EvE should work is your own bloody problem. I mean, it fits the dev vision of how it should work quite neatly. Because they've done it that way and never ever said a word about changing how gates work.
Yes, it is my problem, I am however not alone. Lots of people do not like them. And does it fit the dev vision about how space should work, really? Once upon a time Eve did not have gates, it fit the dev vision too then, by your logic. They added gates to force people into the same place, to force combat - that is what the devs wanted, conflict and ships going boom. There are ways to force conflict and ships going boom with out gates. Gates are a means to an end, there are other means.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.04.13 17:57:00 -
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For low sec this COULD be possible, even though I don't like it.
For 0.0 it completely breaks it. When somebody claims sov, it's their system. When they put up a gatecamp to protect their system, and with your proposal, they can completely bypass that. In low sec, it gives the carebear the major advantage. But in 0.0 it completely gives the raiding pvp'er the advantage.
I ain't going for it.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Wayson
Minmatar
Trans Nebula Inc.
The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:13:00 -
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Gatecamps are the devil. I get the impression that many of the 0.0 and 'Yarr!' folks support them, for defensive and offensive purposes respectively, but... for god's sake. They're a ridiculous artificial limit on travel. Especially at the (very few!) routes to 0.0.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:23:00 -
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The simple way to fix this 'problem' would be to have multiple gates, instead of 1 gate rens to jita (sic) have 5 gates rens to jita. And an increase in routes into 0.0 would be nice :). Then i could pop carebear miners without concord jumping on me as the greedy buggers will be mining in 0.0 for the good stuff as they'll have a chance of getting in and out of lowsec without being raped. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar
As it stands most of eves fighting takes place at gates. Its a tactic and that is used, let the enemy Agro and jump threw ect. This is where the low sec part of eve loses, pirates camping the gates that any player entering the system 'spawns' at. This is similar to spawn camping in most other games. Why not change the way gates operate. From my understanding gates operate by launching the ship to the next system, and not transporting them threw gate to gate. Why not have random points that the star gate will launch ships into, away from the gates. These would be similar to the high lag 'emergency' warps that some people have when jumping systems. This would 1. eliminate gate camps as they are and 2. make ops in a system more in depth. Gang members would be launched to the same point, ships would no longer be cloaked when entering systems. Probe ships that are good at what they do and can scram would be very use full here.
The *only* reason gate camps exist is because there's no other way to kill people. If there were, they wouldn't be needed. The gate camps that is. 
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HYT gangster
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:38:00 -
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so you want ccp to screw piracy over just that little bit more.
HELL NO I WANT MOE!!!!
that would be ******** its hard enuff to pirate things atm as it is . doing that would mean there would be bugger all to kill for us pirates.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: HYT gangster
so you want ccp to screw piracy over just that little bit more.
HELL NO I WANT MOE!!!!
that would be ******** its hard enuff to pirate things atm as it is . doing that would mean there would be bugger all to kill for us pirates.
No gates means no gate guns, no gate guns means solo piracy can come back. Depending on the mechanincs, no gates could mean more piracy. What matters in the debate about getting rid of gates is the mechanics that replace gates.
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.04.13 22:15:00 -
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Its extremely tuff to fly light in low sec. Flying light is what newer players should be doing. I have no clue how they'd go about fixing it but as a person that just come to this game in the last year I see it as a problem.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.13 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: HYT gangster
so you want ccp to screw piracy over just that little bit more.
HELL NO I WANT MOE!!!!
that would be ******** its hard enuff to pirate things atm as it is . doing that would mean there would be bugger all to kill for us pirates.
No gates means no gate guns, no gate guns means solo piracy can come back. Depending on the mechanincs, no gates could mean more piracy. What matters in the debate about getting rid of gates is the mechanics that replace gates.
No, it wouldn't. It would mean nanos would come to low sec. Bad idea.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.04.19 16:28:00 -
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brb being launched through losec in complete safety
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