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Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:15:00 - [1] I present to you... The Salvage Onyx!!! I too find the Destroyer unsuitable for my salvage needs, so I started looking around at alternatives, and this is what I ended up with (not in the literal sense...I don't have Propulsion Jamming 5...will train it now though :). This also works with a Broadsword. Drawbacks: 1 less salvage rig, high ships cost (ISK and skills) 2 less high slots Advantages: Faster, more cargo, can fit a decent tank, can be cap stable Rigs: 2x Salvage rigs 'natch High: 6 tractors / salvages in your combination of choice. Low: 4x Cargo Expander II Med: You have a lot to play with. You can fit a 10MN and 100MN afterburner (or 10MN and MWD), a Cap recharger (2 if you want to be cap stable basically no matter what) and two Invuln. Field II's, or rat hardeners. With 2x Cap recharger, 2x Invuln, 10MN and 100MN burners: Total cargo: = 1189 Speed: 174 base, 384 with 10MN or 842 with 100MN Resists: EM = 61.2, Therm = 92.2, Kin = 88.4, Expl = 84.5 Cap stable unless both the 100MN and the hardeners as well as all 6 salvagers / tractors are running at once. Not bad huh? Expensive and skill intensive (if you don't already drive a HIC), but much better than a destroyer.
Donde Esta	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:17:00 - [2] geddon is cheaper
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Donde Esta geddon is cheaper Slower though, is it not?
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark Originally by: Donde Esta geddon is cheaper Slower though, is it not? I was doing like 1000 in my geddon with an mwd when I used it to salvage/loot. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Ice Queen1 Gallente Knights Of The Void	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:46:00 - [5] I prefer the Brutix...can hold just over 1300m3 Dont need tank when salvaging after a mission Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Koramaur Gallente Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.10 20:59:00 - [6] Eris. Cheaper, faster.. possibly slightly less cargo.
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Koramaur Eris. Cheaper, faster.. possibly slightly less cargo. Cheaper maybe. Faster? With a 1MN Afterburner (the 10MN doesn't fit due to grid) it only goes 587. You could fit a 10MN with a fitting mod, but then you would lose more cargo (already only has 1057). Also the cap only last 1m 37s with a cap recharger II, even with no afterburner running.
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark Originally by: Donde Esta geddon is cheaper Slower though, is it not? I was doing like 1000 in my geddon with an mwd when I used it to salvage/loot. MWD don't work in all mission area's, and the speed with an afterburner is not very good.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark Originally by: Donde Esta geddon is cheaper Slower though, is it not? I was doing like 1000 in my geddon with an mwd when I used it to salvage/loot. MWD don't work in all mission area's, and the speed with an afterburner is not very good. Bookmark the mission location, finish it, turn it in to the agent. Warp to the bookmark - the deadspace will be gone, along with the structures and such, but the wrecks will still be there. __________________________________
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Ice Queen1 I prefer the Brutix...can hold just over 1300m3 Dont need tank when salvaging after a mission If you don't need the tank, you can do basically the same setup above with a Cerb. You get (cap stable) speed of 781, a cargo of 1781. Couple mid slots let for whatever. A Sacrilege is even better actually. Speed of 876, cargo of 2072. Also cap stable with free mid slots.
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Terianna Eri Bookmark the mission location, finish it, turn it in to the agent. Warp to the bookmark - the deadspace will be gone, along with the structures and such, but the wrecks will still be there. Oh, didn't know the wrecks stayed. That certainly makes the 'Geddon etc more viable.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:17:00 - [12] maybe it's a good idea but i can't help chuckle when i hear an idea that involves a ship that can among other things tackle a mothership being used for salvaging. also the price difference: destroyer: 1-2m onyx: 90-100m tbh i think when you'll get it you'll probably be flying into combat with it more than you will actually salvage with it, but if you are the ultimate carebear sounds like fun rofl. no seriously, it's allways funny to see new ideas, it's a fresh take on hictors and i'm quite sure it can salvage pretty nicely lmao, try it out let us know how it goes man :)
Koramaur Gallente Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark Originally by: Koramaur Eris. Cheaper, faster.. possibly slightly less cargo. Cheaper maybe. Faster? With a 1MN Afterburner (the 10MN doesn't fit due to grid) it only goes 587. You could fit a 10MN with a fitting mod, but then you would lose more cargo (already only has 1057). Also the cap only last 1m 37s with a cap recharger II, even with no afterburner running. Touche. However, to pay 85mil for a SALVAGING ship? I've salvaged missions in a Catalyst and more often than not it didn't even need the cargo space. So realistically you don't NEED to spend 85 mil for a ship because it really won't PAY off itself compared to a destroyer or Eris for many, many many missions. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Koramaur Touche. However, to pay 85mil for a SALVAGING ship? I've salvaged missions in a Catalyst and more often than not it didn't even need the cargo space. So realistically you don't NEED to spend 85 mil for a ship because it really won't PAY off itself compared to a destroyer or Eris for many, many many missions. Whatever floats your boat I guess. True. This is for those people who are trying to decide between their 3-4th 1 bil ISK faction module for their navy raven. Very little justification is spending for even a battleship to salvage in unless you already have a bit too much money.
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:31:00 - [15] Okay, little sidetrack but Lets say, I got all my salvage skills to 4 and I have 3 t1 salvage rigs on my ship. What kind of stuff can I expect from 0.0 rats/anamolies/sites Amarr is the tank OR gank race. Not the tank and gank race.
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:32:00 - [16] Originally by: 7shining7one7 no seriously, it's allways funny to see new ideas, it's a fresh take on hictors and i'm quite sure it can salvage pretty nicely lmao, try it out let us know how it goes man :) If I do train Propulsion Jamming 5 I will...I don't think I will put the salvage rigs on it, but if you are willing to do without the rigs it might be worth it if you fly a HIC for PVP to double duty it. Or, as I already replied to someone else, if you are buying a 1 bil ISK shield booster to put on your 750 m ISK ship, maybe 85 M for your salvage vessel isn't that big a deal. Also, If you aren't a "carebear" you probably don't want a salvage ship anyway, so who cares?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:35:00 - [17] Doesn't a common salvagecane beat this by a huge margin? And if you really wanna salvage in style, you get a Marauder. Not a HIC. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
TerrorBaBy Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:45:00 - [18] Harbinger: 4x Tractor Beams, 4x Salvagers 10mn MWD 2, Mixture of large cap batteries and rechargers (whatever gives you best cap recharge) 6x Cargo expander 2s Can run the mwd constantly (set speed for about 700ms I find works well) and you can just fly around large can fields dragging up to 4 cans whilst salvaging them. Works amazingly well.
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:53:00 - [19] Edited by: Gul Rashen on 10/04/2008 21:53:05 Yipp, take a Cane(my favorite Loot/Salvageship), much cheaper, less Skills and: 2041m¦ Cargo 4 Salvager 4 Tractors 375m/s with AB Capstable with all Modules running 3 free Medslots for Stuff 3 Rigslots for what you like But if you wanna spent so much Skills and Money take a Marauder. For Example you can get >6000m¦ cargo with > 300m/s or (if you don't need so much Cargo) >2000m¦ with >500m/s. Also 7 Highslots, 2 Rigslots and Capstable.
Verrain Ravenlark	Posted - 2008.04.10 23:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Gul Rashen Edited by: Gul Rashen on 10/04/2008 21:53:05 Yipp, take a Cane(my favorite Loot/Salvageship), much cheaper, less Skills and: 2041m¦ Cargo 4 Salvager 4 Tractors 375m/s with AB Capstable with all Modules running 3 free Medslots for Stuff 3 Rigslots for what you like But if you wanna spent so much Skills and Money take a Marauder. For Example you can get >6000m¦ cargo with > 300m/s or (if you don't need so much Cargo) >2000m¦ with >500m/s. Also 7 Highslots, 2 Rigslots and Capstable. The speed limit of 375 is okay, but annoying if you are clearing multiple rooms; I get bored easily :) As for the few marauder comments; it's true. Why spend 2m for s destroyer when you can spend 85 of a HIC, and why spend 85 on a HIC when you can spend 750 m on a Marauder? I guess it just depends on your level of cash. Gotta spend it on something
Moridan Caldari GalacTECH Unlimited	Posted - 2008.04.10 23:41:00 - [21] I like my Scythe as a salvager. I don't find having 5 slots that limiting. I can target six, drag 3, and drag the other 3 while scooping/scanning the first three. Goes 475 with ab perma, can fit a mwd even for 1700ish bursts [Scythe, New Setup 1] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Salvager I Salvage Tackle I Salvage Tackle I Salvage Tackle I "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.11 01:25:00 - [22] Just bookmark the mission and use a MWD. Don't gimp your ship into bricklike agility with an oversized AB. You'll go faster too.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.11 10:44:00 - [23] Why does everyone fit so much cargo on their salvagers anyway? Roughly 800 is good enough for almost every mission (excluding EoM and old style Faction Navy), and you are so much more fast and agile if you fit istabs and/or overdrives in place of the extra expanders. Or does everyone simply take ALL loot, including all the silly cap booster charges that at the end of the day fill 75% of your hold for 1% of the value? There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2008.04.11 11:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark The speed limit of 375 is okay, but annoying if you are clearing multiple rooms; I get bored easily :) -----> Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Just bookmark the mission and use a MWD. Don't gimp your ship into bricklike agility with an oversized AB. You'll go faster too. >2000m¦-Cane goes 1056 m/s with MWD, 375 m/s with AB. I have both fitted and 2 Cap Recharger in the other Med Slots. You can skip 2 Expanded Cargos for a Nanofiber and an Overdive if 1000m¦ are enough for you and you want more Speed: 494m/s with AB (nice cause you stay slightly under the 500m/s of the Tractor beam) 1441m/s with MWD 1004m¦ Cargo, enough for all Salvage and some Loot
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.04.11 11:35:00 - [25] trasher 4x salvagers, 4x tractor 1mn mwd, cap recharger expanders salvage rigs goes fast... salvages good whit 3 rigs and has ok cargo hold OR... hurricane whit 10mn mwd and rest is same :) ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Morthis Rygal Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.04.11 12:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Verrain Ravenlark Originally by: Ice Queen1 I prefer the Brutix...can hold just over 1300m3 Dont need tank when salvaging after a mission If you don't need the tank, you can do basically the same setup above with a Cerb. You get (cap stable) speed of 781, a cargo of 1781. Couple mid slots let for whatever. A Sacrilege is even better actually. Speed of 876, cargo of 2072. Also cap stable with free mid slots. No ship should need the tank. You clear the mission, then salvage. A cap stable speed well above the speed of a tractor beam is pretty useless except moving to the next wreck or gate (which often doesn't need to be cap stable, just last a while). Normally the wrecks end up pretty clustered, meaning you're not constantly flying around, so having that AB perma'd isn't really needed, especially when you're gonna outfly any wrecks you're currently pulling around. Personally I prefer to just drag a lootcan around for the missions that take up a ton of space, and then loot the can with an indy after.
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2008.04.11 12:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Riho trasher 4x salvagers, 4x tractor 1mn mwd, cap recharger expanders salvage rigs goes fast... salvages good whit 3 rigs and has ok cargo hold OR... hurricane whit 10mn mwd and rest is same :) Cane can have all 4 Tractors, 4 Salvagers and AB permarunning. Trasher is out of Cap in 1-2min only with the Salvagers and Tractors running. And if you wanna loot the 650m¦ are not enough. Trasher is a only-salvage-ship.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.11 13:13:00 - [28] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 11/04/2008 13:13:55 I like my salvager Eris. 4 x salvager, 4 x tractor beam, 4 x expander IIs in lows. Salvage rig and speed rig. Reasonably fast (around 700m/s with cheapish faction afterburner), over 1k cargo space, lots of looting + salvaging power. Reasonably cheap too, all things considered. The Eris isn't too hot as an interdictor, but it does fine as an "industrial" ship
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.11 13:24:00 - [29] hahahah ok now I've seen it all... I think this would be a hilarious/genius way to gate camp. As is the camp doesn't depend on the HIC for dps. Just fit up your onyx/HIC with the standard infini-point and tank - but instead of equipping weapons - you equip tractor beams and salvagers. I see it as maximizing your gate camp's financial opportunities! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.04.11 13:35:00 - [30] Trying to make sure all the loot fits in your cargo hold won't always work. I guess you could forgo the large low value items like cap boosters but it's such a PITA to remember /rename cans that are full of garbage I just loot everything indiscriminately to a jetcan and come get it in the hauler. Bookmark cans + turn in the mission + catalyst w/MWD + hauler = win. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs

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