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Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:53:00 -
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I was ratting today and I warped into a belt to see rats sitting over 7'000km from the belt and flying away. What was going on here ?
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CCP Tanis.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 11:00:00 -
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More than likely it was an overview bug. Best guess you had NPCs on overview.. warped to a new location and they stayed on the overview.
An object that is over 500km away should never show up on the overview as it'd be in a different grid, needless to say 7,000 km away would certainly not be displayed unless there's a bug in the overview as described above.
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Akira Miyamoto
Caldari
Paisti
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Miyamoto on 11/04/2008 13:13:22
 Originally by: CCP Tanis.
More than likely it was an overview bug. Best guess you had NPCs on overview.. warped to a new location and they stayed on the overview.
An object that is over 500km away should never show up on the overview as it'd be in a different grid, needless to say 7,000 km away would certainly not be displayed unless there's a bug in the overview as described above.
Actually, this happens to me too, it's very common to see this happening. Sometimes a belt gets a NPC spawn which immediately starts MWDing/approaching to another belt or gate (don't ask me why). I have seen NPCs at such distances too and they weren't overview bugs. Also, I have seen grids that extend all the way to 10 000km so I don't really think this is an overview bug.
ps. It's common to see double npc spawns when this happens. The normal spawn being at near-0 to the warpin and the bugged spawn over 500km MWDing/approaching another belt or gate.
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Jorr Meditir
Gallente
Bladerunners
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.11 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jorr Meditir on 11/04/2008 17:36:22
Happened to me several times as well, they could be seen all night going closer and closer another belt by mwding. And they would still be there when i returned from a swop around the other belts.
This might raise another question, how many spawns do we have out there, mwding day and night towards next belt?
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Old pics taken of the event:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Helbert/fleethunt_in_pfu.PNG
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Helbert/fleethunt_in_pfu_countinues.PNG
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 23:47:00 -
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I have seen this as well.
It seems connected to rats warping to other belts. Sometimes, you get 2 spawns in 1 belt by some freak timing or something. One spawn will realize its not supposed to be there, and attempt to go to a different belt, but via mwd and not warp.
Whats wierd is you CAN see them hundreds of km out, sometimes over 1000km out. their distance on overview and speed keep updating, even tho they should be off grid.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jorr Meditir
Edited by: Jorr Meditir on 11/04/2008 17:36:22
Happened to me several times as well, they could be seen all night going closer and closer another belt by mwding. And they would still be there when i returned from a swop around the other belts.
This might raise another question, how many spawns do we have out there, mwding day and night towards next belt?
Edit:
Old pics taken of the event:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Helbert/fleethunt_in_pfu.PNG
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Helbert/fleethunt_in_pfu_countinues.PNG
those pics show exactly what im talking about. As you can see from them, the belt has TWO spawns present....there should only ever be 1 spawn present.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Mara Kell
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:51:00 -
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This is clearly no overview bug. If your faster than them you can even catch them hundreds of kilometers away and kill them. It happens on a regular basis for many people in our corp in 0.0 belts. Suddenly NPCs are hitting MWD flying manually (not warping) to a different belt.
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 12/04/2008 14:19:43
That have been in EVE for ages. I remember from the days i was a carebear my self, and when i was living in 0.0 space (ASCN / LV days), then i did see a rat spawn just spawn right outside of station, and right after that they started to MWD with full speed towards something.
And when i had found out where they was MWDing, then i took a fast frig, and bookmarked a spot like 150km before them, warped back to station to get my Raven Navy Issue. Warped back to my bookmarket spot and started to shoot the bs / bc rats when they went into my lock range.
Then i killed one of them, but the rest of them went out of lock range before i had killed one of them, since the rat i was shooting used to slow down a little when i was aggroing it.
Then i had to get my fast frig again and then bookmark a spot 150km before them and then get my Raven Navy Issue again to kill the rest of them when they got into my lock range.
And i had to continue to do this until the whole spawn was killed.
Was kinda funny though, but i'll guess it's a bug of some sort.
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Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 14:38:00 -
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I have seen rats just outside a regular space station in several High-sec solar systems. The do move fast to some unknown destination, much faster than I can go in my BC, so MWD/AB seems likely. At first I also thought it was an overviw bug, but it was not.
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Sharon Lynn
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bellasarius Baxter
I have seen rats just outside a regular space station in several High-sec solar systems. The do move fast to some unknown destination, much faster than I can go in my BC, so MWD/AB seems likely. At first I also thought it was an overviw bug, but it was not.
They are getting killed, day after day.
No wonder they're trying to get away
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Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis.
More than likely it was an overview bug. Best guess you had NPCs on overview.. warped to a new location and they stayed on the overview.
An object that is over 500km away should never show up on the overview as it'd be in a different grid, needless to say 7,000 km away would certainly not be displayed unless there's a bug in the overview as described above.
Wait... the grid is all of a sudden 500km now?
7Q-, Arnola stargate. Has a grid of over 850km.
And I remember systems where you would just dissapear of grid 100km of the stargate. Pretty lame if you are trying to get a snipe spot for your fleet tbh...
If grids are supposed to be 500km, I suggest you look in to them, because they are no way near that.. |
Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis.
More than likely it was an overview bug. Best guess you had NPCs on overview.. warped to a new location and they stayed on the overview.
An object that is over 500km away should never show up on the overview as it'd be in a different grid, needless to say 7,000 km away would certainly not be displayed unless there's a bug in the overview as described above.
I've not had them display as that far off much (does happen sometimes - they stay on overview - and I've had things on the overview that were 600km+ before quite often) but I think he's reporting that the rats were that far from the belt, not the overview messing up.
I've had it several times when rats appear at a belt and MWD towards another belt until the next downtime. I've had to catch them in an interceptor and web them 1 by 1 so my alt can kill them :D |
Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.14 20:00:00 -
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Yeah, it is weird. Are NPC Belt-Rats finally getting intelligent now? (Or rather staying, since they've been doing this since I really started playing in '06) |
Sonya Rayner
Unicorn Enterprise
Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2008.04.14 21:12:00 -
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I've seen this happenning countless times now. Though one was a bit funny. Spawn in 0.0 belt suddenly engaged their MWDs and headed somewhere into blackness, but continued on shooting. Furthermore, when they got away for 700kms, they still had a lock on me and still managed to hit me with missiles, from 700km range. We got a corpmate with an inty to mwd there, warped on him and killed the whole spawn :)
Although this usually has something to do with 'double spawns' as we nicknamed this phenomenon. A new spawn of rats spawns in belt, then the old one starts moving away like this.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.04.14 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert
Originally by: CCP Tanis.
More than likely it was an overview bug. Best guess you had NPCs on overview.. warped to a new location and they stayed on the overview.
An object that is over 500km away should never show up on the overview as it'd be in a different grid, needless to say 7,000 km away would certainly not be displayed unless there's a bug in the overview as described above.
Wait... the grid is all of a sudden 500km now?
7Q-, Arnola stargate. Has a grid of over 850km.
And I remember systems where you would just dissapear of grid 100km of the stargate. Pretty lame if you are trying to get a snipe spot for your fleet tbh...
If grids are supposed to be 500km, I suggest you look in to them, because they are no way near that..
I've chased some of these rats, and my findings are... interesting. The grid eventually stopped if I went in a straight line, but then it would start again. Then it would stop, then start again. Every few hundred KMs it would do that.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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NuroCorp
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Posted - 2008.04.15 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis.
More than likely it was an overview bug. Best guess you had NPCs on overview.. warped to a new location and they stayed on the overview.
An object that is over 500km away should never show up on the overview as it'd be in a different grid, needless to say 7,000 km away would certainly not be displayed unless there's a bug in the overview as described above.
Living in 0.0 has its quirks, including the occasional BS/frig spawn right outside one of our POS's. I had the rare opportunity to test out my starbase defence skills on a pack of rats only to see them engage the MWD off into the deep blue yonder...
They were 8000km away before I gave up watching (finished playing with the POS) and went to bed.
That overview bug happens way too often in belts :( |
Bruce Deorum
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 06:37:00 -
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IT is very common, but not as annoying, as the bug where all rats dissappear.
They just dissappear, usually after i have spent some time hitting them.
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Povelitels
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:06:00 -
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Yea, I have seen this often and was shocked when I went back to cloak in my deep safe spot whilst ratting in 0.0 to find an NPC spawn (2 BS and 3 BC) waiting for me ffs 
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Jadiin
Mindstar Technology
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.04.15 19:03:00 -
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Seen it often.... I think they just decide to change belts the hard way rather than warp.
Would be a bit of a ****er to watch a faction spawn race off into the sunset now that I think about it :)
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Silvia t'Nias
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Posted - 2008.04.15 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Deorum
IT is very common, but not as annoying, as the bug where all rats dissappear.
They just dissappear, usually after i have spent some time hitting them.
That's actually not a bug, rats _do_ warp off from belts. They just don't bother with all that aligning and accelerating crap us mortals are encumbered.
You can find the same spawn, in another belt, in exactly the same condition they left the previous belt.
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Yamabast
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Posted - 2008.04.15 20:57:00 -
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Ive seen it happen before, and it wasn't an overview bug because I've been in a gang and we all noticed it. The rats were over 1000km away and still on our overview.
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Cikulisuy
Amarr
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:13:00 -
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yes, ive seen the serpentis rats in syndicate do it, and the sansha in catch, (do they even have MWD?) it isnt an overview bug, i caught them and killed them.. sort of odd though =D
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Elhina Novae
Amarr
Stone Shadow Syndicate
deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sharon Lynn
Originally by: Bellasarius Baxter
I have seen rats just outside a regular space station in several High-sec solar systems. The do move fast to some unknown destination, much faster than I can go in my BC, so MWD/AB seems likely. At first I also thought it was an overviw bug, but it was not.
They are getting killed, day after day.
No wonder they're trying to get away
Agree'd. Dont blame the rats blame the players.
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Sonya Rayner
Unicorn Enterprise
Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:04:00 -
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Found this one Web Comic on eve featuring the discussed "feature" :)
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Karentaki
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.04.20 20:43:00 -
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I have had rats run away from a belt before a long time ago. I chased them down in a navitas and caught them 150km away from the belt with my single drone 
Also, I had rats 'warp' between belts today. I found a faction spawn in a belt, went and got a combat ship, came back, and the shadow serpentis destroyer disappeared right before I could get in range. I rat a bit more and later find it in a different belt. Unfortunately it dropped a crappy passive faction armour hardener.
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Blanked Protection
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.04.21 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sharon Lynn
They are getting killed, day after day.
No wonder they're trying to get away
They pretty much lowoffski to when they are in a 10Km range.
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
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Posted - 2008.04.21 21:02:00 -
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I gotta laugh as this is a pretty common bug (feature!!). Does CCP not have an internal buglist this stuff gets tracked with?
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Vayi Mory
Minmatar
venator vestigium
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:17:00 -
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lawl thsi rely wanna have me take a fast ship and fly after them to find out where the hell they are going to. :D
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Fade Xaran
Caldari
BlackStar Industrial
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:46:00 -
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I've been seeing somthing like this whiling mining Ice in High-Sec lately... Not sure if all ice belts are vertical to the universe plane or not, (I'm rather new and only visited one ice belt so far) but I have a spot staked out at the very top of one.
NPC's will spawn anywhere along the entire belt (350km ish) But when they go into attack mode, they'll lock and shoot, but normally by the time the 1st missiles hit me, the NPC's will have just plain *teleported* to the bottom of the belt and are now over 200km away... with an active target lock and still landing shots... then they'll *teleport* back to my local area and resume like nothing happened. Normally the teleport cycle on;y happens once or twice a spawn, but there was one time me and a Hulk @ the bottom of the belt played pingpong with them for the better part of 30 mins before they stayed still long enuff to kill. 
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