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Gotrek Gurnisson Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.11 14:51:00 - [1] Im at the point in my EVE career where Ive succesfully negotiated my way up to running L4's, and now need to start honing my ship skills towards flying specific ships. As most of my time is currentl spent soloing L4's - with only occasional ventures into 0.0 Im primarily looking to skill up on a mission runner. However, as my skills improve over time Im also looking to start doing PVP on a more serious basis. So the question is which Amarr BS should I concentrate on if I eventually want to do roughly 30% mission running, 30% PVP and 30% ratting? As far as I see the different ship options: Geddon = Great short range dps with enough lows for a half decent mission tank. Limited PG. Apoc = Great all-rounder and sniping ship. Limited CPU. Abaddon = Great dps and tanking ship with major cap issues if not properly skilled or fitted. Which would you recommend concentrating training on and why?
Matsui Hideki Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.04.11 14:53:00 - [2] Abaddon, because it looks cool :o
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.11 15:00:00 - [3] They all use the same skills really, arma needs some more drone skills but thats about it.
Asestorian Domination. Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.04.11 15:00:00 - [4] To be honest, concentrating on one of the Amarr battleships is the same as concentrating on all of them. While their bonuses and slot layouts allow them to do different things more effectively, the skills used in each are exactly the same. If you were looking for a single ship for both PvE and PvP I'd go for the Abaddon. It can have some serious cap issues, but it's the plated gank ship in my opinion. The Apoc is of course epic as a sniper ship, and the Geddon is a nice alternative to both when you're looking to spend a bit less money. I think the only difference is that the Armageddon requires better drone skills than the other ships to really shine, as it's the only one of them that allows you to have a full set of heavy drones. Which is pretty nice.
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.04.11 17:23:00 - [5] The Geddon is an awesome ship, cost efficient and really deadly.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.11 17:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Gotrek Gurnisson Im at the point in my EVE career where Ive succesfully negotiated my way up to running L4's, and now need to start honing my ship skills towards flying specific ships. As most of my time is currentl spent soloing L4's - with only occasional ventures into 0.0 Im primarily looking to skill up on a mission runner. However, as my skills improve over time Im also looking to start doing PVP on a more serious basis. So the question is which Amarr BS should I concentrate on if I eventually want to do roughly 30% mission running, 30% PVP and 30% ratting? As far as I see the different ship options: Geddon = Great short range dps with enough lows for a half decent mission tank. Limited PG. Apoc = Great all-rounder and sniping ship. Limited CPU. Abaddon = Great dps and tanking ship with major cap issues if not properly skilled or fitted. Which would you recommend concentrating training on and why? This is a very big if on committing to battleships, I'd say you're better off playing with ceptors and hacs until you're more comfortable and familiar with the meta game and can better evaluate this sort of question for yourself. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Msobe	Posted - 2008.04.12 02:42:00 - [7] Unlike any other race, there's no difference in the skills you need to fly any Amarr ships. See this as an advantage or not . . . its inherent to the design of Amarr ships. Its the inflexible Amarr doctrine - damaging lasers and thick armor make a perfect ship. You have three armor tanking laser boats to choose from - while there are differences, the skills to back them up don't change. You've got no reason to use only one ship, unless you really like it. Each of the BS's can be used for missions, ratting, or pvp, but there's different strengths there. The geddon is a fantastic, cheap laser platform for pvp, and does an admirable job ratting too. The abaddon rocks at anything you want to do with it. The apoc is a good mission runner, and should be your ship any time that range can be used to your advantage.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.04.12 03:09:00 - [8] The way I see it: Apoc: sniper Geddon: ganker Abaddon: better ganker, missioner I really wish CCP would make the Geddon and Abaddon more different somehow.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:02:00 - [9] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 12/04/2008 06:03:50 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus The way I see it: Apoc: sniper Geddon: ganker Abaddon: better ganker, missioner I really wish CCP would make the Geddon and Abaddon more different somehow. The Geddon is cheap and the abaddon isn't. The geddon is an efficient ship in remote rep fleets and the abaddon isn't. The geddon can efficiently use heavy drones/sentries and the abaddon can't. The geddon is fairly cap stable (fairly). The abaddon isn't. In exchange the Abaddon is the epitome of gank&tank with a sick laser dps and a passive tank from hell. Edit: But there really is not such thing as "I'm an armageddon specialist" or "I'm an Apocalypse specialist". It's all armortank and lasers, more lasers, even more lasers and then a bit of drones. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Yoko Lee	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:42:00 - [10] The abaddon have 4 med slot, geddon 3 (sometimes i put 2x eccm, 1x 1 heavy capo inj, 1x dirsuptor II) The abaddon have better resistance and better tank The abaddon dont have cpu/pg problem, geddon can have. Aba have 1 problem = capa.

Tenpun M	Posted - 2008.04.12 08:17:00 - [11] trick question!
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.04.12 13:00:00 - [12] As I have been training up my Amarr BS pilot, and playing a lot with EFT to focus his skills better, I have noticed that it doesn't really matter which BS you go for. They all use about the same skills and work well. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Msobe	Posted - 2008.04.12 13:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus The way I see it: Apoc: sniper Geddon: ganker Abaddon: better ganker, missioner I really wish CCP would make the Geddon and Abaddon more different somehow. Geddon has more damage than the Abaddon though. ROF bonus adds more than damage bonus does - enough more to just bring the Geddon's 7 turrets ahead of the Abaddon's 8. Add in heavy drones, and the Abaddon is always a little behind on damage. The Abaddon has plenty to compensate, but if you want pure gank, Geddon is your ship.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.12 13:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Msobe Geddon has more damage than the Abaddon though. ROF bonus adds more than damage bonus does - enough more to just bring the Geddon's 7 turrets ahead of the Abaddon's 8. Add in heavy drones, and the Abaddon is always a little behind on damage. The Abaddon has plenty to compensate, but if you want pure gank, Geddon is your ship. Depends. The Abaddon will always deliver more damage from its lasers (if you have the same amount of heatsinks. With BS5 the Abaddon delivers the equivalent of 10 turrets, while the geddon delivers the equivalent of 9.33), so it's all about how good your drone skills are. With super droneskills, the geddon pulls ahead slightly (about 100 or so with a realistic fit). But we all know that using drones to deliver the damage has some drawbacks. Especially if you're using heavy drones without any replacements. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.04.12 13:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Msobe Geddon has more damage than the Abaddon though. ROF bonus adds more than damage bonus does - enough more to just bring the Geddon's 7 turrets ahead of the Abaddon's 8. Add in heavy drones, and the Abaddon is always a little behind on damage. The Abaddon has plenty to compensate, but if you want pure gank, Geddon is your ship. Depends. The Abaddon will always deliver more damage from its lasers (if you have the same amount of heatsinks. With BS5 the Abaddon delivers the equivalent of 10 turrets, while the geddon delivers the equivalent of 9.33), so it's all about how good your drone skills are. With super droneskills, the geddon pulls ahead slightly (about 100 or so with a realistic fit). But we all know that using drones to deliver the damage has some drawbacks. Especially if you're using heavy drones without any replacements. Yeah but the Abaddon costs near 3x as much as a geddon.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.12 17:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Euriti Yeah but the Abaddon costs near 3x as much as a geddon. With insurance, a abaddon costs around 10mil after its blown up. -- Billion Isk Mission
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.04.12 19:41:00 - [17] The drones offer you a third damage type ( and cant be jammed, dampened, tracking disrupted but they can be destroyed ) which can be usefull in some situations. The Geddon also has an 8. highslot which should not be forgotten. The Abaddon on the other hand has only slightly less damage, much more effective hp and a 4. midslot but no free highslots and much higher initial costs than the Geddon. ( ca 280 millions for a well fitted Abaddon compared to ca 160 millions for a well fitted Geddon ) The Apoc is the perfect amarrian sniper. If you plan to participate in 0.0 warfare then buy one. So, if you are relativly wealthy and without any usefull ideas for what to put into that 8. highslot then go for the Abaddon. If you are poor then get some good droneskills and fly the Geddon. Both are fine ships imo.
achoura	Posted - 2008.04.12 20:15:00 - [18] Geddon does do (slightly) more damage than the abb, 25% rof bonus equates to roughly 33% damage bonus, more shots you fire more good shots hit, add in the drone bay and you're ahead. However the geddon is incapable of the abads alpha, nor is it capable of the tank and after insurance the difference is marginal, also in the abads favour is (however useless it may be) is the highest dps or any sniper, 500+ with 3 hs but i'll cap out in <50 seconds. I still tank a dp geddon for gangs but that's me, is i had sentries to deal with it'd be abaddon all the way. Both very much alike, but so different at the same time *The EVE servers and their patches*


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