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Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:21:00 - [1] These broken game mechanics have existed for long enough. As an Anti-pie I have a hard time hunting pirates. Why? 1) Pirates that hide in NPC corps so Anti-pie corps cannot dec them. This is as bad as NPC carebears that hide in NPC corps. 2) Pirates that gate camp and blow people up in low sec and somehow keep a nice positve sec status or a barely negative one (not an outlaw). 3) Bounties being only for show or for a joke. We need to remedy these issues so the bounty hunter or anti-pie can operate just as freely as the pirates do. I have a few ideas myself as well as incorporating a few that I have heard around. 1) You can only be in a noob corp for a maximum of 6 months. Once this time limit expires you are put automatically into an NPC corp. ALL NPC corps are no longer under the protection of gate guns or CONCORD. This will prevent miners and industrialists from hiding in NPC corps forever as well as coward pirates. To let people transfer corps safely there is a one week window where they can find a new corp when they are in a NPC corp after leaving a player corp. 2) Make sec status REALLY mean something. IF you are going to DO THE CRIME YOU HAVE TO DO THE TIME!! This means that you can't grind your sec status up anymore. Right now its easy. Time consuming and monotonous, but easy. I mean pirates in low sec shoot rats anyway for ISK or run missions so they get a side benefit for grinding up sec status, ISK. In real life you can do good deeds to SHORTEN the "time" you do but you still do time. Make sec status only go up after a certain time limit. Maybe make it slowly go back up like training SP. Also, make sec hits hurt more. Pods are good enough, but if someone is going to gank ships, make it so the first gank sets you to -2.5 immediatly. Next one is outlaw at -5 and another -2.5 after that. After 4 ganks you are a -10 super baddie. If you are going to act as a pirate live the life of a pirate. I want to KNOW who my enemies are, not have to guess if the -1.2 guy is going to shoot me first so I can get aggro on him back. Plus he might not want to tank the guns at a gate. I like pirates, I like the ones that accept what they are and live the life of an outlaw. They provide great PvP and they are RPing a pirate and I like RP too. However, I ONLY want that big sec hit to only apply to POSITIVE sec status people that get ganked. If someone -0.1 or lower is ganked in low sec the attacker gets NO sec hit. They still get Global timer and have to tank sentries (or CONCORD blows them up in high sec) but no sec status hits. this enables people to possibly pop an "almost" outlaw without becoming a pirate themselves, but the "almost" pirate still gets some protection since they are not an outlaw yet. I want it to take nearly 6 months for a -10 to really work at getting back to zero sec status again. 3) I want Bounties to not only reward the bounty hunter but penalize the pirate. Once you have a bounty on you, you now have a fine attached to your sec status. It can NOT go up at ALL until you pay CONCORD a fee that matches your current bounty. If you get podded by someone and they are awarded your bounty your FINE still stays until you pay it off. (This will FORCE pirates that try to collect thier own bounty to have to pay that amount back if they want to go up ever on sec status. Yeah they can still pod themselves with alts but at least now bounty hunters can at least hunt them fairly because they are flashy outlaws) Last but not least, I would like hunting ebil piewats be rewarded more too. Not just bountys but also with status. Sec status. If you are capped out at 5.0 from hunting NPC rats, now you can go higher, how? But popping real POD pilot pirates. Every point of negative sec status the pirate has that you pop, (just his ship doesn't have to be pod. Too hard to get a pod in low sec most times) you earn one tenth that up on your sec status. +10's will be revered as bad a$$ bounty hunters.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Cloora on 12/04/2008 05:22:29 And these +10's may strike a bit of fear into the pirate as they enter systems. Feel free to add and subtract what you think is balanced or throw in your own ideas!
Johnny Gurkha Slow Deep and Hard	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 12/04/2008 05:47:25 Quote: 1) Pirates that hide in NPC corps so Anti-pie corps cannot dec them. This is as bad as carebears that hide in NPC corps Deccing a flashy red is a waste of ISK. Think about it... Quote: 2) Pirates that gate camp and blow people up in low sec and somehow keep a nice positve sec status or a barely negative one (not an outlaw) I'm flashy myself, if I see another camper I don't know taking sentry he's toast. It's a risk/reward thing and theres always a chance you'll get **** either way theres risk involved... Quote: 3) Bounties being only for show or for a joke So whats new? I'm suprised people fly around with 100 mill bounties considering it's probably their own ISK their risking Quote: 2) Make sec status REALLY mean something. IF you are going to DO THE CRIME YOU HAVE TO DO THE TIME!! This means that you can't grind your sec status up anymore Have you ever grinded from -10 to -1.9 in 0.0? I have and apart from it being the most mind numbing experience imaginable trying to find a spot to do it in relative peace is nigh on impossible with alt scouts zipping around every 5 minutes looking for targets... Quote: 3) I want Bounties to not only reward the bounty hunter but penalize the pirate. Once you have a bounty on you, you now have a fine attached to your sec status. It can NOT go up at ALL until you pay CONCORD a fee that matches your current bounty Silly idea. Bounties are an e-peen thing nothing more... Quote:** +10's will be revered as bad a$$ bounty hunters. If that idea came to fruition +10's would be primary. Every time... If you get a job at CCP will you let us know in advance so I cancel my subscription. KThx...
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Cloora on 12/04/2008 06:16:46 Originally by: Johnny Gurkha Deccing a flashy red is a waste of ISK. Think about it... I'm talking about the NPC corp ones that are NOT outlaws yet. And apparantly you also did not think about the pirates that hide in NPC corps, and have non outlaw neg sec status and run missions in high sec. REALLY easy to keep your sec staus up bud. I do know how difficult it is. It ISN'T. With my PvP alt I tried a few acts of piracy in Placid and got down to near zero sec status again. Ground missions and got back up to +2.1 in a week. Pirates are easy mode man... pirates that try to only gank haulers and mission runners are not the true ransoming pirates that live the outlaw lifestyle that we respect. They are bringing EVE down. Also agreeing with me that the bounty system is a joke and has been for a long time is not an excuse to let it continue to be a joke. With your comment on +10's: thats fine if they are primary. We primary the outlaws and love blowing up -10's too. Its a two way street. So yeah, typical EVE-O forum poster, you critisize my ideas yet offer no solutions of your own. Thanks for your input anyway... This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.
Johnny Gurkha Slow Deep and Hard	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:20:00 - [5] Quote: Pirates are easy mode man... I could rant and rave if I was so inclined but with a statement like that I'll just roll my eyes Quote: pirates that try to only gank haulers and mission runners are not the true ransoming pirates that live the outlaw lifestyle that we respect Ransoming is dead, especially when you fly solo with a Recon gang zipping around local looking for you and I don't want respect... ISK, corpses, and hate mail keep me happy Quote: So yeah, typical EVE-O forum poster, you critisize my ideas yet offer no solutions of your own Can't stand critisism, don't ******* post. Simple. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=745871Slow, Deep and Hard, recruit
Sabrosa Namaste	Posted - 2008.04.12 08:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Cloora So yeah, typical EVE-O forum poster, you critisize my ideas yet offer no solutions of your own. Thanks for your input anyway... Well your idea's are pretty awful, and he's been more than polite pointing that out, a lot more polite than I would have been
Plaetean D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 09:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste Originally by: Cloora So yeah, typical EVE-O forum poster, you critisize my ideas yet offer no solutions of your own. Thanks for your input anyway... Well your idea's are pretty awful, and he's been more than polite pointing that out, a lot more polite than I would have been This... -----
Guilty Man	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Cloora Pirates are easy mode man... pirates that try to only gank haulers and mission runners are not the true ransoming pirates that live the outlaw lifestyle that we respect. They are bringing EVE down. You must be joking? If the pirate is outlaw - where is easy mode? 1. Outlaw cannot be remote repped (otherwise sentries pwn the repper) 2. Corpmates of outlaw cannot help him (or sentries attack them) 3. Everyone can shoot outlaw, but he can only shoot back. And you call it easy mode? Solo outlaw is an easy target for everyone.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Cloora pirates that try to only gank haulers and mission runners are not the true ransoming pirates that live the outlaw lifestyle that we respect. Pirating for me is making your isk from PvP and not from running missions etc. A true pirate goes after the target that gives most isk, easiest to kill, poses less threat to yourself and ransoming them. With the isk invested compared to risk being outweighed by the potential isk gain. Haulers and mission runners are the top of that list. Just flying about killing ppl is just PvP, or non consensual PvP, a killer or murderer if you like and it doesn't give much isk. A true pirate relies on easy targets like this for his income, so he doesn't have to do missions or sell GTCs to earn the isk he needs to keep pirating and PvPin. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.04.12 11:21:00 - [10] http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Cloora-kills.html Not exactly an anti-pie are ya.
Aadi Grox Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 11:54:00 - [11] Cloora is full of fantastic ideas! Check out her brilliant ideas for mining! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498688&page=1
Supreme Biovizier	Posted - 2008.04.12 13:20:00 - [12] Edited by: Supreme Biovizier on 12/04/2008 13:20:33 Originally by: Johnny Gurkha hate mail keep me happy Cmon then, share the love. I am still waiting for some hatemail from the time I swooped in and ganked your Drake with a Punisher. I want my first hatemail damnit p.s. I take a forum reply too
Redglare's Demise Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.12 13:58:00 - [13] How about the game be changed to support only MY playstyle? Anyway, come back once you know what you are talking about, I'll be glad to entertain your ideas then.
Johnny Gurkha Slow Deep and Hard	Posted - 2008.04.12 14:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Supreme Biovizier Edited by: Supreme Biovizier on 12/04/2008 13:20:33 Originally by: Johnny Gurkha hate mail keep me happy Cmon then, share the love. I am still waiting for some hatemail from the time I swooped in and ganked your Drake with a Punisher. I want my first hatemail damnit p.s. I take a forum reply too Aren't you the pilot who was killing the Osprey and I jumped in and killed you both...? Bet you didn't think I had 2 scrams on did ya Shark > Seal > Fish Recruiting ****s
Kano Sekor Amarr The Marathon Unit	Posted - 2008.04.12 16:33:00 - [15] Worst post ever, the TS can not have even tried pirating once the only thing that needs fixing is the Bounty system instead of putting a Bounty on someone you should be able to offer registered bounty hounting corps ISK for a pod kill of said pirate, or something like that. (contracts augmentation maybe?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.04.12 20:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Guilty Man You must be joking? If the pirate is outlaw - where is easy mode? 1. Outlaw cannot be remote repped (otherwise sentries pwn the repper) 2. Corpmates of outlaw cannot help him (or sentries attack them) 3. Everyone can shoot outlaw, but he can only shoot back. And you call it easy mode? Solo outlaw is an easy target for everyone. Please don't confuse what I am saying. I am talking pirate with a mild low sec status, not an outlaw. This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.04.12 20:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Scrutt5 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Cloora-kills.html Not exactly an anti-pie are ya. Not sure what this proves? Those are my kills from a few empire wars and OMG LOOK! a Few pirates on there! Oh an Jonny Gurkha is one of my kills too! LOL! Looks liek you just PROVED I DO anti-pie ops. he he This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.04.12 20:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Aadi Grox Cloora is full of fantastic ideas! Check out her brilliant ideas for mining! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498688&page=1 Wow! how old is that post? I was a noob back and I was simply throwing out ideas. You people are just closed minded. Instead of "Hmm I agree the system is borked, and I don't really like her ideas, but lets see if I can improve on that." You guys just throw out insults. Love EVE-O forums LOL! This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.12 21:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Cloora Originally by: Scrutt5 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Cloora-kills.html Not exactly an anti-pie are ya. Not sure what this proves? Those are my kills from a few empire wars and OMG LOOK! a Few pirates on there! Oh an Jonny Gurkha is one of my kills too! LOL! Looks liek you just PROVED I DO anti-pie ops. he he It proves that you have PvPd on like 3 or 4 occasions and have 9 kills.Of those 9 kills it looks like 6 where due to your corp being war decced and the other 3 where in losec. 3 kills does NOT make you Anti-Pie. BTW your ideas are terrible.Back to your Barge.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.04.12 21:10:00 - [20] It'd be nice if bounties meant something, but it's not so clear to me how to do that. You suggest that 4 kills take a player to -10 security? What are you smoking. "I want it to take nearly 6 months for a -10 to really work at getting back to zero sec status again." Again, the only excuse I can think of for such a silly idea is that you're on drugs. 4 kills requires a 6 month grind? Right. Oh, and if people keep putting bounties on you, you can't earn sec status at all! Genius idea.... let's turn the bounty system into a griefing system. So, in the tradition of the apparently typical eve poster... Your ideas sound worse than the current system. Do I like the current system? No. Do I know the solution? No. Is yours an improvement? Seems much worse to me.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.12 22:14:00 - [21] Mommy help me!! I'm supposed to be a feared Anti-Piwate, but I can't kill any!!!
Johnny Gurkha Slow Deep and Hard	Posted - 2008.04.12 22:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Cloora Oh an Jonny Gurkha is one of my kills too! ....and the killmail says you needed 18 gangmates to make it. My "merc" days :yawn: Recruiting ****s
Aadi Grox Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Cloora Originally by: Aadi Grox Cloora is full of fantastic ideas! Check out her brilliant ideas for mining! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498688&page=1 Wow! how old is that post? I was a noob back and I was simply throwing out ideas. You people are just closed minded. Instead of "Hmm I agree the system is borked, and I don't really like her ideas, but lets see if I can improve on that." You guys just throw out insults. Love EVE-O forums LOL! system isn't borked, and if you make ******** posts I'm going to call you out on it
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:40:00 - [24] Edited by: techzer0 on 12/04/2008 23:43:12 1) If they are a pirate, hiding in an NPC corp shouldn't make them hard to kill... you just gotta think up a tactic to get them to agress you. Why war-dec people you can shoot for free? 2) Use a noob alt in a hauler to get said "non-outlaw" piwates criminally flagged on a gate. Warp in and get some kills. Gate camping ship setups are more heavily tanked and not necessarily high DPS, and a lot of them depend on cap boosters to stay alive. (This is why pirates warp to station to refit or change ships when it looks like they might be able to get a good fight off gate, so avoid warping to the station and try to get an engagement away from the undock) Also your solution for 2) is crap, it takes the average pirate 1-2 months already to go from -10 to -2.0 as most pirates don't NPC because it is boring an monotonous. I don't shoot rats or mission run to supplement my income, and only time I do make isk from NPCs is when I go out to 0.0 to help out some mates (non-pirate friends, who would shoot me on sight if I wasn't such a cool guy ) 3) Add to my bounty and it wouldn't be a joke, now would it? Horrible troll post 0.1/10 Edit: Did I mention I anti-pie on my alt for lols occasionally? I have none of the problems you seem to have, as a little sec loss for firing the first shot on a non-outlaw pirate doesn't hurt me in the least. Beat them at their own game and keep a dynamic sec status, if they're doing it SO CAN YOU. Being +5.0 is just a mark that you either live in 0.0 all the time or you sit and run lvl 4 missions all day
Bailian Moxtain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:45:00 - [25] have you ever been outlaw? Do you know how hard it is to gain sec? guess not... It should be the opposite, sec stat should be easier to get, not harder...
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Cloora Originally by: Scrutt5 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Cloora-kills.html Not exactly an anti-pie are ya. Not sure what this proves? Those are my kills from a few empire wars and OMG LOOK! a Few pirates on there! Oh an Jonny Gurkha is one of my kills too! LOL! Looks liek you just PROVED I DO anti-pie ops. he he LOL! Look you used a 19 man gang to kill a brutix! That's not "one of your kills" thats a gank unless the other side had a nearly equal number of ships, since battleclinic doesn't really show engagement stats. But it's still a fleet kill I know several successful solo or 2-3man gang Anti-pies who are a pain in my ***. Look up the kill/loss stats for some of people posting in this thread and you'll see that we are speaking from experience... and I'll admit a large number of my kills are ganks and fleet kills, but my solo-kills easily outnumber both your kills and losses combined
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:13:00 - [27] I think everytime you open your mouth/touch a keyboard after having such terrible ideas, god kills a kitten. Remember that Cloora next time you go to make such bad posts.
Evita Achura Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.13 03:34:00 - [28] Edited by: Evita Achura on 13/04/2008 03:34:21 Originally by: Cloora Pirates are easy mode man... pirates that try to only gank haulers and mission runners are not the true ransoming pirates that live the outlaw lifestyle that we respect. They are bringing EVE down. Preface: yes this is an alt no I won't post with my main. EASY MODE?!? I had THREE MOTHER SHIPS hot dropped on me and two other corp mates today for attacking a lone transport ship. I don't know what your definition of the word easy is but that ain't it. Mind you we did get away but thats besides the point. Pirates have to deal not only with anti-pies but with all the 0.0 alliances that come up and down their pipe every day. Not to mention every other want to be pirate corp trying to make a name for them selves. You think just because its illegal its easy? You must be new here. GTFO is that way ---> We are as much targets as we are hunters. For you to post this skewed belief that a few high sec suicide gankers justify your radical alteration of a system, that works fine for everyone else, simply because we don't make you feel all is frankly ignorance at its finest. You want to abolish npc corps, fine, I support that. You want to remove the bounty system since its broken ok. That solves all your problems without slanting the game in anyone's favor. As for the rest. Utter drivel and crap.
The RAv3n Caldari An Eye For An Eye	Posted - 2008.04.13 04:13:00 - [29] Edited by: The RAv3n on 13/04/2008 04:13:14 Looking at this thread, I must agree that Cloora has some bad ideas, but these are issues. Personally I have my own thoughs that are might add some excitement to PvP, especially to those like myself who like pirating, but love collecting nice bounties. 1) It is annoying that Bounties are meaningless jokes, or annoying threats. I would love to have a massive bounty put on me, then have bounty hunters go out and attempt to attack me, or vice versa. Finally we could go punish those who we despise. I think there should be medals and honors to people who get bounty kills that increase their ability to get away with stuff, not to mention sec status raises, and possibly a ship with their name on it! Also, people will not be able to collect bounties from those in the same corp, which will eliminate some of the self bounty collection problems. Finally a pirate tracking system would be nice. It someone has a bounty I think there should be a way to look on your map and see who in what system has a bounty, for so much, on their head. Only in empire, of course. 2)When someone has a nice low sec status, make it so we can all blow him up in Empire. lets say you have a status below -1.0 then anyone in 1.0 space can attack you -2.0, 0.9 space etc... this way we could finally have more empire conflict and action. I also believe this would get rid of bored grievers who just need some more action. 3)Have a top bounty hunters, not jsut top bounties list. 4) Perhaps one of the awards for getting a bounty is a discount on NPC sold items, such as skillbooks and such. If you destroy a bounty hunter you could possibly receive LP for NPC pirate stuff. What bothers me about eve is that PvP is not a full time profession. I love combat, but all to often I'm ratting in 0.0. If we could make enough from pirating and bounty hunting all would be swell. Seriously a good pirate or bounty hunter should be gaining his ISK from blowing up others, the more success the richer. Pirates are suppose to be filthy rich after a good kill. Just give us enough LP to buy something fancy and sell it on the market to pay for next months losses.
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.04.13 05:12:00 - [30] Nothing's broken but bounties and perma-hiding in NPC corps. Shut up. Recruitment: [ANTI]

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