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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Gone'Postal Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys.. I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
Mods from CCP will always be better than free mods from the player base.
Yes the mods are doing a fine job of moderating the forums...Please contact the previous owner of "Jenny" and ask him/her what the forums were like 6 months before they in retired the mod crew. A much better place then they are now, and back then there was no report post link.
these forums are nothing like they were back then, back then they were useful in so many ways.. now there just for trolling.
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31 Jenny, your post is too readable.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006 |
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31 Jenny, your post is too readable.
You soooo just edited that ;p
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:55:00 -
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Maybe CCP should just ban all the rabblemonkeys and naybois.... -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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Alrione
Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31 Jenny, your post is too readable.
I almost pressed report button, because I was laughing -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.< |
Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Gone'Postal Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys.. I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
Mods from CCP will always be better than free mods from the player base.
Yes the mods are doing a fine job of moderating the forums...Please contact the previous owner of "Jenny" and ask him/her what the forums were like 6 months before they in retired the mod crew. A much better place then they are now, and back then there was no report post link.
these forums are nothing like they were back then, back then they were useful in so many ways.. now there just for trolling.
Rubbish, theres actually been almost no change in the general 'tone' of the forums for the past 18 months.
And thats the crux of the issue. The small, but vocal minority, who think its fine to criticise and stamp 'FAIL' on anything and everything CCP suggest or do need to be stuffed back into their proverbial boxes.
A good example is on this very page. CCP decide that they can improve player performance by logging GPU types - and what do we get? A 'wwaaagh this is rubbish!' post.
Hopeless.
The moderators do a remarkable job for example of balancing freedom of expression, with keeping flame bait trolling to a minimum - it cant be an easy task.
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Rubbish, theres actually been almost no change in the general 'tone' of the forums for the past 18 months. And thats the crux of the issue. The small, but vocal minority, who think its fine to criticise and stamp 'FAIL' on anything and everything CCP suggest or do need to be stuffed back into their proverbial boxes. A good example is on this very page. CCP decide that they can improve player performance by logging GPU types - and what do we get? A 'wwaaagh this is rubbish!' post. Hopeless. The moderators do a remarkable job for example of balancing freedom of expression, with keeping flame bait trolling to a minimum - it cant be an easy task. C.
I disagree sir, maybe the vocal minority has gotten bigger but I truely believe that the forums are now worse then they were under the forum mods, maybe it's just me or with my eve-time expanding so has my understanding of game mechanics so I no longer have to search for that understanding but I stand by my statement.
And thats not to say the current mods arn't doing a good job, it was just better back in teh day. V8I
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DroneCommander
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:06:00 -
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Thanks CCP I love EVE! I know you do your best to fix the problems and I'm grateful for it.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Cailais
Rubbish, theres actually been almost no change in the general 'tone' of the forums for the past 18 months. And thats the crux of the issue. The small, but vocal minority, who think its fine to criticise and stamp 'FAIL' on anything and everything CCP suggest or do need to be stuffed back into their proverbial boxes. A good example is on this very page. CCP decide that they can improve player performance by logging GPU types - and what do we get? A 'wwaaagh this is rubbish!' post. Hopeless. The moderators do a remarkable job for example of balancing freedom of expression, with keeping flame bait trolling to a minimum - it cant be an easy task. C.
I disagree sir, maybe the vocal minority has gotten bigger but I truely believe that the forums are now worse then they were under the forum mods, maybe it's just me or with my eve-time expanding so has my understanding of game mechanics so I no longer have to search for that understanding but I stand by my statement.
And thats not to say the current mods arn't doing a good job, it was just better back in teh day.
Well I concede to your argument - its subjective after all: your perception and mine may differ, as we probably read different posts/topics or view some comments as being negative rather than constructive.
In short I respect your point of view, though Im not sure how we could measure 'forum quality' in any real sense.
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31 Jenny, your post is too readable.
I take offence to that ... wait O.o LMAO
Trinity Corporate Services
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CCP Navigator
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:14:00 -
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Guys and Girls,
I have been watching this thread and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a discussion about how you see the game being improved or how you see the community spirit being improved.
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
By all means discuss what improvements you would like to see. We ahve a Features and Ideas Forum that Developers read daily. Let us know by mailing us at [email protected] if you have ideas on how community spirit can be improved.
Please do refrain from discussions of cheating/alleged cheating or moderation as posts of that nature will be removed.
Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang
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Zartach Tzarszh
Minmatar The Royal Engineers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:22:00 -
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Indeed, The dev's have been awsome, and while some may argue it has been a little quiet on the dev postings lately, i can totaly understand that with all the work they are doing.
I have never seen any game company which was so open and honest about what they are doing and how they see their game progressing.
I hope EVE and CCP will remain with us for a very long time and that we and the devs keep having fun playing /coding this awsome game.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:27:00 -
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Heh, what did I do? My English is improving, good, good. Maybe I can now start tendering for upcoming CSM.
Jenny Spitfire, Community Senator. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Mike Rowlings
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Heh, what did I do? My English is improving, good, good. Maybe I can now start tendering for upcoming CSM.
Jenny Spitfire, Community Senator.
Welcome back and please stay that way.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and Girls,
I have been watching this thread and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a discussion about how you see the game being improved or how you see the community spirit being improved.
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
By all means discuss what improvements you would like to see. We ahve a Features and Ideas Forum that Developers read daily. Let us know by mailing us at [email protected] if you have ideas on how community spirit can be improved.
Please do refrain from discussions of cheating/alleged cheating or moderation as posts of that nature will be removed.
In my view there is one activity that could improve the community nature of the forums. That is for CCP Devs to support and encourage sensible posts by responding to them.
The features and ideas forum is a classic case in point.
For example player A comes up with a suggestion. It might get a % of supporters and detractors, but without Dev interaction these (often very well written posts) simply disolve into player vs player arguments with forum cliches like:
"thats never gonna happen.." "the devs have already stated that.." "proof or stfu"
and of course "go back to WOW"
The community then flounders about in a increasing spiral of argument, that degenerates very rapidly indeed.
A simple, neutral post could be something along the lines of >
CCP Dev > "Its an interesting idea but there are a few problems we see with it intially such as (insert issue here). Perhaps you can add some more detail to your idea? We've thought of (alternative here) whats your view as players?"
Player B>"Rant rabble rabble - thats not the issue at all CCP its rabble rabble!"
CCP Dev > "Not sure I agree with you on this point Player B - however does anyone else feel the same way?"
etc etc etc
Its a non comital dialogue. Those players who post useless stuff like "go bk 2 WOW u lsr!" should just get there comments chopped out by well, CCP Navigator
As it is currently players are rewarded by being stupid - the 'blue bar effect'. All forum posting is (essentially) a degree of attention seeking. Pay attention to the naughty school kid and he simply acts up again. Ignore him and pay attention to the inquisative school kid and the naughty one thinks 'oh, thats how I get attention - ill do that!'
Its quite simple psychology really, something trolling experts understand. Post a contraversial topic, sprinkle with poor grammar and an angry tone - voila one thread naught.
An example - which of these topics will generate the most 'hits' and replies?
1. "CCP epic FAIL!!11! Fix lame gank tactics!"
'Lame gate camping must b nerfd. Why can you shoot people on the gates it just sucks and its pointless'
2. "Wormholes - Idea"
'Perhaps we need alternatives to the normal stargates such as hidden wormholes to provide more options to the player during travel'
Both essentialy address the same subject - which one will get the blue or red bar of the Dev / Mod clean up team?
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal it's also worth noteing that CCP relys on the playerbase to do (at a guess most) of there bug hunting. even ones submitted which are just typos have been replyed with.. sorry can't reproduce.
/this
CCP seriously should consider changing this and hire more professionals to do that job to ensure the quality of the client gets better which is THE best way of creating a positive vibe in this community and as well as a great marketing tool. |
Seth Ruin
Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal Issues such as drones were fixed 4 or 5 times... before finaly being fixed (i do hear stories about players still having issues) The forum rendering machine gets looked at ONLY when enough people ***** about it on the forums
And each of those times, they fixed a different issue with drones, tried a different technique to reduce lag, etc.
Originally by: Gone'Postal One of the major issues since the last patch for me is the Jumping of the HUD windows... No fix in patch notes. (female dead bodies will help ofc) the eve client crashing, Drop in FPS, unable to stay connected, hell we have our own forum section to WORKAROUNDS! not fixes workarounds.. what does that say about the dev's.. we can't fix over to the players.
I have to agree that I'm rather annoyed with the jumping HUD and equally baffled as to why they decided female corpses were worth their time to begin with.
Originally by: Gone'Postal Web dept can't get players to stay logged in, hell they can't even update the item database.
it's not that I hate any or all CCP staff.. they DID a great job, but since we were informed about eve china general dev<->playerbase comms went down some, now they have this vampire MMO in the works it's almost non-existant.
CCP don't have to inform the players of anything but when there quality of work drops they still expect me to be happy and understanding? Get real.
In my 4 years of playing on and off, I'd say the general dev<->playerbase communication has been consistently good. The only point I'll agree with is that the WoD MMO seems to be consuming their time.
However, we have devs like Prism posting on a daily basis still. And dev blogs provide much more information than they were able to provide simply on the forums (before the blogs).
Originally by: stahmul
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with.
Either you have never done any serious coding, you are delusional, or you're simply being facetious to make EVE seem less developed than other MMOs. "A graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database" is what defines a majority of what we do on a daily basis on the internet. Hell, that's exactly what these forums are... And if you're going to simplify EVE to that point, you may as well say EVE is just a graphical frontend to binary arithmetic.
Originally by: stahmul Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
I find quite the contrary. In my own personal experience, Fleet Combat works very well. Large scale fleet combat, however, is extremely laggy, and adding drones only exacerbates the problem.
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Docain
M. Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:30:00 -
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EvE is unique (unlike many other games) and I give CCP credit for their great game. It's far too easy to get accustomed to their high standards. There are several people on these forums who ignore good aspects of EvE (and of the staff, too) and focus on the negative things. When this is combined with anonymity you can see a lot of smack talk arising. Even though CCP isn't perfect, one should always ask if there is a game or a company that does everything better. If there is one go play it; if there isn't stop the smack talk. ;)
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sabrin Kulu
Originally by: stahmul more stuff
I did read your whole post. I was just pointing out one example of how they have done something to help, I only felt the need to post in reply to that particular issue though as it is one that comes up often.
I'm going to extend this question to you again though; why do you still play EvE, you sound like you have a serious dislike for the game...
Sure there are a lot of bugs, a game of this size is bound to have them. As someone else in the thread already mentioned though, people only concentrate on these, they all fail to remember that the other 95% of the game is in perfect working condition.
Well to answer your question, truthfully I don't really play any longer. Some time before EVE I played Everquest for many years. When I quit I was so sick of the game because I played it so much that I felt it necessary to cut all ties with the game in the short term because I just had to get away from it. That and well, I didn't want to be always paying for something I didn't play and while I wasn't playing had no benefit to me whatsoever.
EVE is a bit different, with the assets I've managed to amass over the time I've spent playing when I enjoyed it. I've been able to easily fund my accounts now that I do not feel it is worth my hard earned money, simply by using the assets I already have to keep the account active and keep my skills training. Everything else in the game is dead for me, after Trinity I stopped logging on, stopped producing off my two T2 bpos and just let it all sit. I still have skills training because I hope that one day something will change in either me or the game that will draw me back into it, but so far that isn't happening.
You may see me online while I have friends over and am drinking, running scanprobes to find the high value DED plexes to run to keep my characters from going broke, but even then, many plexes I find I don't even bother to do unless I am seriously faced with nothing else to do.
Though, switching back to Everquest. I still to this day have nostalgia from the good times when I really enjoyed playing, the same with EVE, and I still sometimes look for traces of the old feelings. Though I'll never probably ever play EVE (or Everquest) the way I once did, ever again.
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Lucy'Lastic
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
Well to answer your question, truthfully I don't really play any longer. Some time before EVE I played Everquest for many years. When I quit I was so sick of the game because I played it so much that I felt it necessary to cut all ties with the game in the short term because I just had to get away from it. That and well, I didn't want to be always paying for something I didn't play and while I wasn't playing had no benefit to me whatsoever.
EVE is a bit different, with the assets I've managed to amass over the time I've spent playing when I enjoyed it. I've been able to easily fund my accounts now that I do not feel it is worth my hard earned money, simply by using the assets I already have to keep the account active and keep my skills training. Everything else in the game is dead for me, after Trinity I stopped logging on, stopped producing off my two T2 bpos and just let it all sit. I still have skills training because I hope that one day something will change in either me or the game that will draw me back into it, but so far that isn't happening.
You may see me online while I have friends over and am drinking, running scanprobes to find the high value DED plexes to run to keep my characters from going broke, but even then, many plexes I find I don't even bother to do unless I am seriously faced with nothing else to do.
Though, switching back to Everquest. I still to this day have nostalgia from the good times when I really enjoyed playing, the same with EVE, and I still sometimes look for traces of the old feelings. Though I'll never probably ever play EVE (or Everquest) the way I once did, ever again.
TBH it sounds like you have lost interest and are looking for a reason to quit by finding faults in the game.
Just saying.
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:28:00 -
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I was actually trying to convey that I had already quit, I don't need any more reason to, but I was also trying to convey that due to the isk for gtc system I have no reason to let my account lapse as it'd just be wasted skillpoints. I'd love to want to come back, but I just don't have any drive to come back that's stronger than my drive to do other things.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul I was actually trying to convey that I had already quit, I don't need any more reason to, but I was also trying to convey that due to the isk for gtc system I have no reason to let my account lapse as it'd just be wasted skillpoints. I'd love to want to come back, but I just don't have any drive to come back that's stronger than my drive to do other things.
Nothing wrong with that, and Id agree that 'retired' players still have a lot to add to the forums - a differing perspective if you like.
However some post with nothing but bitterness and bile towards CCP and the game. That bitterness spreads and conveys an impression that their views are a generally held sentiment - which in the majority of cases they are not.
Perhaps provide suggestions on the features and ideas forum about what you think might draw you back into the game, or others like you?
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:02:00 -
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It is the internet and EvE's growing playerbase will generate an even greater number of spoiled children who act like CCP owes them for creating a great game for a smaller monthly price than a case of good beer.
Don't worry though, people being *****s under the protection of anonymity has been around since frat boys started yelling slurs from passing cars. It would take a somehow legal, fair, yet democratic business dedicated to delivering smack-in-the-mouth-grams to solve it.
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen It is the internet and EvE's growing playerbase will generate an even greater number of spoiled children who act like CCP owes them for creating a great game for a smaller monthly price than a case of good beer.
Don't worry though, people being *****s under the protection of anonymity has been around since frat boys started yelling slurs from passing cars. It would take a somehow legal, fair, yet democratic business dedicated to delivering smack-in-the-mouth-grams to solve it.
Oh, look at you, so hard irl. You make me shake and shiver with fear........
Actually in a thread garnished with sillyness, you take the 'fail' to a whole new lvl. Well done you.
Dwi Cymraig
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: annoing Oh, look at you, so hard irl. You make me shake and shiver with fear........
Actually in a thread garnished with sillyness, you take the 'fail' to a whole new lvl. Well done you.
I see what you did there
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and Girls,
I have been watching this thread and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a discussion about how you see the game being improved or how you see the community spirit being improved.
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
By all means discuss what improvements you would like to see. We ahve a Features and Ideas Forum that Developers read daily. Let us know by mailing us at [email protected] if you have ideas on how community spirit can be improved.
Please do refrain from discussions of cheating/alleged cheating or moderation as posts of that nature will be removed.
Well, since you guys are watching... Post some more dev blogs! I used to look forward to seeing them every week, they seem quite rare now though. I understand that you guys are busy improving stuff, but it's really nice to have at least a slight understanding of what you guys are up to :)
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:17:00 -
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Sometimes CCP needs to get flamed for being particularly boneheaded; most times, the sheer nerd-rage leaves me shaking my head.
Oh well, I guess it's an indication of Eve's addictiveness that many players act like the family dog just turned around and bit them when they don't like a patch note... (that or Eve players are just less socially adjusted than most game populations).
fake edit: posting in a New and Improved Jenny thread :)
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Heh, what did I do? My English is improving, good, good. Maybe I can now start tendering for upcoming CSM.
Jenny Spitfire, Community Senator.
This is a horrifying idea __________________________________
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
This game has always been about dealing with the consequences of your actions; there is no way to cover up past transgressions and choices that were made years ago have effect on the game today. I somehow doubt that all the result of the incident which you are referring to have been cleared out. There are certainly people with fatter wallets or more resources then they may have had if it had not occurred. To think that addressing the issue removes all the consequences that it had on the game is incorrect.
Overzealous cover ups aside I feel that CCP catches too much flak on the forums, mostly due to the fact that 99% of the time people com here to complain, never to say "Thanks for a great game", or "Everything is going great, keep up the good work".
It would be hard to search out the negative posts in the forums if EVERYONE posted about their experiences with CCP or EVE in general; they would be overwhelmed by the many positive ones.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 12/04/2008 20:01:59
Originally by: stahmul
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with. Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
So... what you are saying is that the game has a data layer, a business logic level, and a presentation layer with some networking thrown in?
Thats crazy! Thats nothing like you'd expect, I can't think of ANY TYPE of software architecture that would be compatable with such a crazy layout!
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