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xyledex01
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:22:00 -
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After playing EVE for over a year and taking a backseat on the forums (mostly), I've read A LOT of posts and topics that spread over a wide range of issues and there seems to be a common element among a large number of threads - a general (and in my opinion, unfounded) resentment towards the development staff & CCP.
My first experience with EVE was early last year when I stumbled upon the downloadable videos on the EVE website, and have been hooked on this game ever since. As a long-time programmer / UI designer who has tried a hand at game development, I'm simply amazed at the complexity of EVE and the intense passion of its members (which is probably why some discussions become so heated). For those who play the game but have never done game development, I'd encourage a bit of restraint before attacking those people who have assembled the game we play so passionately. Game dev is a VERY difficult task, and CCP has really done an excellent job at it. Not only are the graphics well done, the logical structure and game mechanics (as compex as they are) work very well.
After thousands of hours playing EVE, I'm still eager to see the upcoming developments that the Devs are working on, and really hope that fellow pilots extend a hand of thanks for putting so much work into the game. There are so many threads on the website, it must be difficult to code all day and then read through / post on the forums before going home for the evening. I can certainly understand why Devs are reluctant to post comments with the amount of negative entries that seem to make their way to the forums. (am glad to see the replies that have been posted on the more important topics though!)
Anyways, it's just my two cents, but wanted to say thanks to the Devs (CCP) for giving me something to look forward to each day - life has been better since EVE  |
Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:27:00 -
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Just posting to say thanks to the development team too. In all honesty I have never played a game where the dev team is as dedicated and passionate about their game as CCP and for that, I thank them :)
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Rhaegor Stormborn
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:32:00 -
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Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
Dude, you're talking about hating people because they provided you with a game.
I think you need to take a break for awhile, and realise how stupid and unhelpful saying those things is. (and kinda nasty) =s
/throws some love at the CCP Devs/
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Andrest Disch
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
Dude, you're talking about hating people because they provided you with a game.
I think you need to take a break for awhile, and realise how stupid and unhelpful saying those things is. (and kinda nasty) =s
/throws some love at the CCP Devs/
Andrest Disch... What Rhaegor Stormborn said is correct, and sometimes the truth hurts.. it's not seen that way to a lot of players tho.
V8I
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
And how is this reason to hate them? You can't hate people for things that are out of their control, it's not as though they don't try to fix these things, if they didn't then fair enough, but they do. I honestly don't know why they bother sometimes, they constantly try to improve the game and make it a better experience for everyone but people like you just throw it back in their faces. You are acting like an ungrateful child, grow up and realise that they are in fact trying to do everything they can to help!
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Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
That's being over dramatic and if you really believe that's the state of the game why are you even still playing?
CCP makes mistakes the same as everyone else but people forget that for every thing that goes wrong or doesn't work there are a dozen things that work fine, we just don't notice them because they're doing what they should have been doing.
So thanks CCP for making a great game that's pretty much kept me hooked for almost 5 years now and I don't think I'll be going anywhere any time soon 
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Rhaegor Stormborn
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
That's being over dramatic and if you really believe that's the state of the game why are you even still playing?
CCP makes mistakes the same as everyone else but people forget that for every thing that goes wrong or doesn't work there are a dozen things that work fine, we just don't notice them because they're doing what they should have been doing.
So thanks CCP for making a great game that's pretty much kept me hooked for almost 5 years now and I don't think I'll be going anywhere any time soon
I'm not. Just going out in true Eve style. Griefing CCP every step of the way.
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Andrest Disch... What Rhaegor Stormborn said is correct, and sometimes the truth hurts.. it's not seen that way to a lot of players tho.
I'm not saying the game's perfect, but insulting Devs and basically crying on the forums isn't going to make anything any better.
If that guy really doesn't like the game, he should either quit or suggest how to make the game better in constructive discussions, but still shouldn't think the devs are only there to make the game what he wants it to be.
Saying stuff like "its no wonder people hate CCP" without really giving any examples of what's wrong and how to fix it is counter productive and stupid.
And anyway, don;t turn this thread into a flame fest, the forums already have enough of them.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:53:00 -
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No, you're just being immature.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:02:00 -
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It's not nasty for someone to point out flaws in a game that have for so long gone unfixed. We have to take into consideration the OP is a little over a year old. So he hasn't been around as long as some of the rest of us have. This means he hasn't put up with as much dumb **** as the rest of us, but lets try to concisely recap most of the grumbles with CCP and EVE's Devs that have happened over the years.
-It was discovered that a CCP Dev by the moniker of T20 had "spawned" as in, created items that would not otherwise have existed. Quite a few T2 BPOs which were not given out by the lottery system. Just off hand I can remember one was a Sabre BPO, back when Interdictors were 25% faster and the Sabre was by far the best one selling for 25-35mil a unit. Also included I think was a Malediction BPO, a few useful ammo bpos like Spike L, which at the time (before it was nerfed) was by far one of the best long range sniper ammos in the game. (There was a time when all people did in EVE was snipe, back before we could cross 200km in a few moments, and when warp stabs actually mattered and had no penalty)
So, not only did he spawn these bpos, he also headed up BoB's capital ship fleet and the design and implementation of it, and this was back when capitals were very new. When it was discovered that T20 was in BoB, CCP forced him to leave the alliance, but before he left... Remember those T2 bpos he spawned for himself? The really useful ones? He just "gifted" them to his former corp and alliance, Band of Brothers. So they gained the use of 6-8 illegitimate bpos which were in no way a part of the normal economy. This stood for 6 months or more before the huge uproar that released all this information, and eventually. CCP took those bpos away from BoB and re-seeded them into the T2 lottery, but... BoB was still able to profit heavily off those bpos financially and strategically for at least six months. Oh yeah, and CCP told us when this happened they would fire anyone who did something like this, but- they weren't gonna fire T20.
-It's also been hinted at that before any very big game change CCP employees either use inside information to their advantage, or give this information to other in-game individuals to use. A good example would be when the t1 cargo expander bpos magically switched to t2 ones. CCP never said anything about this to anyone outside of the game until it happened, but mysteriously a week before the change a character came out of nowhere that was all of a sudden very interested in buying expanded cargo hold I bpos. (Which for you new players weren't seeded on the market back in the day, they were pretty much like t2 bpos, but just t1)
So someone knew something and they definitely made bank on that.
-There's also been evidence to suggest that some CCP employees filled in members of certain Alliances and Corporations on upcoming ingame events that they could benefit from. For example back in the day there used to be many more ingame events, and these events gave away stuff like Motherships. There was a couple instances in which it was said that certain ingame individuals closely connected to CCP received inside information that allowed them to be prepared and on time when events like these with big prizes were "randomly" run.
Those are just a few reasons people are upset with CCP.
Now you claim the graphics in this game are great, but up until a few months ago, the code hardly utilized the graphics card at all. Also, the entire thing is written in "stackless python" which is a straight up scripting language and very telling of their scalability problems. They never expected the code to grow this unmanageable. In speaking to some veterans you'll hear things like the programmers who designed the original billboards are gone and noone now can figure out how they wrote them.
Chalk those up and add in that desynch isn't fixed after all these years (and only getting worse), you have a great recipe for discontent.
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Alrione
Amarr
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
You, are the cancer thats killing /eve/ 
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
You, are the cancer thats killing /eve/
I don't know you or anything, but I'm assuming you don't know this person either. Or why he's saying what he says. So perhaps _you're_ what's killing EVE, and that would be general blatant ignorance.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:12:00 -
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I hate the people in CCP for having a good job! and free coffee and tea etc!
Other than that I hump there legs all day long for there work. What ever the whiner are keep going!
Trinity Corporate Services
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
I hate the people in CCP for having a good job! and free coffee and tea etc!
Other than that I hump there legs all day long for there work. What ever the whiner are keep going!
I can't touch this attempt at forming a coherent couple of sentences with a 10 foot pole. Look, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion, don't even bother. Some of us would like to talk about the issue, it is a discussion thread. Not "who can support the OP the most" so if you're going to discuss, then by all means, but for the love of god don't bump it to the top with something stupid just to put your name on it.
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
stuff
This still doesn't answer the whole 'why do people hate CCP' question, does it? You are basing your dislike for an entire company based on the actions of one individual, I'm sorry but that's absurd.
Sure, there could of been things put in place to protect themselves from things like happening but I'm sure they would have never expected it, I certainly didn't. What CCP have done because of this shows that they do care though, because of this they now have a system put in place to prevent it happening again, why do people fail to see that and still continue to hate because of it?
**** happens, but then CCP do their damn best to fix it and if that isn't enough for you, why are you still playing?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:21:00 -
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Oh look, the t20 thing was terrible but that was a year ago and there hasn't been a sniff of dev corruption since. Get over it. The Internal Affairs team have basically fixed that problem. It's not like BoB haven't been run out of 7 regions since then. 
As for the rest... are CCP sometimes amateurish? Yes! Is that any kind of justification for the sheer hate and vitriol that gets poured out? No, hell no. They're doing their best, and I'd rather pay a company that makes mistakes and produces something they believe in than one which produces a slick, bland, lowest common denominator "product".
EvE has flaws and inconsistencies, for sure. But it's also at heart a fantastic game - so what about respecting that while you're making criticisms? I'm sorry, but it is perfectly possible to criticise without acting in the manner that one person has already seen fit to grace this thread with. There is simply no excuse for the kind of language we see so often. It degrades the forum, demoralises the devs and distorts and obscures the genuine issues that need to be resolved. If you spoke face to face like that to the people that run a resteraunt or a bar or a hotel, you'd be "asked" to leave immediately.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Alrione
Amarr
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
I don't know you or anything, but I'm assuming you don't know this person either. Or why he's saying what he says. So perhaps _you're_ what's killing EVE, and that would be general blatant ignorance.
Perhaps, perhaps not, however looking a bit in front of your own nose (relevant to about 95% of eve-o forum population) would actually get rid of whining and bashing. Oh, no, we should all be self centered dorks and whine, whine, whine, whine...
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:22:00 -
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it's also worth noteing that CCP relys on the playerbase to do (at a guess most) of there bug hunting. even ones submitted which are just typos have been replyed with.. sorry can't reproduce.
Issues such as drones were fixed 4 or 5 times... before finaly being fixed (i do hear stories about players still having issues)
The forum rendering machine gets looked at ONLY when enough people ***** about it on the forums
One of the major issues since the last patch for me is the Jumping of the HUD windows... No fix in patch notes. (female dead bodies will help ofc)
the eve client crashing, Drop in FPS, unable to stay connected, hell we have our own forum section to WORKAROUNDS! not fixes workarounds.. what does that say about the dev's.. we can't fix over to the players.
Web dept can't get players to stay logged in, hell they can't even update the item database.
it's not that I hate any or all CCP staff.. they DID a great job, but since we were informed about eve china general dev<->playerbase comms went down some, now they have this vampire MMO in the works it's almost non-existant.
CCP don't have to inform the players of anything but when there quality of work drops they still expect me to be happy and understanding? Get real.
V8I
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:23:00 -
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I like devs who can be frank with the playerbase, even if its a negative critique. And CCP Prism X have confirmed what I was afraid of. The playerbase itself must take the blame on a lot of it.
I Have seen it myself. When I started playing in 2005 the devs where waaay more active, and the arguments and discussions between players and devs where heated, but always constructive and good. Now, its all bashing. All negativity. just whine whine whine. So yes, I can understand why the devs keeps more on the background these days then before.
Link to CCP Prism X post
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
Originally by: northwesten
I hate the people in CCP for having a good job! and free coffee and tea etc!
Other than that I hump there legs all day long for there work. What ever the whiner are keep going!
I can't touch this attempt at forming a coherent couple of sentences with a 10 foot pole. Look, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion, don't even bother. Some of us would like to talk about the issue, it is a discussion thread. Not "who can support the OP the most" so if you're going to discuss, then by all means, but for the love of god don't bump it to the top with something stupid just to put your name on it.
awww cry me a river and sit on my middle finger and spin :) have a nice day! I say what i like and nothing you can do about nor i care!
Trinity Corporate Services
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I like devs who can be frank with the playerbase, even if its a negative critique. And CCP Prism X have confirmed what I was afraid of. The playerbase itself must take the blame on a lot of it.
I Have seen it myself. When I started playing in 2005 the devs where waaay more active, and the arguments and discussions between players and devs where heated, but always constructive and good. Now, its all bashing. All negativity. just whine whine whine. So yes, I can understand why the devs keeps more on the background these days then before.
Link to CCP Prism X post
Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys..
I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
V8I
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sabrin Kulu
Originally by: stahmul
stuff
This still doesn't answer the whole 'why do people hate CCP' question, does it? You are basing your dislike for an entire company based on the actions of one individual, I'm sorry but that's absurd.
Sure, there could of been things put in place to protect themselves from things like happening but I'm sure they would have never expected it, I certainly didn't. What CCP have done because of this shows that they do care though, because of this they now have a system put in place to prevent it happening again, why do people fail to see that and still continue to hate because of it?
**** happens, but then CCP do their damn best to fix it and if that isn't enough for you, why are you still playing?
I'm sure my post is a bit tl;dr for you, but from what you've just said it doesn't seem you've read my post entirely. It wasn't just ONE person. It wasn't just T20, it was members of the events team, it was members that were using their personal accounts to join and help alliances, leaking to people unrelated with the game development information that would give them an unfair advantage versus everyone else in the game.
People hate CCP because of the inconsistency. It's like when your parents tell you not to do something bad but then you see them sparking up the lighter to melt the ****** for injection. It's not just inconsistency in a wide range of policy related to things happening ingame, it's inconsistency in the way their write their game.
I know you're praising them for making it as complex and wonderful as you think it is, but even the developers themselves have admitted that EVE is _not_ complex. I believe Oveur himself said something to the effect of; "You could play EVE with a text based client if you wanted to, it just wouldn't be that interesting"
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with. Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
It's not just all that, but we've also been promised things that have just simply never happened. I don't even have the time nor the attention span to list all the reasons over the years why some have grown bitter towards CCP, that's why I'm hoping some others will stop in to add their two cents instead of these tools flaming anyone you disagrees with you.
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: stahmul
I don't know you or anything, but I'm assuming you don't know this person either. Or why he's saying what he says. So perhaps _you're_ what's killing EVE, and that would be general blatant ignorance.
Perhaps, perhaps not, however looking a bit in front of your own nose (relevant to about 95% of eve-o forum population) would actually get rid of whining and bashing. Oh, no, we should all be self centered dorks and whine, whine, whine, whine...
I agree, I think the reason for most of the whining on the forum is because people fail to look at the game as a whole, if something affects them in a negative way they will cry about it.
This kind of behaviour if completely juvenile, if the people who whine about the game truly loved it as much as they say they do then they would care more about the game improving as a whole rather than just the ships that they fly or the activities that they partake in.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I like devs who can be frank with the playerbase, even if its a negative critique. And CCP Prism X have confirmed what I was afraid of. The playerbase itself must take the blame on a lot of it.
I Have seen it myself. When I started playing in 2005 the devs where waaay more active, and the arguments and discussions between players and devs where heated, but always constructive and good. Now, its all bashing. All negativity. just whine whine whine. So yes, I can understand why the devs keeps more on the background these days then before.
Link to CCP Prism X post
Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys..
I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
Wrong. The players cased it. Just because there where no mods around for a short while, does not mean the forums can be used for a trashdump. Behaving is a social thing up to each and every one of us. The mods are back now, but i think their presence should be stronger and run with a firmer hand - since not everyone seems to be willing to behave - you know - just like grown men and women.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Andrest Disch
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
Rejuvenate
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys..
I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
So basically, "Hey! That guy gave me a gun, it's his fault I used it to shoot myself!"
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
Originally by: Sabrin Kulu
Originally by: stahmul
stuff
This still doesn't answer the whole 'why do people hate CCP' question, does it? You are basing your dislike for an entire company based on the actions of one individual, I'm sorry but that's absurd.
Sure, there could of been things put in place to protect themselves from things like happening but I'm sure they would have never expected it, I certainly didn't. What CCP have done because of this shows that they do care though, because of this they now have a system put in place to prevent it happening again, why do people fail to see that and still continue to hate because of it?
**** happens, but then CCP do their damn best to fix it and if that isn't enough for you, why are you still playing?
I'm sure my post is a bit tl;dr for you, but from what you've just said it doesn't seem you've read my post entirely. It wasn't just ONE person. It wasn't just T20, it was members of the events team, it was members that were using their personal accounts to join and help alliances, leaking to people unrelated with the game development information that would give them an unfair advantage versus everyone else in the game.
People hate CCP because of the inconsistency. It's like when your parents tell you not to do something bad but then you see them sparking up the lighter to melt the ****** for injection. It's not just inconsistency in a wide range of policy related to things happening ingame, it's inconsistency in the way their write their game.
I know you're praising them for making it as complex and wonderful as you think it is, but even the developers themselves have admitted that EVE is _not_ complex. I believe Oveur himself said something to the effect of; "You could play EVE with a text based client if you wanted to, it just wouldn't be that interesting"
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with. Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
It's not just all that, but we've also been promised things that have just simply never happened. I don't even have the time nor the attention span to list all the reasons over the years why some have grown bitter towards CCP, that's why I'm hoping some others will stop in to add their two cents instead of these tools flaming anyone you disagrees with you.
The last line in your post is especially ironic.
By all means disagree with and criticise CCP and the devs... but do it politely and respectfully. Is that truly so much to ask?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
more stuff
I did read your whole post. I was just pointing out one example of how they have done something to help, I only felt the need to post in reply to that particular issue though as it is one that comes up often.
I'm going to extend this question to you again though; why do you still play EvE, you sound like you have a serious dislike for the game...
Sure there are a lot of bugs, a game of this size is bound to have them. As someone else in the thread already mentioned though, people only concentrate on these, they all fail to remember that the other 95% of the game is in perfect working condition.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys..
I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
I disaglee. Mods form CCP will alway be better than frei mods from player base. CCP is a croporate and shoudl behaye like a croporate by hiring relaible workers to do teh job. I dont habe anything agaist volunters but frei workers mabe not get well with big crop.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
By all means disagree with and criticise CCP and the devs... but do it politely and respectfully. Is that truly so much to ask?
The way he replied to my post yes very hard for him!Tho what can you do with a short sighted and close minded person? not alot :(
Trinity Corporate Services
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys..
I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
Mods from CCP will always be better than free mods from the player base.
Yes the mods are doing a fine job of moderating the forums...Please contact the previous owner of "Jenny" and ask him/her what the forums were like 6 months before they in retired the mod crew. A much better place then they are now, and back then there was no report post link.
these forums are nothing like they were back then, back then they were useful in so many ways.. now there just for trolling.
V8I
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31
Jenny, your post is too readable.
~ Prism X
EvE Database Developer
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:53:00 -
[33]
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31
Jenny, your post is too readable.
You soooo just edited that ;p
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:55:00 -
[34]
Maybe CCP should just ban all the rabblemonkeys and naybois....
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Alrione
Amarr
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:56:00 -
[35]
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31
Jenny, your post is too readable.
I almost pressed report button, because I was laughing
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Agreed, so what do CCP do... Disband the forum police... yeah great move there guys..
I'm sorry but CCP caused the state of the forums..
Mods from CCP will always be better than free mods from the player base.
Yes the mods are doing a fine job of moderating the forums...Please contact the previous owner of "Jenny" and ask him/her what the forums were like 6 months before they in retired the mod crew. A much better place then they are now, and back then there was no report post link.
these forums are nothing like they were back then, back then they were useful in so many ways.. now there just for trolling.
Rubbish, theres actually been almost no change in the general 'tone' of the forums for the past 18 months.
And thats the crux of the issue. The small, but vocal minority, who think its fine to criticise and stamp 'FAIL' on anything and everything CCP suggest or do need to be stuffed back into their proverbial boxes.
A good example is on this very page. CCP decide that they can improve player performance by logging GPU types - and what do we get? A 'wwaaagh this is rubbish!' post.
Hopeless.
The moderators do a remarkable job for example of balancing freedom of expression, with keeping flame bait trolling to a minimum - it cant be an easy task.
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:04:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Cailais
Rubbish, theres actually been almost no change in the general 'tone' of the forums for the past 18 months.
And thats the crux of the issue. The small, but vocal minority, who think its fine to criticise and stamp 'FAIL' on anything and everything CCP suggest or do need to be stuffed back into their proverbial boxes.
A good example is on this very page. CCP decide that they can improve player performance by logging GPU types - and what do we get? A 'wwaaagh this is rubbish!' post.
Hopeless.
The moderators do a remarkable job for example of balancing freedom of expression, with keeping flame bait trolling to a minimum - it cant be an easy task.
C.
I disagree sir, maybe the vocal minority has gotten bigger but I truely believe that the forums are now worse then they were under the forum mods, maybe it's just me or with my eve-time expanding so has my understanding of game mechanics so I no longer have to search for that understanding but I stand by my statement.
And thats not to say the current mods arn't doing a good job, it was just better back in teh day.
V8I
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DroneCommander
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:06:00 -
[38]
Thanks CCP I love EVE! I know you do your best to fix the problems and I'm grateful for it.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:07:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Cailais
Rubbish, theres actually been almost no change in the general 'tone' of the forums for the past 18 months.
And thats the crux of the issue. The small, but vocal minority, who think its fine to criticise and stamp 'FAIL' on anything and everything CCP suggest or do need to be stuffed back into their proverbial boxes.
A good example is on this very page. CCP decide that they can improve player performance by logging GPU types - and what do we get? A 'wwaaagh this is rubbish!' post.
Hopeless.
The moderators do a remarkable job for example of balancing freedom of expression, with keeping flame bait trolling to a minimum - it cant be an easy task.
C.
I disagree sir, maybe the vocal minority has gotten bigger but I truely believe that the forums are now worse then they were under the forum mods, maybe it's just me or with my eve-time expanding so has my understanding of game mechanics so I no longer have to search for that understanding but I stand by my statement.
And thats not to say the current mods arn't doing a good job, it was just better back in teh day.
Well I concede to your argument - its subjective after all: your perception and mine may differ, as we probably read different posts/topics or view some comments as being negative rather than constructive.
In short I respect your point of view, though Im not sure how we could measure 'forum quality' in any real sense.
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:10:00 -
[40]
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 13:51:31
Jenny, your post is too readable.
I take offence to that ... wait O.o LMAO
Trinity Corporate Services
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CCP Navigator
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:14:00 -
[41]
Guys and Girls,
I have been watching this thread and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a discussion about how you see the game being improved or how you see the community spirit being improved.
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
By all means discuss what improvements you would like to see. We ahve a Features and Ideas Forum that Developers read daily. Let us know by mailing us at [email protected] if you have ideas on how community spirit can be improved.
Please do refrain from discussions of cheating/alleged cheating or moderation as posts of that nature will be removed.
Navigator, Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang
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Zartach Tzarszh
Minmatar
The Royal Engineers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:22:00 -
[42]
Indeed, The dev's have been awsome, and while some may argue it has been a little quiet on the dev postings lately, i can totaly understand that with all the work they are doing.
I have never seen any game company which was so open and honest about what they are doing and how they see their game progressing.
I hope EVE and CCP will remain with us for a very long time and that we and the devs keep having fun playing /coding this awsome game.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:27:00 -
[43]
Heh, what did I do? My English is improving, good, good. Maybe I can now start tendering for upcoming CSM.
Jenny Spitfire, Community Senator.
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Mike Rowlings
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:40:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Heh, what did I do? My English is improving, good, good. Maybe I can now start tendering for upcoming CSM.
Jenny Spitfire, Community Senator.
Welcome back and please stay that way. 
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:42:00 -
[45]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Guys and Girls,
I have been watching this thread and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a discussion about how you see the game being improved or how you see the community spirit being improved.
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
By all means discuss what improvements you would like to see. We ahve a Features and Ideas Forum that Developers read daily. Let us know by mailing us at [email protected] if you have ideas on how community spirit can be improved.
Please do refrain from discussions of cheating/alleged cheating or moderation as posts of that nature will be removed.
In my view there is one activity that could improve the community nature of the forums. That is for CCP Devs to support and encourage sensible posts by responding to them.
The features and ideas forum is a classic case in point.
For example player A comes up with a suggestion. It might get a % of supporters and detractors, but without Dev interaction these (often very well written posts) simply disolve into player vs player arguments with forum cliches like:
"thats never gonna happen.."
"the devs have already stated that.."
"proof or stfu"
and of course "go back to WOW"
The community then flounders about in a increasing spiral of argument, that degenerates very rapidly indeed.
A simple, neutral post could be something along the lines of >
CCP Dev > "Its an interesting idea but there are a few problems we see with it intially such as (insert issue here). Perhaps you can add some more detail to your idea? We've thought of (alternative here) whats your view as players?"
Player B>"Rant rabble rabble - thats not the issue at all CCP its rabble rabble!"
CCP Dev > "Not sure I agree with you on this point Player B - however does anyone else feel the same way?"
etc etc etc
Its a non comital dialogue. Those players who post useless stuff like "go bk 2 WOW u lsr!" should just get there comments chopped out by well, CCP Navigator
As it is currently players are rewarded by being stupid - the 'blue bar effect'. All forum posting is (essentially) a degree of attention seeking. Pay attention to the naughty school kid and he simply acts up again. Ignore him and pay attention to the inquisative school kid and the naughty one thinks 'oh, thats how I get attention - ill do that!'
Its quite simple psychology really, something trolling experts understand. Post a contraversial topic, sprinkle with poor grammar and an angry tone - voila one thread naught.
An example - which of these topics will generate the most 'hits' and replies?
1. "CCP epic FAIL!!11! Fix lame gank tactics!"
'Lame gate camping must b nerfd. Why can you shoot people on the gates it just sucks and its pointless'
2. "Wormholes - Idea"
'Perhaps we need alternatives to the normal stargates such as hidden wormholes to provide more options to the player during travel'
Both essentialy address the same subject - which one will get the blue or red bar of the Dev / Mod clean up team?
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:13:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
it's also worth noteing that CCP relys on the playerbase to do (at a guess most) of there bug hunting. even ones submitted which are just typos have been replyed with.. sorry can't reproduce.
/this
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:19:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Issues such as drones were fixed 4 or 5 times... before finaly being fixed (i do hear stories about players still having issues)
The forum rendering machine gets looked at ONLY when enough people ***** about it on the forums
And each of those times, they fixed a different issue with drones, tried a different technique to reduce lag, etc.
Originally by: Gone'Postal
One of the major issues since the last patch for me is the Jumping of the HUD windows... No fix in patch notes. (female dead bodies will help ofc)
the eve client crashing, Drop in FPS, unable to stay connected, hell we have our own forum section to WORKAROUNDS! not fixes workarounds.. what does that say about the dev's.. we can't fix over to the players.
I have to agree that I'm rather annoyed with the jumping HUD and equally baffled as to why they decided female corpses were worth their time to begin with.
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Web dept can't get players to stay logged in, hell they can't even update the item database.
it's not that I hate any or all CCP staff.. they DID a great job, but since we were informed about eve china general dev<->playerbase comms went down some, now they have this vampire MMO in the works it's almost non-existant.
CCP don't have to inform the players of anything but when there quality of work drops they still expect me to be happy and understanding? Get real.
In my 4 years of playing on and off, I'd say the general dev<->playerbase communication has been consistently good. The only point I'll agree with is that the WoD MMO seems to be consuming their time.
However, we have devs like Prism posting on a daily basis still. And dev blogs provide much more information than they were able to provide simply on the forums (before the blogs).
Originally by: stahmul
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with.
Either you have never done any serious coding, you are delusional, or you're simply being facetious to make EVE seem less developed than other MMOs. "A graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database" is what defines a majority of what we do on a daily basis on the internet. Hell, that's exactly what these forums are... And if you're going to simplify EVE to that point, you may as well say EVE is just a graphical frontend to binary arithmetic.
Originally by: stahmul
Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
I find quite the contrary. In my own personal experience, Fleet Combat works very well. Large scale fleet combat, however, is extremely laggy, and adding drones only exacerbates the problem.
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Docain
M. Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:30:00 -
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EvE is unique (unlike many other games) and I give CCP credit for their great game. It's far too easy to get accustomed to their high standards. There are several people on these forums who ignore good aspects of EvE (and of the staff, too) and focus on the negative things. When this is combined with anonymity you can see a lot of smack talk arising.
Even though CCP isn't perfect, one should always ask if there is a game or a company that does everything better. If there is one go play it; if there isn't stop the smack talk. ;)
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:01:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sabrin Kulu
Originally by: stahmul
more stuff
I did read your whole post. I was just pointing out one example of how they have done something to help, I only felt the need to post in reply to that particular issue though as it is one that comes up often.
I'm going to extend this question to you again though; why do you still play EvE, you sound like you have a serious dislike for the game...
Sure there are a lot of bugs, a game of this size is bound to have them. As someone else in the thread already mentioned though, people only concentrate on these, they all fail to remember that the other 95% of the game is in perfect working condition.
Well to answer your question, truthfully I don't really play any longer. Some time before EVE I played Everquest for many years. When I quit I was so sick of the game because I played it so much that I felt it necessary to cut all ties with the game in the short term because I just had to get away from it. That and well, I didn't want to be always paying for something I didn't play and while I wasn't playing had no benefit to me whatsoever.
EVE is a bit different, with the assets I've managed to amass over the time I've spent playing when I enjoyed it. I've been able to easily fund my accounts now that I do not feel it is worth my hard earned money, simply by using the assets I already have to keep the account active and keep my skills training. Everything else in the game is dead for me, after Trinity I stopped logging on, stopped producing off my two T2 bpos and just let it all sit. I still have skills training because I hope that one day something will change in either me or the game that will draw me back into it, but so far that isn't happening.
You may see me online while I have friends over and am drinking, running scanprobes to find the high value DED plexes to run to keep my characters from going broke, but even then, many plexes I find I don't even bother to do unless I am seriously faced with nothing else to do.
Though, switching back to Everquest. I still to this day have nostalgia from the good times when I really enjoyed playing, the same with EVE, and I still sometimes look for traces of the old feelings. Though I'll never probably ever play EVE (or Everquest) the way I once did, ever again.
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Lucy'Lastic
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: stahmul
Well to answer your question, truthfully I don't really play any longer. Some time before EVE I played Everquest for many years. When I quit I was so sick of the game because I played it so much that I felt it necessary to cut all ties with the game in the short term because I just had to get away from it. That and well, I didn't want to be always paying for something I didn't play and while I wasn't playing had no benefit to me whatsoever.
EVE is a bit different, with the assets I've managed to amass over the time I've spent playing when I enjoyed it. I've been able to easily fund my accounts now that I do not feel it is worth my hard earned money, simply by using the assets I already have to keep the account active and keep my skills training. Everything else in the game is dead for me, after Trinity I stopped logging on, stopped producing off my two T2 bpos and just let it all sit. I still have skills training because I hope that one day something will change in either me or the game that will draw me back into it, but so far that isn't happening.
You may see me online while I have friends over and am drinking, running scanprobes to find the high value DED plexes to run to keep my characters from going broke, but even then, many plexes I find I don't even bother to do unless I am seriously faced with nothing else to do.
Though, switching back to Everquest. I still to this day have nostalgia from the good times when I really enjoyed playing, the same with EVE, and I still sometimes look for traces of the old feelings. Though I'll never probably ever play EVE (or Everquest) the way I once did, ever again.
TBH it sounds like you have lost interest and are looking for a reason to quit by finding faults in the game.
Just saying.
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stahmul
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:28:00 -
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I was actually trying to convey that I had already quit, I don't need any more reason to, but I was also trying to convey that due to the isk for gtc system I have no reason to let my account lapse as it'd just be wasted skillpoints. I'd love to want to come back, but I just don't have any drive to come back that's stronger than my drive to do other things.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: stahmul
I was actually trying to convey that I had already quit, I don't need any more reason to, but I was also trying to convey that due to the isk for gtc system I have no reason to let my account lapse as it'd just be wasted skillpoints. I'd love to want to come back, but I just don't have any drive to come back that's stronger than my drive to do other things.
Nothing wrong with that, and Id agree that 'retired' players still have a lot to add to the forums - a differing perspective if you like.
However some post with nothing but bitterness and bile towards CCP and the game.
That bitterness spreads and conveys an impression that their views are a generally held sentiment - which in the majority of cases they are not.
Perhaps provide suggestions on the features and ideas forum about what you think might draw you back into the game, or others like you?
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:02:00 -
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It is the internet and EvE's growing playerbase will generate an even greater number of spoiled children who act like CCP owes them for creating a great game for a smaller monthly price than a case of good beer.
Don't worry though, people being *****s under the protection of anonymity has been around since frat boys started yelling slurs from passing cars. It would take a somehow legal, fair, yet democratic business dedicated to delivering smack-in-the-mouth-grams to solve it.
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annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:10:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Trathen
It is the internet and EvE's growing playerbase will generate an even greater number of spoiled children who act like CCP owes them for creating a great game for a smaller monthly price than a case of good beer.
Don't worry though, people being *****s under the protection of anonymity has been around since frat boys started yelling slurs from passing cars. It would take a somehow legal, fair, yet democratic business dedicated to delivering smack-in-the-mouth-grams to solve it.
Oh, look at you, so hard irl. You make me shake and shiver with fear........
Actually in a thread garnished with sillyness, you take the 'fail' to a whole new lvl. Well done you.
Dwi Cymraig
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:16:00 -
[55]
Originally by: annoing
Oh, look at you, so hard irl. You make me shake and shiver with fear........
Actually in a thread garnished with sillyness, you take the 'fail' to a whole new lvl. Well done you.
I see what you did there
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
Kismet Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:59:00 -
[56]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Guys and Girls,
I have been watching this thread and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a discussion about how you see the game being improved or how you see the community spirit being improved.
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
By all means discuss what improvements you would like to see. We ahve a Features and Ideas Forum that Developers read daily. Let us know by mailing us at [email protected] if you have ideas on how community spirit can be improved.
Please do refrain from discussions of cheating/alleged cheating or moderation as posts of that nature will be removed.
Well, since you guys are watching... Post some more dev blogs! I used to look forward to seeing them every week, they seem quite rare now though. I understand that you guys are busy improving stuff, but it's really nice to have at least a slight understanding of what you guys are up to :)
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:17:00 -
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Sometimes CCP needs to get flamed for being particularly boneheaded; most times, the sheer nerd-rage leaves me shaking my head.
Oh well, I guess it's an indication of Eve's addictiveness that many players act like the family dog just turned around and bit them when they don't like a patch note... (that or Eve players are just less socially adjusted than most game populations).
fake edit: posting in a New and Improved Jenny thread :)
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Heh, what did I do? My English is improving, good, good. Maybe I can now start tendering for upcoming CSM.
Jenny Spitfire, Community Senator.
This is a horrifying idea 
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:54:00 -
[59]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
I will be going back through this thread and removing the discussions about cheating and alleged cheating. This subject has been addressed by the highest authorities in CCP/Internal Affairs and has no bearing on the game today.
This game has always been about dealing with the consequences of your actions; there is no way to cover up past transgressions and choices that were made years ago have effect on the game today. I somehow doubt that all the result of the incident which you are referring to have been cleared out. There are certainly people with fatter wallets or more resources then they may have had if it had not occurred. To think that addressing the issue removes all the consequences that it had on the game is incorrect.
Overzealous cover ups aside I feel that CCP catches too much flak on the forums, mostly due to the fact that 99% of the time people com here to complain, never to say "Thanks for a great game", or "Everything is going great, keep up the good work".
It would be hard to search out the negative posts in the forums if EVERYONE posted about their experiences with CCP or EVE in general; they would be overwhelmed by the many positive ones.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:01:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 12/04/2008 20:01:59
Originally by: stahmul
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with. Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
So... what you are saying is that the game has a data layer, a business logic level, and a presentation layer with some networking thrown in?
Thats crazy! Thats nothing like you'd expect, I can't think of ANY TYPE of software architecture that would be compatable with such a crazy layout!
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.12 23:39:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 12/04/2008 20:01:59
Originally by: stahmul
EVE is pretty much a graphical frontend to a giant MSSQL database with some code and math to decide how the objects relate to each other over time. It may seem large and grand but at the most basic part, it's an IRC client that lets you find and trade items and have rudimentary skirmish battles with. Remember, Fleet Combat has just straight up _never_ worked.
So... what you are saying is that the game has a data layer, a business logic level, and a presentation layer with some networking thrown in?
Thats crazy! Thats nothing like you'd expect, I can't think of ANY TYPE of software architecture that would be compatable with such a crazy layout!
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.13 00:10:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 13/04/2008 00:11:22
Edited by: Stahlregen on 13/04/2008 00:10:41
I think people are still ****ed from when they were caught cheating also the mods deleting references to cheating can't be doing any good- As if they should by all right be pardoned for their massive ****-up because, after all, they did admit to it.. but hey that's fine by us, right guys?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.13 00:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Stahlregen
I think people are still ****ed from when they were caught cheating also the mods deleting references to cheating can't be doing any good- As if they should by all right be pardoned for their massive ****-up because, after all, they did admit to it.. but hey that's fine by us, right guys?
Because clearly you can cite any time that gets discussed and doesn't get the thread locked for massive flaming and ****posting, right?
And if you don't like it then why are you still here?
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 00:42:00 -
[64]
Quote:
Game dev is a VERY difficult task, and CCP has really done an excellent job at it.
Eve is one of the buggiest games I've ever played, and it is the buggiest game I'm willing to actually pay for. I've come close to canceling over the bugginess more than once.
There are aspects of eve that are very well designed and inspirational, but the execution of the code (aside from some of the graphics, which are beautiful) is NOT something to be hailed.
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.13 05:44:00 -
[65]
When was the last time griefing for stupid reasons and bashing DEV's around improved anything?
-thinks-
Oh - I know :D NEVER
Holy crap, some people just don't grow up do they?
Go pirate or something and leave the DEV alone Simon! Stop griefing CCP because your life may be worthless and you want company.
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Sothis Antares
PBA Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.13 06:28:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Laggy fleet battles, corrupt developers, bugs that never get fixed, selling ISK for real money...it is no wonder people hate CCP.
what's your problem? wasn't it you quitting eve because gm's took all your buyed isk?
beside that, i agree with the op.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.13 06:35:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
I'm not. Just going out in true Eve style. Griefing CCP every step of the way.
And this is the reason noone being it CCP or playerbase ever considers the forums as anything moar than an extension of the game universe with all the self serving metagaming rhetoric we so love to spew to gain the slightest perceived advantage over our foes.
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Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Evita Achura
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.13 07:13:00 -
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 Posting in a censorship thread!!!
Just kidding lots of love for the devs. They don't take themselves too seriously and thats why the game has stayed fun through all the bugs and changes and balancing and nerf-batting and down times etc. Yes some of those are negative things but the game still is fun at the end of the day and thats what counts. If its not fun don't post, just leave. That is all. |
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