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Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.28 00:45:00 - [1] - Quote Herr Ziell ransomed a friend of mine and after being paid blew him up anyway. Don't bother paying his ransoms in the future. Have a good day.
Jake McCord Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society 22	Posted - 2012.02.28 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: Herr Ziell ransomed a friend of mine and after being paid blew him up anyway. Don't bother paying his ransoms in the future. Have a good day. As a general rule, I never pay ransoms. Most griefers don't honor them. They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 145	Posted - 2012.02.28 01:09:00 - [3] - Quote Overload everything and go down fighting. Ransom would never be an issue then.
Otonashi Saya Project Nemesis Moar Tears 62	Posted - 2012.02.28 02:05:00 - [4] - Quote I Honor Ransoms....thats because I am an Isk W h o r e "Do you expect me to talk?"........"No Mr Bond I expect you to die"
Kirith Vespira Border Zone Excursions 11	Posted - 2012.02.28 02:15:00 - [5] - Quote OP, your friend is an idiot for paying in the first place.
Daemon Ceed Brotherhood Of Treachery 16	Posted - 2012.02.28 02:22:00 - [6] - Quote I honor all ransoms too, and encourage you to pay or I will kill your ship and additionally pod you. Thank you and have a nice day.
Sutskop PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus 45	Posted - 2012.02.28 09:43:00 - [7] - Quote I always forget to ransom because I'm so excited, but pay me anyway.
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 772	Posted - 2012.02.28 10:45:00 - [8] - Quote It would be more apt to post to C&P when somebody actually honors a ransom that would be way more interesting VOTE SKIPPERMONKEY FOR CSM - TERRIBAD AT EVE BUT GREAT AT FORUMS show your support for me here
Tora Bushido Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 20	Posted - 2012.02.28 10:58:00 - [9] - Quote Damn thats bad !! I didn't see anything of that ransom ........ My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.28 15:42:00 - [10] - Quote Kirith Vespira wrote: OP, your friend is an idiot for paying in the first place. Thanks for being a ****. Guys been playing for two weeks.

Frontman 242 I Robot Me Tarzan 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:08:00 - [11] - Quote surprise, surprise, surprise
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 445	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:40:00 - [12] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: Kirith Vespira wrote: OP, your friend is an idiot for paying in the first place. Thanks for being a ****. Guys been playing for two weeks. so?
Vrykolakasis Trinity Operations Aurora Irae 35	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:55:00 - [13] - Quote If you don't know specifically that the player honors ransoms, he doesn't.
Immortis Vexx Lupus Draconis Dragehund 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote That is a shame. One of the things that I love about this game is that piracy actually works. You CAN get money out of people by threatening to pop their ship. Honestly, it is one of the coolest things that separates EVE from other MMOs. I myself have paid ransom on mining ships over the years. I always used to believe in a "honor among thieves" but this kind of behavior will slowly destroy ransoms for those that do honor it. Vexx
Daneel Trevize The Scope Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:02:00 - [15] - Quote Really, people aren't commonly honouring these now either? People can't even pirate properly nowadays... OP, I suggest you & your friends go to w-space if they want things to happen differently.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:15:00 - [16] - Quote Daneel Trevize wrote: Really, people aren't commonly honouring these now either? People can't even pirate properly nowadays... OP, I suggest you & your friends go to w-space if they want things to happen differently. Actually before we met this guy a group of us lived in W-space. Was fun then decided to leave.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 62	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:16:00 - [17] - Quote Daneel Trevize wrote: Really, people aren't commonly honouring these now either? People can't even pirate properly nowadays... OP, I suggest you & your friends go to w-space if they want things to happen differently. I still honor ransoms along with all members of my corp and alliance. Just don't pay ransoms to scrubs cus they can't be trusted to have any honour. Sig tanking is the new black
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:04:00 - [18] - Quote We could use a list of honorable pirates so players could have easy access to who can be trusted.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 64	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:13:00 - [19] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: We could use a list of honorable pirates so players could have easy access to who can be trusted. Just fly your shiny ships around Amamake. When we catch your pod, pay the ransom. That simple. Sig tanking is the new black
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:15:00 - [20] - Quote Prefer just to avoid pirates but thanks for the offer.

Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:26:00 - [21] - Quote The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.
Jake McCord Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society 24	Posted - 2012.02.28 23:02:00 - [22] - Quote Herr Ziell wrote: The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. I never pay ransoms, and I never ask for any. No retreat, no surrender. No quarter asked or given. Nuke 'em till they glow in the dark, then turn out the lights. (Typical Chicago Police Report) As the alledged thief ran away, I fired 3 warning shots......into the back of his head. They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?
Sir Lomax Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote All Narwals ransoms are honored. Now if a ransom is offered at all is a totally different story. But as a whole, if you are offered a ransom by a DUCK and it happens to NOT be honored, please bring this forward to our alliance leadership. A large amount of our non-merc activities revolve around us honoring ransoms, so if anyone from ducks violates this... its cause for concern.
Tora Bushido Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 21	Posted - 2012.02.29 11:11:00 - [24] - Quote Dont get me wrong, cause I like the Narwals. But am I to just take your word for it My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:56:00 - [25] - Quote Herr Ziell wrote: The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. 20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands.
Diesel47 Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance 6	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:20:00 - [26] - Quote Jake McCord wrote: Herr Ziell wrote: The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. I never pay ransoms, and I never ask for any. No retreat, no surrender. No quarter asked or given. Nuke 'em till they glow in the dark, then turn out the lights. Oh damn, you are so hardcore! (sarcasm)
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1619	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:24:00 - [27] - Quote Just want to point out a few people that I personally know will ALWAYS honour ransoms. Me! My Alliance mates The Tuskers The Bastards I can't honestly vouch for anyone else but I know the above 100%. There are others out there. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Temugen Death Entertainment And Destruction 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:44:00 - [28] - Quote Immortis Vexx wrote: That is a shame. One of the things that I love about this game is that piracy actually works. You CAN get money out of people by threatening to pop their ship. Honestly, it is one of the coolest things that separates EVE from other MMOs. I myself have paid ransom on mining ships over the years. I always used to believe in a "honor among thieves" but this kind of behavior will slowly destroy ransoms for those that do honor it. Vexx DEAD always honors ransoms and honors pod release if the ransom is your ship. Agreed this is one of the best things about EvE and making someone eject from their ship is an excellent ransom and very fun. One more thing. Remember not to shoot the ship down to low structure as sometimes the pilots skills are the only thing holding it together.
Sir Lomax Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 17:30:00 - [29] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Dont get me wrong, cause I like the Narwals. But am I to just take your word for it HA... well I can tell you how a lot of our fleet engadgements go in coms... Random Duck: Should we ransom? Duck FC: Why? Randdom Duck: For the money.... Duck FC: Fk that, I want to see an explosion. Or.... Random Duck: Should we ransom? Duck FC: Its not part of the contract. Or my fav. Random Duck: Should we ransom? Duck FC: Sure, but don't rush it. Maybe if we stall, he will get some friends and we will have a real fight. But honestly, untill your on the receiving end of it or fly with us... you may never know
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 18:10:00 - [30] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: Herr Ziell wrote: The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. 20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands. This was not what was agreed upon in conversation. Perhaps you should talk more to your friend

Grog Drinker The Tuskers 26	Posted - 2012.02.29 18:15:00 - [31] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Just want to point out a few people that I personally know will ALWAYS honour ransoms. Me! My Alliance mates The Tuskers The Bastards I can't honestly vouch for anyone else but I know the above 100%. There are others out there. We would rather you not tell people you know us. We have a reputation to uphold.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.29 19:47:00 - [32] - Quote Herr Ziell wrote: Naj Panora wrote: Herr Ziell wrote: The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. 20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands. This was not what was agreed upon in conversation. Perhaps you should talk more to your friend I was on Teamspeak getting the ransom demand in real time so I was talking to him.
Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 19:56:00 - [33] - Quote Herr ziell your so full of it you stole from me i was dumb enough to retaliate then you demanded a ransom of 20m isk i paid then you said that was just to see if i would pay and demanded 60m isk more after you asked me how much isk i had and i replyed 100m isk why you gotta lie dude just shows how little honor you have. i then said screw it and you brought in someone with a hurricane and took me out
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 20:20:00 - [34] - Quote Magoo FluxinHertz wrote: Herr ziell your so full of it you stole from me i was dumb enough to retaliate then you demanded a ransom of 20m isk i paid then you said that was just to see if i would pay and demanded 60m isk more after you asked me how much isk i had and i replyed 100m isk why you gotta lie dude just shows how little honor you have. i then said screw it and you brought in someone with a hurricane and took me out First of all, please don't insult me by saying I would actually ask double the amount of your ships worth. I am more professional than that and I request that you recognize that. Your drake had a value of 36 million, all I did was ask for a 40 million payout as, with mods and rigs, it would be well worth your isk to pay. You sent 20 million at which point I told you that you needed 20 million more and that I would then set you free. Upon hearing this you went into a rage and told me to blow you up instead, so I did.
Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 20:27:00 - [35] - Quote bs dude you stole from me i shot at you you attacked me and then said you would let me go for 20 m isk i paid and you continued to attack me and when i said WTF i PAID you said "hat was just to see if you would pay" Its cool though no sweat off my back lesson learned and your just a lieing fool ... all of this is just too much bs drama for my taste and i wouldnt expect anything more from a lair like herr
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.29 20:47:00 - [36] - Quote [IMG]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3546/ransomepaymentedited2.png[/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us There is a copy of his wallet showing 20mil payed to Herr as per their agreement. Unfortunately the logs have rolled over so I can't get them from Magoo.
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:04:00 - [37] - Quote So first you say I asked a second fee and now you are saying I said that it was just to see if you would pay? You need to get your story straight. He did pay me 20 million, but it was not the 40 million that I asked for. That was what was agreed upon and that is not what was paid as can be seen in the screenshot.
Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:06:00 - [38] - Quote you did not ask for 40mi isk the first time lmao your a clown dude what ever you said 20m ill let you go i paid the 20 and you continued the attack what ever lmao
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:10:00 - [39] - Quote Desist from slandering my name further than you have already tried. You aggressed a rifter in a drake because you figured it would be an easy kill and got stuck. You could have paid the ransom and been set free but instead decided to continue to fire and only pay a partial sum. The result was a continuation of fire and your death after you refused to pay the remainder of the fee. Why you would only pay half is beyond me, but don't make a thread attempting to slander me and saying I asked 60m for a 35m ship, then changing stories when I catch you in your web of lies. Good day to you
Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:16:00 - [40] - Quote Channel ID: -28730767 Channel Name: Private Chat (Herr Ziell) Listener: Magoo FluxinHertz Session started: 2012.02.28 00:14:28 n++[ 2012.02.28 00:14:34 ] Herr Ziell > pay me and ill let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:04 ] Herr Ziell > or do you want to lose your 30 mil ship n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:10 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how much n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:17 ] Herr Ziell > i think 20mil is a fair price n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > stop attacking me and i will n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:49 ] Herr Ziell > guns are off n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:50 ] Herr Ziell > pay n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:37 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > call off yoru buddie n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:18 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > THERE n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:34 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf you got your money n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:07 ] Herr Ziell > need more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:23 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i dont have much more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:42 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > come on dude n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:51 ] Herr Ziell > how much more do you have n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:57 ] Herr Ziell > i undervalued your ship n++[ 2012.02.28 00:19:00 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i only had 100mill n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:03 ] Herr Ziell > 100 mil? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:21 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF THAT WILL BREAK ME n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:31 ] Herr Ziell > give me 25mil more to let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:44 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > unlock everything n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:50 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > and stop attacking n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:53 ] Herr Ziell > pay first n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:59 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i did taht and you lied n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how can i even trust you man n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:13 ] Herr Ziell > the first ransom is to see if you will pay, the second is a valued contract n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:31 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > **** it take the ship

Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:19:00 - [41] - Quote so yes i was wrong it wsnt 60 mi more it was 25 m more my bad but there is the chat log as pulled from C:\Documents and Settings\yourusername\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs Private_Chat_(Herr_Ziell)_20120228_001428
Lahnea Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:19:00 - [42] - Quote Oddly enough, I was about to post saying that from an objective view, the pirate seemed to be more legitimate. Just goes to show you cannot judge a book by its cover. Please honour ransoms, or they will dry up and never be paid.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:27:00 - [43] - Quote When I get home tonight I will post the log from my alt that was trying to negotiate Magoo's release after the ransom was paid. By the way why does the pirate seem more legit?
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 22:12:00 - [44] - Quote 2012.02.28 00:14:34 ] Herr Ziell > pay me and ill let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:04 ] Herr Ziell > or do you want to lose your 30 mil ship n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:10 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how much n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:17 ] Herr Ziell > i think 40mil is a fair price considering rigs and mods n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > stop attacking me and i will n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:49 ] Herr Ziell > guns are off n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:50 ] Herr Ziell > pay n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:37 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > call off yoru buddie n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:18 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > THERE n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:34 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf you got your money n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:07 ] Herr Ziell > you only paid half n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:23 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i dont have much more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:42 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > come on dude n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:51 ] Herr Ziell > how much more do you have n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:54 ] Herr Ziell > you didn't pay the full 40m n++[ 2012.02.28 00:19:00 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i only had 100mill n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:03 ] Herr Ziell > 100 mil? You have plenty then. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:21 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF THAT WILL BREAK ME n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:31 ] Herr Ziell > give me 20mil more to let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:44 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > unlock everything n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:50 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > and stop attacking n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:53 ] Herr Ziell > pay first n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:59 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i did taht and you lied [ 2012.02.28 00:21:03 ] Herr Ziell > you didn't pay the full amount what do you mean i lied? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how can i even trust you man n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:13 ] Herr Ziell > You only gave me half dude, I said 40m. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:31 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > **** it take the ship These are my chat logs pulled from my eve files, but believe what you will. C:\Users\MC\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs Private_Chat_(Magoo_FluxinHertz)_20120228_001428
Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 22:31:00 - [45] - Quote Screen shot showing the file and its attributes and if you look at the attributes the created modified and accessed dates all correspond with an unedited unaltered copy http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/everansome.png/
Magoo FluxinHertz The Biggest Losers 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 22:37:00 - [46] - Quote im not here to cause problem or to cry unfairly hell im not even really worried about it ship was replaced and ive gone about my gaming. and if it wernt for naj i wouldnt have even bothered with getting into this circus but ill be dammed if imma be called a liar..... a noob yes by all means but i have nothing to hide and nothing to gain from this
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 23:37:00 - [47] - Quote Here is my screenshot showing attributes and information of the file: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/chatloge.png/ I don't know what you are getting at or why you are trying so hard to slander me, please stop it. As you have said you've moved on, it is obvious that what you are posting is fabricated and edited.
Immortis Vexx Lupus Draconis Dragehund 0	Posted - 2012.03.01 00:00:00 - [48] - Quote OK, the shenanigans have gone on long enough. There is simply no way to confirm who is telling the truth on this one. So here is what I vote happens. Ziell - Continue your pirate activity, please try to honor all ransoms in the future w/o fuss OP & Magoo - If you are going to pay a ransom pay the full amount and don't play with the pirates! Vexx
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.03.01 00:01:00 - [49] - Quote Agreed. Fly safe and see you all out there.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.03.01 00:44:00 - [50] - Quote Channel ID: -28730908 Channel Name: Private Chat (Private Chat) Listener: Calori Demitri Session started: 2012.02.28 00:21:35 n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:41 ] Herr Ziell > hi? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:45 ] Calori Demitri > let him go he paid ur ransom n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:54 ] Herr Ziell > i undervalued his ship by far n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:57 ] Herr Ziell > the ship alone is worth 36 mil n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:15 ] Calori Demitri > doesnt matter he met ur demand n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:34 ] Herr Ziell > he needs to pay the second half n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:25 ] Calori Demitri > second half was demanded after the first half was paid which was what u told him he had to pay to be released n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:40 ] Herr Ziell > he can either pay or be blown up n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:09 ] Calori Demitri > and after he pays how does he know u arent gonna demand more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:30 ] Herr Ziell > if i demand more it exceeds the value of his ship and is pointless n++[ 2012.02.28 00:25:08 ] Calori Demitri > exept you have all the money at that point

Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.03.01 00:45:00 - [51] - Quote So that is 2 chat logs saying he didn't release Magoo after the first ransom was paid and demanded more money. *BTW we aren't trying to slander your name we just don't like people who lie. Your doing a great job making yourself look bad.
Immortis Vexx Lupus Draconis Dragehund 0	Posted - 2012.03.01 00:56:00 - [52] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: So that is 2 chat logs saying he didn't release Magoo after the first ransom was paid and demanded more money. *BTW we aren't trying to slander your name we just don't like people who lie. Your doing a great job making yourself look bad. Naj - Chat logs have NO credibility imho. Look dude, I hate to say this but, that's enough. I could post in here that I had a conversation with a GM about EVE imploding on itself but would anyone be inclined to believe? No. Why? Because I am an idiot. Which is exactly what you are doing. I don't even think chat logs are supposed to be posted here for that very reason. I understand that you are super heated about this. In the grand scheme of things we are only talking about 30 mil. Go do a few level 3/4 missions and you got it back, congrats. Vexx
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.03.01 00:57:00 - [53] - Quote Channel ID: -28730908 Channel Name: Private Chat (Calori Demitri) Listener: Herr Ziel Session started: 2012.02.28 00:21:35 n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:41 ] Herr Ziell > hi? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:45 ] Calori Demitri > let him go he paid ur ransom n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:54 ] Herr Ziell > He hasn't paid the full 40m n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:57 ] Herr Ziell > the ship alone is worth 36 mil alone, 40m is a small price to pay. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:15 ] Calori Demitri > doesnt matter he met ur demand n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:34 ] Herr Ziell > he needs to pay the second half of the 40m, he only paid 20m. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:25 ] Calori Demitri > second half was demanded after the first half was paid which was what u told him he had to pay to be released n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:40 ] Herr Ziell > I don't know what you are talking about, he can either pay or be blown up. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:09 ] Calori Demitri > and after he pays how does he know u arent gonna demand more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:30 ] Herr Ziell > if i demand more it exceeds the value of his ship and is pointless, all I want is the second 20m. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:25:08 ] Calori Demitri > exept you have all the money at that point
Garven Dreis Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 6	Posted - 2012.03.01 01:16:00 - [54] - Quote Ransom tears are best tears
Ares Renton Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 29	Posted - 2012.03.01 01:21:00 - [55] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: We could use a list of honorable pirates so players could have easy access to who can be trusted. I'll be sure to consult it if I ever get ransomed.
Naj Panora Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance 3	Posted - 2012.03.01 01:32:00 - [56] - Quote Wow you can edit your log. Again I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate for you.
Herr Ziell Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 0	Posted - 2012.03.01 03:02:00 - [57] - Quote The only person "stepping up" for you is your corpmate, the guy that got destroyed. This thread has really gone on long enough with you two trying to fabricate details of things that never happened. I asked for a full ransom of 40m, he only paid half, he got blown up. See you in space, good luck and thanks for the tears.
PredalienPlush Chester Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2012.03.01 06:11:00 - [58] - Quote confirming chat logs can't be edited with notepad and an IQ of 6 also nice tears
CatreX Nolen Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.03.01 07:29:00 - [59] - Quote Herr Ziell wrote: The only person "stepping up" for you is your corpmate, the guy that got destroyed. This thread has really gone on long enough with you two trying to fabricate details of things that never happened. I asked for a full ransom of 40m, he only paid half, he got blown up. See you in space, good luck and thanks for the tears. It's really funny how the pirate is more legit than the guy who got his ship blown up. GG Pirate, keep it up :D (Has a feeling ill encounter you eventually)
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1629	Posted - 2012.03.01 12:23:00 - [60] - Quote Am I right in thinking that you believe paying half of something is as good as paying in full? It's not a dishonoured ransom if you don't actually pay the agreed amount. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)

Jake McCord Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society 25	Posted - 2012.03.13 15:31:00 - [61] - Quote Diesel47 wrote: Jake McCord wrote: Herr Ziell wrote: The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. I never pay ransoms, and I never ask for any. No retreat, no surrender. No quarter asked or given. Nuke 'em till they glow in the dark, then turn out the lights. Oh damn, you are so hardcore! (sarcasm) Not really, I just wanted to be clear on my position/opinion on ransoms. That's all. They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?
Superman150 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.13 21:17:00 - [62] - Quote Short version: Pirate steals carebear's isk, pirate make carebear go boom, other pirates butt hurt about loosing isk.
StonerPhReaK Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent 35	Posted - 2012.03.13 23:31:00 - [63] - Quote Who is Ransom ?
Tor Ramius Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 4	Posted - 2012.03.15 20:51:00 - [64] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: Herr Ziell ransomed a friend of mine and after being paid blew him up anyway. Don't bother paying his ransoms in the future. Have a good day. Confirmed I to have internet honor.
Tora Bushido Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 26	Posted - 2012.03.16 11:21:00 - [65] - Quote This is what my log files recorded in some unexplainable way : [ 2012.02.28 00:21:41 ] Herr Ziell > high? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:45 ] Calori Demitri > let the people go, he gave you food. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:54 ] Herr Ziell > i painted his ship with my own two hands n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:57 ] Herr Ziell > the ship alone is worth 3600B isks n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:15 ] Calori Demitri > doesnt matter he did not have sex with Monica L. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:34 ] Herr Ziell > he needs to pay the second half, cuz 2 x a 1/2 = 3/4 n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:25 ] Calori Demitri > second half was demanded after the first half was paid after the sun set. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:40 ] Herr Ziell > he can either pay or be blown me n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:09 ] Calori Demitri > and after he pays how does he know you will paint his next ship ?! n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:30 ] Herr Ziell > if i demand more paint it is pointless n++[ 2012.02.28 00:25:08 ] Calori Demitri > except you have all the parts of his ship and this log files gets screwed over! My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
Mohr Cowbell Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 288	Posted - 2012.03.17 02:23:00 - [66] - Quote Naj Panora wrote: Herr Ziell ransomed a friend of mine and after being paid blew him up anyway. Don't bother paying his ransoms in the future. Have a good day. Seriously, **** that guy.
Ash Stewart The Tenori Tigers Un.Bound 3	Posted - 2012.03.19 17:14:00 - [67] - Quote Immortis Vexx wrote: OK, the shenanigans have gone on long enough. There is simply no way to confirm who is telling the truth on this one. So here is what I vote happens. Ziell - Continue your pirate activity, please try to honor all ransoms in the future w/o fuss OP & Magoo - If you are going to pay a ransom pay the full amount and don't play with the pirates! Vexx Guys... next time you get an unhonored ransom demand, and you want to make a fuss of it in the forums, I suggest you take a screen shot of the chat from WITHIN the client. That way it's not as easily modified. But best not get that far. Dont pay ransoms, dont fly around low sec with implants (use a jump clone if you have to), fly what you can afford to lose, have insurance. That is all. .................It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight Risin' up to the challenge of our rival And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger...............


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