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Ellaine TashMurkon CBC Interstellar The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:09:00 - [61] "You can have snakes too" is a bad argument against "gap between very rich high SP players and average players is too big with nanos" ;) Before more arguments, I'll do more atempts on getting nanoships with inties.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:32:00 - [62] Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon "You can have snakes too" is a bad argument against "gap between very rich high SP players and average players is too big with nanos" ;) 90% of nano-hac pilots DONT have snakes, since when did the 10% that do(mostly LG ones) define the class? Should I use the 35km/s super pimped crow as the standard for inties too? Because I know quite a few people that fly those. Quote: Before more arguments, I'll do more atempts on getting nanoships with inties. Try it with a falcon jamming the nanoship, works much better.
Ellaine TashMurkon CBC Interstellar The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:56:00 - [63] Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 18/04/2008 09:58:27 Well, another reason of failure of non-nano (inty + slow stuff vs all fast ships) gangs I can think of is a tendency not to fit webs on inties. People use disruptors with little overheat and are happy - "lalala, I tackle BSes outside heavy neut range and I live long, lalala" sing inty pilots joyfully, and at the same time, they're useless against nano. With web they might live for a blink but have a chance for a vaga kill in exchange :)
minerbunny	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:22:00 - [64] Edited by: minerbunny on 18/04/2008 10:22:37 Edited by: minerbunny on 18/04/2008 10:22:09 Edited by: minerbunny on 18/04/2008 10:21:59 Originally by: Freya Selene However before the changes there were no nano's. There were no oneshipwins all, or bails before gething pwnd option. That statement contains so much nonsense that all your other arguments in this or any other thread should be ignored. - Dual-MWD Raven - ECM Curse - Gankageddon - Nanobattleships - Stabbed up Gate Snipers ...
Freya Selene Delucian Defence Initiative The Church.	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:29:00 - [65] Originally by: minerbunny - Dual-MWD Raven - ECM Curse - Gankageddon - Nanobattleships - Stabbed up Gate Snipers ... And they didnt got fixed?
mamolian Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:29:00 - [66] Jesus christ.. just remove everything from the game.. and give us rocks to throw at each other.. Make every damn race balanced and everyone shoot the same damage type with the same resists. What the hell do I need diversity for.. What the hell do I need to spend 3 years training for.. when a ******* 3 month old noob is able to dictate the direction this game is heading! STFU about nanos and cloaking.. -----------
Freya Selene Delucian Defence Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.18 18:31:00 - [67] Originally by: mamolian Jesus christ.. just remove everything from the game.. and give us rocks to throw at each other.. Make every damn race balanced and everyone shoot the same damage type with the same resists. What the hell do I need diversity for.. What the hell do I need to spend 3 years training for.. when a ******* 3 month old noob is able to dictate the direction this game is heading! STFU about nanos and cloaking.. Fun.. someone from 2005 calling someone from 2003 a 3 month old noob. Thanks for your indept analyses of this thread.
Ralon Aster Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.18 18:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Freya Selene Originally by: mamolian Jesus christ.. just remove everything from the game.. and give us rocks to throw at each other.. Make every damn race balanced and everyone shoot the same damage type with the same resists. What the hell do I need diversity for.. What the hell do I need to spend 3 years training for.. when a ******* 3 month old noob is able to dictate the direction this game is heading! STFU about nanos and cloaking.. Fun.. someone from 2005 calling someone from 2003 a 3 month old noob. Thanks for your indept analyses of this thread. But he thought it sounded cool.
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 19:39:00 - [69] Nanos are not the problem, there really is a lack of skilled PVP pilots in game thats the problem... try RR BS, try snipe fit, try being prepared, try T2, try try try try and MOAR TRY... plenty of ways to attack speed fits and when you figure it out for yourself, you wont get the feeling you waited for someone to dumb down the gameplay, YOU SUCEEDED!
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 19:44:00 - [70] Originally by: Freya Selene Originally by: mamolian Jesus christ.. just remove everything from the game.. and give us rocks to throw at each other.. Make every damn race balanced and everyone shoot the same damage type with the same resists. What the hell do I need diversity for.. What the hell do I need to spend 3 years training for.. when a ******* 3 month old noob is able to dictate the direction this game is heading! STFU about nanos and cloaking.. Fun.. someone from 2005 calling someone from 2003 a 3 month old noob. Thanks for your indept analyses of this thread. Noob is a state of mind. I know 06 players who know far more about pvp than some 03 players ever will.

Freya Selene Delucian Defence Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Matrixcvd Nanos are not the problem, there really is a lack of skilled PVP pilots in game thats the problem... try RR BS, try snipe fit, try being prepared, try T2, try try try try and MOAR TRY... plenty of ways to attack speed fits and when you figure it out for yourself, you wont get the feeling you waited for someone to dumb down the gameplay, YOU SUCEEDED! You mean, try to blob.... Iam well known with RR BS, i've flown with -V-/CoW and been with INFOD quiet some time. Sniperfits dont hurt nano's the slightest. They are goners before the pool of large shield extenders is nullified. Unless you got a blob of snipers ready. So instead of having a balanced game, we all prefer to blob the **** out of someone. And we call that skilled pvp pilots.
Freya Selene Delucian Defence Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:26:00 - [72] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Freya Selene Originally by: mamolian Jesus christ.. just remove everything from the game.. and give us rocks to throw at each other.. Make every damn race balanced and everyone shoot the same damage type with the same resists. What the hell do I need diversity for.. What the hell do I need to spend 3 years training for.. when a ******* 3 month old noob is able to dictate the direction this game is heading! STFU about nanos and cloaking.. Fun.. someone from 2005 calling someone from 2003 a 3 month old noob. Thanks for your indept analyses of this thread. Noob is a state of mind. I know 06 players who know far more about pvp than some 03 players ever will. He specificly states "3 month old noob". Why try to correct someones words? You really got nothing of value to add to the discussion other then flaming?
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:16:00 - [73] Originally by: Freya Selene However the rigs for speed as i stated earlyer have two bonusses for nano setup rather then a good and negative part. Extra speed for less armor.. but with less armor MWD is even more effective. Sry, nop.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:30:00 - [74] Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon Problem is that you cannot really put 2 billion in every inty with less then 2k hp total. Most inties being slower then most nano HACs are a problem, really. Some nano HACs being not only faster but more agile then those inties are a problem too. A problem here is the lack of different sizes of rigs/cheap rigs for small and fragile ships. Putting expensive rigs into a small T1 ship, even a cruiser or interceptor, is a waste of money for those who aren't rich and therefore can't replace it regularly. Which again proves that rigs are part of the problems. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well -Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam- ('nerf' means 'incompetence', esp. when you use it)
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:17:00 - [75] Edited by: The Djego on 21/04/2008 18:18:00 MWD Change: Decrease Agilty when activated like -90% Increas Trust like 90% Same speed, but would prevent Ships orbiting with one. This would not hurt Blasterships, the ability to get in Range or out of it are still there, also the option to make it back to the Gate. So basicly the Ship can¦t change mutch of his direction after it turns on the MWD, while a AB fitted Ship can try to get out of his way by turning in a other direction. AB Change: Double the Speedbonus. Mayby a special role Bonus for Ceptors using a MWD and the Vaga. So AB would be speedtanking in a lesser Extend than now but MWDs would be back to her old use to escape or tackle a Ship fast without mutch use beside this. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Jonny JoJo 425 II In PVE? Surely hybrid users use Blaster in PvE.
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.21 23:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Putting expensive rigs into a small T1 ship, even a cruiser or interceptor, is a waste of money for those who aren't rich and therefore can't replace it regularly. Which again proves that rigs are part of the problems. So wait, people who have spent time making isk, who want to spend alot of their isk to fit ships, and those ships have exceptional abilities to what poor players have is a problem? shall we convert eve to communism, mother eve should provide the same for everyone? Again, you don't have the skillz, experience, or isk to afford, knowledge to fly, fight or compete with a certain group of players. That is not a game mechanics problem, I have no problem fighting and killing nanos, i have no problem flying and killing anyone. You can not win every engagement stop thinking because you undock you have the potential to win or even compete in every contest why should I or the rest of people that have learned, spent the money and thru experience honed our skillz, with regards to 1 type of tactic have to change just because the newer pilots are jealous and the the few older players want to be the ultimate parents?
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:28:00 - [77] Originally by: Matrixcvd (..) Don't quote me out of context. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well -Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam- ('nerf' means 'incompetence', esp. when you use it)
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.04.25 11:34:00 - [78] Originally by: Sabrina Al'Kian The thing is, only one of the above ships shouldn't be fitting nano: the ishtar. You know how to counter that? Increase its mass. There. Done. It doesn't have the grid to utilize it's medium guns bonus or the hardpoints for it. It's not really good when it ain't nano'd.
Ellaine TashMurkon CBC Interstellar The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.04.25 12:02:00 - [79] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Putting expensive rigs into a small T1 ship, even a cruiser or interceptor, is a waste of money for those who aren't rich and therefore can't replace it regularly. Which again proves that rigs are part of the problems. Yes, I fully support sized rigs, I was just tired of writing about that in every other thread on that topic :)
Ambien Torca	Posted - 2008.04.30 13:52:00 - [80] Edited by: Ambien Torca on 30/04/2008 13:52:57 I always felt EVE has way too much advantage to be gained by training (waiting) and using isk to uberize your ship. There is too much of a gulf that can be attained between regular player and people who are using everything they can to their advantage. I don¦t really think it¦s unfair to get some perks for trying harder but it should be more on the side of being able to take losses and come back than being so much above in ability/stats that lesses mortals can¦t begin to compete at all. It takes surprisingly long time to train to be a top-notch nanopilot, not only ship flying skills but also auxiliary thing like boosters and heat and such. And of course you need to secure income sources that make it possible to use those ships without spending 50%+ percent of your time grinding terrible and boring missions. Not to mention that even if you do that certain groups can still lord it over you with fancy faction gear and pirate implants anyway.

3ungle Antipodean inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.30 14:31:00 - [81] You beat a Nano gang with, a Nano Gang and skill. Making this game sterile by changing it currently is a waste of time, and only hinders the game in my opinion. What you need to learn to do, is what people here have suggested, Find ways to Slow them down on your own, and WTF BBQ them .. Rememeber once a nanoship stops its pretty much a paper cup.


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