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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:46:00 -
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yes i know that people properly don't really want to hear this but i think it is something that really needs to be adressed.
battleships are so extremely strong compared to any other ship in eve that nothing have a chance in hell to take on of them on, there permanent tanks is on a minimum of 1k dps tanked, and there dps lay at a 1k + . they have suprime tanking, support, and dmg abillity in all aspects that is needed. there is no counters to the battleships in any fight 20 vs 20 man fight or a 200vs 200 man fight or a 1vs1 if one side is pure battleships and the other can't use battleships the battleship side will always win and it will have to be a very large number for the normal ships to ever have a chance to just kill one of the battleships before wipping..
this is really wrong, since in eve all ships should have a counter and it should not only be "the bigger the better" which battleships really are. (even the normal battleships are way overpowered and impossible to counter with a normal ship)
one solution i can see is making a heavy attack ship that is specialized in attacking battleships, let it have a bonus to the use of large guns and let it get a 100% dmg increase ONLY too large guns/launcher, then let it only have 3/4 highslots for "turrets/launchers", and only bonusses to the large weapons, let it have a very effective tank. with only 3/4 high slots and only bonusses for battleship killing(but a very high resist letting it servive the attack of a full attacking capital ship) it will be very limited for anything else then capital slaying.
or simply nerf the battleships a lot. but i really don't think it is needed since they do have a good role, just need a counter. (although there is a need to make some kind of handicap (a very low locking range or something to make them ineffective against pos's, and a high base speed to give them a easy time to close in on a battleship(yer yer i know nano problems but they will soon enough be fixed with a stacking penalti))
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motomysz
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:58:00 -
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yes i know that people properly don't really want to hear this but i think it is something that really needs to be adressed.
battlecruisers are so extremely strong compared to any other ship in eve that nothing have a chance in hell to take on of them on, there permanent tanks is on a minimum of 700 dps tanked, and there dps lay at a 700+ . they have suprime tanking, support, and dmg abillity in all aspects that is needed. there is no counters to the battlecruisers in any fight 20 vs 20 man fight or a 200vs 200 man fight or a 1vs1 if one side is pure battlecruisers and the other can't use battlecruisers the battlecruiser side will always win and it will have to be a very large number for the normal ships to ever have a chance to just kill one of the battlecruisers before wipping..
this is really wrong, since in eve all ships should have a counter and it should not only be "the bigger the better" which battlecruisers really are. (even the normal battlecruisers are way overpowered and impossible to counter with a normal ship)
one solution i can see is making a heavy attack ship that is specialized in attacking battlecruisers, let it have a bonus to the use of medium guns and let it get a 100% dmg increase ONLY too medium guns/launcher, then let it only have 3/4 highslots for "turrets/launchers", and only bonusses to the medium weapons, let it have a very effective tank. with only 3/4 high slots and only bonusses for battlecruiser killing(but a very high resist letting it servive the attack of a full attacking sub-capital ship) it will be very limited for anything else then battlecruiser slaying.
or simply nerf the battlecruisers a lot. but i really don't think it is needed since they do have a good role, just need a counter. (although there is a need to make some kind of handicap (a very low locking range or something to make them ineffective against pos's, and a high base speed to give them a easy time to close in on a battlecruiser(yer yer i know nano problems but they will soon enough be fixed with a stacking penalti))
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:07:00 -
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yes i know that people properly don't really want to hear this but i think it is something that really needs to be adressed.
assault frigates are so extremely strong compared to any other ship in eve that nothing have a chance in hell to take on of them on, there permanent tanks is on a minimum of 300 dps tanked, and there dps lay at a 300+ . they have suprime tanking, support, and dmg abillity in all aspects that is needed. there is no counters to the assault frigates in any fight 20 vs 20 man fight or a 200vs 200 man fight or a 1vs1 if one side is pure assault frigates and the other can't use assault frigate the assault frigate side will always win and it will have to be a very large number for the normal ships to ever have a chance to just kill one of the assault frigate before wipping..
this is really wrong, since in eve all ships should have a counter and it should not only be "the bigger the better" which assault frigate really are. (even the normal assault frigates are way overpowered and impossible to counter with a normal ship)
one solution i can see is making a light attack ship that is specialized in attacking assault frigates, let it have a bonus to the use of small guns and let it get a 100% dmg increase ONLY too medium guns/launcher, then let it only have 3/4 highslots for "turrets/launchers", and only bonusses to the small weapons, let it have a very effective tank. with only 3/4 high slots and only bonusses for assault frigate killing(but a very high resist letting it servive the attack of a full attacking sub-capital ship) it will be very limited for anything else then assault frigate slaying.
or simply nerf the assault frigates a lot. but i really don't think it is needed since they do have a good role, just need a counter. (although there is a need to make some kind of handicap (a very low locking range or something to make them ineffective against pos's, and a high base speed to give them a easy time to close in on an assault frigate(yer yer i know nano problems but they will soon enough be fixed with a stacking penalti))
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Monkey Saturday
SAS Elite Ops Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:28:00 -
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You three win the day
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:44:00 -
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Gamesguy, motomysz, Trathen....best posts ever.
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Jennai
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gimpb I'm a relative newb and I can think of tons of counters to capital ships using sub-caps. Granted, not 1v1 counters but caps aren't 1v1 ships for either side of the fight. You don't see them sitting out alone and vulnerable, and you don't attack one alone either.
small groups of capitals? yes, fairly easy to counter and kill
150 capitals? you can't do anything with subcapitals because everything except covops and recons will die during the 5+ minute gridload, and you can't do anything with capitals because you'd take massive losses to gridload/desync, and that many capitals on one grid is very likely to crash the node.
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Kane Kaldorei
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:55:00 -
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Sorry guys but it had to be done
/sarcasm on
yes i know that people properly don't really want to hear this but i think it is something that really needs to be adressed.
noobships are so extremely strong compared to any other ship in eve that nothing have a chance in hell to take on of them on, there permanent tanks is on a minimum of 5dps tanked, and there dps lay at a 10+ . they have suprime tanking, support, and dmg abillity in all aspects that is needed. there is no counters to the noobships in any fight 20 vs 20 man fight or a 200vs 200 man fight or a 1vs1 if one side is pure noobships and the other can't use noobships the noobship side will always win and it will have to be a very large number for the normal ships to ever have a chance to just kill one of the noobships before wipping..
this is really wrong, since in eve all ships should have a counter and it should not only be "the bigger the better" which noobships really are. (even the normal noobships are way overpowered and impossible to counter with a normal ship)
one solution i can see is making a light attack ship that is specialized in attacking noobships, let it have a bonus to the use of civilian guns and let it get a 100% dmg increase ONLY too civilian guns, then let it only have 3/4 highslots for "turrets/launchers", and only bonusses to the civilian weapons, let it have a very effective tank. with only 3/4 high slots and only bonusses for noobship killing(but a very high resist letting it servive the attack of a full attacking sub-capital ship) it will be very limited for anything else then noobship slaying.
or simply nerf the noobship a lot. but i really don't think it is needed since they do have a good role, just need a counter. (although there is a need to make some kind of handicap (a very low locking range or something to make them ineffective against pos's, and a high base speed to give them a easy time to close in on an noobship(yer yer i know nano problems but they will soon enough be fixed with a stacking penalti))
/sarcasm off
Seriously? Imagine a ship costing 1bil+ unfitted being able to 1v1 a ship costing less than 100mil? NERF CAP SHIP CCP!
They paid the price for their ships, now they reap the benefits. And they arent overpowered, a well organised gang can take down lone caps no problem (note that the gang might cost less in total than the cap ship does!!)
I hate people like you.....and I fell for the troll
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Torrence Osti
A.W.M Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2008.04.16 01:24:00 -
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Is the OP joking?
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Killer Kelly
Caldari Legio Victrix New Eden Federation.
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Posted - 2008.04.16 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Buyerr
there is no counters to the capital ships in any fight 20 vs 20 man fight or a 200vs 200 man fight or a 1vs1 if one side is pure capital and the other can't use capital ships the capital side will always win
I think you should quit eve now because it is wayyyy over your head. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation |
B0rn2KiLL
DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.04.16 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Buyerr capital ships are so extremely strong compared to any other ship in eve that nothing have a chance in hell to take on of them on
I should have stopped reading there but I didn't, and I regret it
THanks for the warning.. tl;dr
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Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
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