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Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:52:00 - [1] Up to 10 people I was able to give bonuses to everyone in my gang, but now that we have 11 people, the squad is only big enough for 10 people, is it possible to arrange gang somehow to give bonuses to more than 10? If so, how do I do it?
Fanjita	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:56:00 - [2] become a wing leader train wing command to 5 then you can give bonuses to 5 squads
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:56:00 - [3] the boss needs to designate you as fleet booster? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Erotic Irony the boss needs to designate you as fleet booster? I already am fleet booster, but only the squad is getting bonuses and we can only fit 10 people into the squad. I have to be in that squad and be squad commander in order to give that squad bonuses, so far no other way i've tried it is working, suggestions?
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Fanjita become a wing leader train wing command to 5 then you can give bonuses to 5 squads I have wing command 2 which is enough to make a 2nd squad, but I can't figure out how to do it.
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:05:00 - [6] How do the titan pilots give bonuses to huge gangs? There has to be a way to do it.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Maama Originally by: Fanjita become a wing leader train wing command to 5 then you can give bonuses to 5 squads I have wing command 2 which is enough to make a 2nd squad, but I can't figure out how to do it. Right click on yourself (or whoever is the wing commander) in the fleet command window -> create squad CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:10:00 - [8] You actually have to be the wing commander or the boss in order to create another squad. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Uncle ScroogeMcduck Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:11:00 - [9] Move yourself to wing commander. Assign someone with appropriate skills to squad commanders and fill your squads. IF a Squad commander is blank or not qualified your skills won't trickle down. The top guy in the pyramid only gives bonuses if the right pieces are in place below him. Also make sure you create the fleet so you can move people around as need be.
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:12:00 - [10] Ok, that doesn't help me give gang bonus to more than 10 people though, how can I give gang bonus to more than 10 people?
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Uncle ScroogeMcduck Move yourself to wing commander. Assign someone with appropriate skills to squad commanders and fill your squads. IF a Squad commander is blank or not qualified your skills won't trickle down. The top guy in the pyramid only gives bonuses if the right pieces are in place below him. Also make sure you create the fleet so you can move people around as need be. I don't understand this, how can I make sure a squad commander is qualified, does he need a command ship with gang modules also?
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:14:00 - [12] Couple of things: 1) To have the second squad, someone has to be "appointed" to be in charge of that squad. 2) The chain of Command must be unbroken from the bottom up. Meaning: If you have squad members, you have to have a squad leader to get bonuses. If you have a wing commander, their bonuses trickle down to the squads, but ONLY if the squad leader(s) have the right leadership skills to "command" the squad. If you have a Fleet Commander, NO wing Commander, but you DO have a squad leader you still will NOT get bonuses; all must be filled between top and bottom. For your example you would have one Wing Commander, 2 squad leaders and bunch of squad members. You would NOT have a FC or any other leadership positions higher up the chain. Hope that helps Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Maama I don't understand this, how can I make sure a squad commander is qualified, does he need a command ship with gang modules also? No, all he needs is the leadership skills required to be a squad leader. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Originally by: Maama I don't understand this, how can I make sure a squad commander is qualified, does he need a command ship with gang modules also? No, all he needs is the leadership skills required to be a squad leader. So he doesn't need the gang warfare skills that I am supplying to people either?
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Maama Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby No, all he needs is the leadership skills required to be a squad leader. So he doesn't need the gang warfare skills that I am supplying to people either? Nope :) Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Tyroid Divine Retribution Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Tyroid on 15/04/2008 22:21:31 1) Move yourself to wing command 2) assign a squad command for each of your squads 3) Make sure the squad commander has leadership 5 or they will not receive any bonus
Ki Anna Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:26:00 - [17] In order for you to give bonuses to 11+ people you need to have 2 other people in the fleet with the skill Leadership. You also need to have at least Wing Command 2. You need to be assigned as Wing Commander and Wing Booster. One of the other characters in the fleet needs to be assigned as Squad Commander of the first squad. Another character needs to be assigned as the Squad Commander of the second squad. The remaining characers need to be assigned as squad members such that each squad does not have more than twice as many members as its commander has levels of Leadership. For example if one of the Squad Commanders only has Leadership 3, his squad cannot have more than squad commander + 5 squad members. Once you have everyone in place the bonuses should be applied. Basicly, you need to set up such that each squad member is getting bonuses from his squad commander, once the squads are in place, you can then provide wing commander bonuses to those within your squads. If a squad loses its squad command bonus, it will also lose the wing command bonus. So you need to make sure that you maintain a valid squad commander at all times.
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:44:00 - [18] Does the squad commander also need wing command 1 in order for the bonus to go to the squad members?
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:52:00 - [19] No. The Wing Commander needs the Wing Commander skill. You need the skill at 2 to run 2 squads, 3 for 3 squads, etc. Squad Commanders need Leadership, preferably to 5, but not necessary depending on how many people you have. Leadership 4 can run an 8 man squad just fine, put a 9th person in his squad and the bonus disappears for everyone in that squad.
Kamazani Minmatar The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:56:00 - [20] Lets say I have 11 total people in my gang (including me)and I want my guys to have skill bonuses. I have Wing Command 2 (allowing me to run 2 squads) so I must: 1) Create Fleet, move myself to wing command. 2) Create 2 squads. 3) Invite first group of friends. 4) Place 1 of my friends as squad leader of squad 1(he needs leadership 5 to have 10 people in that squad) 5) Place remaining friend as squad leader of squad 2 6) All your friends now get your bonuses. The only skill squad leaders need to continue the bonus chain is leadership 5, non squad leaders need no skills trained to receive your bonuses. Hope thats a little more straight forward :) --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Maama	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Kamazani Lets say I have 11 total people in my gang (including me)and I want my guys to have skill bonuses. I have Wing Command 2 (allowing me to run 2 squads) so I must: 1) Create Fleet, move myself to wing command. 2) Create 2 squads. 3) Invite first group of friends. 4) Place 1 of my friends as squad leader of squad 1(he needs leadership 5 to have 10 people in that squad) 5) Place remaining friend as squad leader of squad 2 6) All your friends now get your bonuses. The only skill squad leaders need to continue the bonus chain is leadership 5, non squad leaders need no skills trained to receive your bonuses. Hope thats a little more straight forward :) Even the guy who is a squad leader in a squad by himself needs leadership 5? I thought leadership 1 would do since he only needs to give the bonus to himself, since that is less than 2 people.
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:15:00 - [22] There's a heiarchy that needs to be followed to properly give Leadership bonuses to your Fleet. It's pretty much been stated prior to my post... Each level of Leadership Allows command of a squadron. Increases maximum squadron size by 2 members per skill level, up to a maximum of 10 members. Each level of Wingcommand Allows command of a Wing. Grants the Wing Commander the ability to operate a new Squadron per skill level, up to a maximum of 5 Squadrons. Then of course; Each level of Fleet Command Allows command of a Fleet. Grants the Fleet Commander the ability to command a new Wing per skill level, up to a maximum of 5 Wings. If you are alliance based then you will want to develop Leadership 5 if your Charisma skills permit this. If you're intending to progress towards Command Ships then you should have already developed this. Wing Commander lvl 4 is a sweet spot in relation to time spent developing skills. You're really not needing this since if you had you wouldn't have created this post. What you should need for Commander position; Leadership 5 Wing Command 1; or greater appropriate skills from THIS link to boost your fleet's statistics. p.s. If I inadvertantly linked **** please don't ban me. Perversion:
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Maama Up to 10 people I was able to give bonuses to everyone in my gang, but now that we have 11 people, the squad is only big enough for 10 people, is it possible to arrange gang somehow to give bonuses to more than 10? If so, how do I do it? You can give bonuses to a) yourself b) up to 9 other people in your squad c) up to 9 people in each squad (up to 5) under your wing, when the squad commanders have leadership V, the squad commanders get rewarded for training leadership V by only gaining their own bonuses and not yours (great isn't it) d) up to 9 people in each squad in each of up to 5 wings in your fleet. So it's possible to give a bonus to 225 other people, provided you have 30 other people with the right leadership / wing command skills who only get their own bonuses (and not yours). There's actually no way with 11 people to give your bonus to all 11, you have to choose one that only gets their own bonuses to be squad commander (and that can't be say, a hauler in a mining op, as when they dock the bonuses would turn off for the whole squad). With If you had 20 other people in your squad, you can give bonuses to 18 of them if 2 others have leadership V, and you have at least wing command lvl 2.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Maama Originally by: Kamazani Lets say I have 11 total people in my gang (including me)and I want my guys to have skill bonuses. I have Wing Command 2 (allowing me to run 2 squads) so I must: 1) Create Fleet, move myself to wing command. 2) Create 2 squads. 3) Invite first group of friends. 4) Place 1 of my friends as squad leader of squad 1(he needs leadership 5 to have 10 people in that squad) 5) Place remaining friend as squad leader of squad 2 6) All your friends now get your bonuses. The only skill squad leaders need to continue the bonus chain is leadership 5, non squad leaders need no skills trained to receive your bonuses. Hope thats a little more straight forward :) Even the guy who is a squad leader in a squad by himself needs leadership 5? I thought leadership 1 would do since he only needs to give the bonus to himself, since that is less than 2 people. He only needs leadership 5 to have 10 squadmembers. If he has more squadmembers than his leadership skill allows for all members of that squad will lose their bonus. So if he is alone in his own squad its ok with leadership 1.
Kvirie Caldari Children of the Wind	Posted - 2008.04.16 02:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Tyroid Edited by: Tyroid on 15/04/2008 22:21:31 1) Move yourself to wing command 2) assign a squad command for each of your squads 3) Make sure the squad commander has leadership 5 or they will not receive any bonus Leadership level * 2 = size of squad that gets the bonus. It's not a leadership 5 thing. I started with leadership 1 and mining foreman 4 and i can give me and someone else a mining bonus.
Guillome Renard Gallente Access Services	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:30:00 - [26] Not that I want to throw gas on this fire or anything, but I've been wondering about gang/wing/fleet bonuses for a while. If someone sets up as Wing Commander and has two wings under them with the proper skills as (repeatedly) outlined above, and is set as Wing Booster, everyone (except the gang leaders apparently) gets bonuses from the Wing Booster. If one of the squads also has a command ship and sets it as gang booster, do those bonuses supercede the wing? Do the wing bonuses supercede the gang? Do they stack? -Guillome Renard, ACCS -------------------------------------------------- Rational problem solving since 03/08! Ask me about subcontracted production and hauling!
Akiba Penrose Minmatar PAK	Posted - 2008.04.16 12:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Guillome Renard Not that I want to throw gas on this fire or anything, but I've been wondering about gang/wing/fleet bonuses for a while. If someone sets up as Wing Commander and has two wings under them with the proper skills as (repeatedly) outlined above, and is set as Wing Booster, everyone (except the gang leaders apparently) gets bonuses from the Wing Booster. A Wing Commander can only have squads under him. (a Fleet Commander is commanding wings). Usually the person with the best gang skills is made Squad Commander so that he is boosting himself and the gang. I dont think there is Wing boosters, is there? afaik there is only squad boosters,, Originally by: Guillome Renard If one of the squads also has a command ship and sets it as gang booster, do those bonuses supercede the wing? Do the wing bonuses supercede the gang? Do they stack? If you have 2 of the same command ships in the gang (with same gang modules), one as Wing Commander and one as Squad Commander the squad members will only recive bonuses from the command ship whith best skills (best possible boost). They do not stack. The Wing Commander will only recive bonus from himself (even if the Squad Commander has better skills) as the gang boost only pass downwards in the gang hierarchy. I did not know that Squad Commanders dont recive any bonus from Fleet/Wing Commanders,,, seems only natural to me that they should. And btw,, Does anyone know if it has any practical use at all to set anyone as "scout"?
Gregory TwiLight Inter Stellar Mining Syndicate Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 15:56:00 - [28] Wing and squad commanders receive bonuses from the FC as long as the chain of command is not broken. They pass down looking for the highest lvl in down. so if your FC has 4s in his leaderships skills he gets the 8% bonus but if his wing commander has 5s then he gives 10% down to everyone in his wing, but not the FC.. ISMS is Recruiting
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 16/04/2008 16:26:56 Actually the dev blog associated with the FC change said that the commanders did not get the bonuses, but the Squad mates do... so unless it has been changed on the QT, that's still the case. Dev blog
Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Akiba Penrose And btw,, Does anyone know if it has any practical use at all to set anyone as "scout"? No, it is just a flag on the character -- there are no bonuses or other options available to anyone designated as a scout. Originally by: Gregory TwiLight Wing and squad commanders receive bonuses from the FC as long as the chain of command is not broken. No -- Fleet, Wing and Squad Commanders only receive their own bonuses. The Wing Commander does not get any bonuses from the Fleet Commander and the Squad Commander doesn't get anything from the Fleet or Wing Commanders. I think that is wrong, but its the way it works :s Originally by: Gregory TwiLight as long as the chain of command is not broken. They pass down looking for the highest lvl in down. so if your FC has 4s in his leaderships skills he gets the 8% bonus but if his wing commander has 5s then he gives 10% down to everyone in his wing, but not the FC.. Yup, as long as the chain of command is unbroken the squad members will receive the best of the bonuses from the Fleet, Wing and Squad Commanders. Cheers, Arrs

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