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DeathToKittens Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:52:00 - [1] I can fly a Rapier in 2 days. This is possibly one of the best options to counter nanos. But still..... What about the Dominix? Was thinking neuts and a drone range augmenter in highs. Cap booster in mids, maybe web/scram, something else? Lows heavy armor tank. All T2 tanking skills and Gal BS lvl 4. Drones, now heres where I'm a little lost. Training for T2 Ogers soon got T2 minmatar and gallente med and light drones already. All drone support skills to lvl 4. No sentry drones skills trained. Should I train up senty drones? I heard that they could do well against a nano ship as they don't have to fly to it and can be pulled in at will. How should I fill my drone bay? lots of smalls? small and large? Small, large and sentry? Suggestions? Or am I just off my rocker here? ------------------------------- DTK
motomysz DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:54:00 - [2] Edited by: motomysz on 16/04/2008 16:54:37 dual web(s) (true sansha or domination, 14/15km range) that you can overload, drone navigation computers in your mids, etc. Edit - Warrior IIs are the fastest drones.
xenodia Gallente Mortis Incarnatus	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:26:00 - [3] Originally by: DeathToKittens I can fly a Rapier in 2 days. This is possibly one of the best options to counter nanos. But still..... What about the Dominix? Was thinking neuts and a drone range augmenter in highs. Cap booster in mids, maybe web/scram, something else? Lows heavy armor tank. All T2 tanking skills and Gal BS lvl 4. Drones, now heres where I'm a little lost. Training for T2 Ogers soon got T2 minmatar and gallente med and light drones already. All drone support skills to lvl 4. No sentry drones skills trained. Should I train up senty drones? I heard that they could do well against a nano ship as they don't have to fly to it and can be pulled in at will. How should I fill my drone bay? lots of smalls? small and large? Small, large and sentry? Suggestions? Or am I just off my rocker here? Domi isnt a great choice for fighting nano ships, even with higher skills than you have. They probably wont be able to kill you solo, but you cant kill them either unless they do something dumb, and they can always hold you down till help arrives. The only drones that have any chance of catching a decent nano ship are warrior IIs, and even they wont catch the faster ones. No nano pilot with half a brain will get himself within web range. Sentry drones can pop a nano ship quickly, but only if hes moving with little transversal, and is at decent range. So you can kick out sentries and pop one when hes on his approach or exit if hes dumb enough to do it in a straight line from you. Other than that, your best bet is to dock the domi and change ships.
DeathToKittens Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:26:00 - [4] Of course warriors for smalls. What about sentry drones?
xenodia Gallente Mortis Incarnatus	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:36:00 - [5] Originally by: xenodia The only drones that have any chance of catching a decent nano ship are warrior IIs, and even they wont catch the faster ones. No nano pilot with half a brain will get himself within web range. Sentry drones can pop a nano ship quickly, but only if hes moving with little transversal, and is at decent range. So you can kick out sentries and pop one when hes on his approach or exit if hes dumb enough to do it in a straight line from you. Other than that, your best bet is to dock the domi and change ships. This signature space for rent
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:49:00 - [6] sentries are worthless against nanos, dominix isnt best for that either but if u have to kill that damned fly, warriors II with omni track link and drone nav comp (2 of each, yeah im pervert ) is your best bet. Along with tracking disruptor (tracking script) so your drones wont get killed too fast. Targeting painter sometimes allows your big gun to hit.... do not count on it. Ever. Still a usefull tool. If nano is dumb enough to fly in your neuts range.... well wave it goodbye blast it and move along. All IMO. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:52:00 - [7] Edited by: Chr0nosX on 16/04/2008 18:55:34 If your looking for a bait setup for the odd nano ship. Use Ogre IIs. Neut dominix setup with 3 large neuts. Let him come to 18km. Slap the neuts on him hit mwd and overload web those 5km should go pretty quickly and you should be able to web him. Once hes webbed launch ogre IIs and kill him. Few nanos/ods in lows helps. 3 large neuts will instanuke most hac's cap but sometimes they fit cap boosters so you have to be quick.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:48:00 - [8] Swarms of Warrior IIs, neuts, webs, drones mods.....might...make you almost as effective as a rapier, but really; why bother, just bring a rapier and treat as normal
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:56:00 - [9] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 16/04/2008 20:57:41 I'd wait for him to steady near you, either slowing down, or orbit, w-e. Then I'd nuke its cap with 2-3 neut and stagger the rest. At the same time i'd pop out a wing of webber drones. All at the same time approach him with mwd full blast. If you can manage to hit him with your webs (dual webs would be good), hes screwed. Pull back web drones and finish him with w-e dmg drones. I wouldnt go too heavy on the tank, skip plates and armor rigs, imo. Edit : Training typing skills lvl 1
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:03:00 - [10] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: DeathToKittens I can fly a Rapier in 2 days. This is possibly one of the best options to counter nanos. But still..... What about the Dominix? Was thinking neuts and a drone range augmenter in highs. Cap booster in mids, maybe web/scram, something else? Lows heavy armor tank. All T2 tanking skills and Gal BS lvl 4. Drones, now heres where I'm a little lost. Training for T2 Ogers soon got T2 minmatar and gallente med and light drones already. All drone support skills to lvl 4. No sentry drones skills trained. Should I train up senty drones? I heard that they could do well against a nano ship as they don't have to fly to it and can be pulled in at will. How should I fill my drone bay? lots of smalls? small and large? Small, large and sentry? Suggestions? Or am I just off my rocker here? Domi isnt a great choice for fighting nano ships, even with higher skills than you have. They probably wont be able to kill you solo, but you cant kill them either unless they do something dumb, and they can always hold you down till help arrives. The only drones that have any chance of catching a decent nano ship are warrior IIs, and even they wont catch the faster ones. No nano pilot with half a brain will get himself within web range. Sentry drones can pop a nano ship quickly, but only if hes moving with little transversal, and is at decent range. So you can kick out sentries and pop one when hes on his approach or exit if hes dumb enough to do it in a straight line from you. Other than that, your best bet is to dock the domi and change ships. He mentioned Heavy Nuets. Most nano ships cannot warp scram outside of heavy neut range.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:34:00 - [11] A Vaga, unless super pimped, isn't out running Warrior IIs with a drone nav link behind it. Another evil thing to do to ammar/minni nano hacs is to employ racial ECM against them. A major weak point of ammar and minmatar ships is overall weak sensor strength. Exploit that.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:05:00 - [12] Well, if you're going to use sentries, you'll want to stay as far away from the fight as possible - 100km+ so that they can hit before the nano ships can close. You need a dedicated setup for that, so you'd need to lose the neuts and let the rest of the gang do the tackling.
Danari Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Danari on 16/04/2008 22:45:22 I doubt a recon/hac pilot will take on a domi pilot of any credibility solo. I've seen some of the nastier domi pilots fight off gangs of five rather easily. But if you park one in a belt and make it believable, you could spring a nasty surprise. Fit a mwd, a couple neuts, a cap booster, a few sets of drones. Maybe one of those nasty structure mods that domis used to use, if they haven't been nerfed. When he takes you on, tank him but don't align. Put a set of t1 heavy drones on him but otherwise give him the "deer in the headlights" look. The drones (in addition to his directional scanner which he's spamming the whole time) will help to keep his attention and slow his response. When his orbit has stabilized, pull your drones, hit your mwd, approach him, neut him to hell, and scram him while you send some hammerhead IIs at him. With an overloaded web you have a good chance of sucking him in. Or you could have a m8 tank up a bs and park it in a belt while you sit there cloaked in a rapier.
Chi Quan Perkone	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Haradgrim Swarms of Warrior IIs, neuts, webs, drones mods.....might...make you almost as effective as a rapier, but really; why bother, just bring a rapier and treat as normal why no rapier? 'cause i cant fly it
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 23:55:00 - [15] IMO, the Domi should make a fairly decent anti-nano platform. You can tank the poo out of it, remote rep with it, or run neuts. Check out the cap size on most nano ships some time, and you'll find that 2 neuts cap most out, and a third def will. No cap = no MWD = No Range Control = Webbed = Dead. -Liang
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire	Posted - 2008.04.17 00:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Liang Nuren IMO, the Domi should make a fairly decent anti-nano platform. You can tank the poo out of it, remote rep with it, or run neuts. Check out the cap size on most nano ships some time, and you'll find that 2 neuts cap most out, and a third def will. No cap = no MWD = No Range Control = Webbed = Dead. -Liang this the only drawback i find is that warrior II's will move fairly quickly....till they reach their target. at which point they'll slow down to shoot, so you're really not getting that much dps in when you factor in the fact that they get a volley off and spend the next 3-4 seconds catching up to fire another
Droneo Queen Gallente Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.04.17 00:31:00 - [17] Yeah, Domi got 1. Large neuts 2. t2 warriors 3. 1 slot for ecm 4. a tank cannot be broken by one nanoship
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.17 00:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Droneo Queen Yeah, Domi got 1. Large neuts 2. t2 warriors 3. 1 slot for eccm 4. a tank cannot be broken by one nanoship Fixed it for you. ;-) -Liang
Droneo Queen Gallente Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.04.17 00:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Droneo Queen Yeah, Domi got 1. Large neuts 2. t2 warriors 3. 1 slot for eccm 4. a tank cannot be broken by one nanoship Fixed it for you. ;-) -Liang does eccm have a greater range than web?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.17 00:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Droneo Queen does eccm have a greater range than web? WTF? Were you referring to a web as ECM? The ECCM lets you actually target and make sure your enemy isn't getting away. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire	Posted - 2008.04.17 01:16:00 - [21] points at noob mercs tag
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.17 01:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Hardtail points at noob mercs tag Yeah, I saw that after I posted, but didn't bother to edit the post. I think I remember them from C&P last time I browsed it, and they were pretty cool. -Liang
Arvald Caldari Xtreme1911 Corp Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.17 03:10:00 - [23] 2 25km neuts, 100mn mwd, dual web, ogres, that is all
Droneo Queen Gallente Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.04.17 10:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Droneo Queen on 17/04/2008 11:01:16 meh, i have always thought eccm is the ecm burst module due to i have never used them.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:16:00 - [25] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/04/2008 11:21:22 Well, we did use a semi-nanoed neut domi with web drones and drone nav computers to catch a nano-Sleipnir once. He didn't see that coming, and as a bonus we ganked a nano-Huggin which warped in neut range of the Dominix thinking he'll do something to save the Sleipnir, he just got instant-capdeath, a bunch of very fast webber drones on him + jamming from a Falcon + a heating Hurricane on top of him... poof Anyway, neuts work quite well, given you can insta-zap someone's cap (which is why half of them won't even come to 24km off you) and have some tacklers. Just a word of advice: don't immediately fire off neuts / release web drones / etc. It scares them off in the initial phase of the fight... you want him to settle in a nice orbit after he sees you're harmless. The last Vagabond I killed I just sat there tanked a bit in my Cane until he relaxed, firing one gun and HAMs just to make a show - if I had fired on him with all the guns and released Warrior IIs, I'd force him to go to 20+km to mitigate my damage enough for a 2x LSE II tank to whitstand it... this way he came to 13km to break me (he can't really do it at range unless he wants to spend about 4-5K of Barrage M until I run out of cap boosters). Heat web, heat MWD, ka-boom Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/04/2008 11:21:22 Well, we did use a semi-nanoed neut domi with web drones and drone nav computers to catch a nano-Sleipnir once. He didn't see that coming, and as a bonus we ganked a nano-Huggin which warped in neut range of the Dominix thinking he'll do something to save the Sleipnir, he just got instant-capdeath, a bunch of very fast webber drones on him + jamming from a Falcon + a heating Hurricane on top of him... poof Anyway, neuts work quite well, given you can insta-zap someone's cap (which is why half of them won't even come to 24km off you) and have some tacklers. Just a word of advice: don't immediately fire off neuts / release web drones / etc. It scares them off in the initial phase of the fight... you want him to settle in a nice orbit after he sees you're harmless. The last Vagabond I killed I just sat there tanked a bit in my Cane until he relaxed, firing one gun and HAMs just to make a show - if I had fired on him with all the guns and released Warrior IIs, I'd force him to go to 20+km to mitigate my damage enough for a 2x LSE II tank to whitstand it... this way he came to 13km to break me (he can't really do it at range unless he wants to spend about 4-5K of Barrage M until I run out of cap boosters). Heat web, heat MWD, ka-boom thats a stupid vaga -_-' he can look at your ships turret slots and realize " hey, he's only firing 2 guns at me, maybe its a tarp! "
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Hardtail thats a stupid vaga -_-' he can look at your ships turret slots and realize " hey, he's only firing 2 guns at me, maybe its a tarp! " Ahaha, yeah but you have to realise that Vagabond pilots have lots of things to worry about anyway, doing a 'look at' is too risky - if he bumps off on the gate or a asteroid he dies However, he is stupid because, well, trying to save 3-4K of Barrage isn't worth risking your ship like that, nomatter how it looks like. A (almost) year old player flying a BC and -10 at the same time should probably give you a clue that he knows what to do with it, and Tier 2 BCs you should be wary of in general in a nanoship. The thing with the Dominix, even if it's not a specific setup but a cookie-cutter dual neut one, he can kill a Vagabond easy once the Vagabond pilot decides to stop MWD-ing (which he must, he's not cap stable, and doesn't do DPS at the range) and get in 17-18km range where his DPS isn't worthless... if you zap his cap at this range and MWD off (and he must shut it doen eventually) - he's not reactivating it anymore, and his 500 m/s most likely won't be enough to take him out of your range once you MWD towards him even with the Dominix's slow acceleration (although, a istab+nano would greatly help your chances of catching him at this point, Dominixes accelerate like fat cows). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
sliver 0xD exiles.	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:17:00 - [28] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2008 12:18:58 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2008 12:17:48 there is no stopping a nano's they will enter and leave your 25km neut range. never lose the exit plan. You can not kill a ship that doest not want to risk to get killed. thats like saying you want to kill carebears in highsec. i wish you good luck with the rapier, if you start fighting a nano gang. you will find out that you will die first :) --- Somebody needs a hug!
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:37:00 - [29] Originally by: sliver 0xD they will enter and leave your 25km neut range. never lose the exit plan. You can not kill a ship that doest not want to risk to get killed. Once it starts actually engaging, yes you can kill it. If you fail, this is your problem. You can't really catch nanoships at gates and stuff, because running is what they really really excel at. Originally by: silver noob i wish you good luck with the rapier, if you start fighting a nano gang. I really wish you good luck in any solo ship vs a gang. Durrrr Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:28:00 - [30] Originally by: sliver 0xD Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2008 12:18:58 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/04/2008 12:17:48 there is no stopping a nano's they will enter and leave your 25km neut range. never lose the exit plan. You can not kill a ship that doest not want to risk to get killed. thats like saying you want to kill carebears in highsec. i wish you good luck with the rapier, if you start fighting a nano gang. you will find out that you will die first :) Many a killboard disagrees with your assessment of the situation. Maybe you should learn to fight them - indeed, take some of the suggestions from the thread? ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO

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