i was in a corp with a botter. he talked about it in corp all the time, so i told ccp. what happened? nothing. he is still botting with his chars. i quit this corp cause didnt wanted to have something to do with it. i just read several different "standard" eve forums and in 2 of them ppl openly said that they r botting and everyone who is not is stupid. that happens again and again.
i dont see ccp doing anything about it. and that just suck...

And I watched a crapload of botters get banned yesterday so anecdotal evidence isn't really a game changer in this discussion.

i was in a corp with a botter. he talked about it in corp all the time, so i told ccp. what happened? nothing. he is still botting with his chars. i quit this corp cause didnt wanted to have something to do with it. i just read several different "standard" eve forums and in 2 of them ppl openly said that they r botting and everyone who is not is stupid. that happens again and again.
i dont see ccp doing anything about it. and that just suck...

i havent expected more from a goon.

last years ccp always wrote a nice article about it, when they banned a lot of accounts. they stopped doing anything or talking aout it. for the casuall user its the same. he have not seen anything ccp is doing about it.

Really now, I was engaging with you on an honest level and you're going to go the 'I EXPECTED AS MUCH FROM A GOON' path?

Good luck with your issue friend.

Hi there,

i have read a lot of CSM applications in the last year and i never found one guy stnding up against CCP and their way of dealing with bots.
i mean. CCP obviously tolerate bots since they stop doing stuff against them.
i also understand why CSM member dont want to talk about it with ccp. they would loose 50% of their voters instantly. but why dont we legalice it then? i mean. every mayor alliance do it. a lot of single players do it, too. ccp is ok with that. so y not allowe it for everyone?

/edit. i am pretty sure ever CSM meber what try to support it will win!

I've gone on the record that I think CCP needs to get more serious about stopping bots.

I've gone on the record that I think CCP needs to get more serious about stopping bots. But I'd say this, either CCP needs to step up their effort or just make them legal!

Let me help out since I know what the other side of this conversation looks like.

Every CSM is against botting, every single one. That aside our ability to get information on techniques and procedures being used by CCP to combat botting is very limited (as it should be honestly) and our ability to convey that botting is a serious game breaking issue that has ruined the economy and contributed to out of control mudflation has been used to its fullest extent. CCP gets it, they do, the CSM can't yell about it any louder.

So you accuse CCP of not doing enough about bots and then say since they're failing to stop the problem CCP should "just make them legal" ? You wanna rephrase that maybe ?

basically "CCP doesn't have a magic wand to ban all the bots at once so they might as well just allow it"

a lot of legit players (including me) are not lookin into bo forums. y ccp is not talking about it when they success to get some of them? they dont need to talk about the how, but if they dont talk about it no normal player see that they do anything!

Because hundreds of people are banned everyday by CCP, everytime they get banned they just make a new account and start over, that is how bots work and before you suggest IP banning the botters, that won't work, since 90% of them are using IP masks and connecting over some other poor fellows IP address, you ban they IP they proxy onto a new one, and keep doing that.

This is my take on things, and as members of the CSM cannot say, I will say what I believe to be the issue given what knowledge I have from other games and law. Because of the nature of EVE's subscription you are paying real money for a service, as such there are certain laws that CCP have to follow to avoid being sued by a player.

If CCP where to just ban a player on a whim or because "they might have been botting" they could end up in some very difficult legal territory with people that where unfairly banned wanting some kind of reimbursement,

basically "CCP doesn't have a magic wand to ban all the bots at once so they might as well just allow it"

(I know, players will abuse it - which is BS because its worked in other games). CCP also seems to ignore all the Jita bots and macro users, because the same ones are there day in and day out.

What do YOU think is happening?

Let me help out since I know what the other side of this conversation looks like.

Every CSM is against botting, every single one. That aside our ability to get information on techniques and procedures being used by CCP to combat botting is very limited (as it should be honestly) and our ability to convey that botting is a serious game breaking issue that has ruined the economy and contributed to out of control mudflation has been used to its fullest extent. CCP gets it, they do, the CSM can't yell about it any louder.

Well the while metagame pvp is a lot stronger here than in quite a few games.

Catching a titan pilot (via his ~elite pve~ highsec mission runner) would be very nice catch for an alliance.

Just because the developers aren't making a nice graph for you every week doesn't mean CCP isn't constantly working against bots. To think that they're ignoring the issue is extremely naive and short sighted.