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selym nos
House Harkonnen.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:04:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:It's easier for them to say "We're constantly working to stop bots", than give you pamphlets every week.Why should you know how many players were banned? How does this information effect you? it effects me that i feel more secure about this topic. the only thing i was reading about is that they will do something (soon tm). or they plan to do something. nothing about we have ban a lot of ppl. thats the diffference for ppl like me.
and how i said before: not weekly, but at least from time to time
Prometheus Exenthal wrote:We know it's being worked on around the clock, so why should they take their time out of bot-fighting to appease you with information that is of minimal relevance to you. minimal relevance to me? how do you know? u dont know me and can surely dont know what kind of information bothers me and which not. for me this matter is VERY important cause i am constantly thinking about quitting this game, when i see another bot around...
Prometheus Exenthal wrote:Agreed, some public information would be nice, perhaps a yearly account, but the less information CCP shows, the better. People don't typically publicize a running tally of the number of deaths during a war, it's really only at the end where those numbers are revealed. this is maybe the dif between our countries. in germany you always get informed, when a german soldier dies somewhere in the world. "power to the people", free presss, thats what is very important for us. we live in a democracy and how should ppl descide, if we dont get all information we need to descide on our own? information hiding means paternalism. and in my opinion i am old enough to make my own descisions
Delici Feelgood wrote:Relevant recent blog of interest.
Thx Delici. i dont know y such a blog appears now. but i like i. its the step in the right direction |
Nina Lowel
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:03:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Check the Neutron Blaster Cannon II market in Jita. You will see that they are still going strong.
Thanks. |
asidburn Enaka
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing
BROTHERHOOD OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2012.03.08 08:43:00 -
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i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do
Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there
Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat
asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation.
Darius III > Thanks man
Darius III > that concludes our business
Darius III > Fly safe
asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract
asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people
asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be
asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you
asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture
Darius III > Have them vote against me
Darius III > Sorry for the ssam
Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM
asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons
Darius III > not really
Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter
Darius III > nothing can stop them
Darius III > and thats a real shame
asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes
asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243
Darius III > Didnt have them anyway
Darius III > didnt lose anything
Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign
asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get
asidburn Enaka > too late
asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv
asidburn Enaka > so i can post
Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it
Darius III > You too lazy anyway
Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about
asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time
Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL
rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for the |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Molden Heath Angels
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:28:00 -
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they're sure banning and fighting bots that's not real issue.
it's more pressing issue that current game mechanics and all that stuff makes botting preferrable course of action since game mechanics are based on repeating same actions with no real risk of getting whacked by npcs etc. or doing more complex stuff like analyzing asteroids and probing etc.. The way mining currently works is just botting friendly and brainkilling.
soon we'll see a ton of bots running even incursions/wormholes if nothing is done to make npc AI more intelligent and "dungeons" (lawd) less repeating. |
LXTC-S Predator
Cult of the Black Goat
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.03.09 01:04:00 -
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I think if you actually read the anti-botting devblog you would see that throug the changes within ccp it took a while to recreate the antibot division. Now that they are settled they start again. Also and this is to the players: Go out into the far regions of 0.0 with a few SBs and go hunt bots, its lucrative for the players, a lot of fun if done right, and a small group of 3-4 people is enough to stop bot users from logging on their bots in an entire constellation as can be seen for example in JonnyPews videoblog on eve, episodes 45 and following: http://www.youtube.com/user/JonnyPew?feature=watch
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selym nos
House Harkonnen.
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Posted - 2012.03.09 08:33:00 -
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@predator: the problem is: the bots r in the empire! bots like "questor" r all around ... |
Pent'nor
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Posted - 2012.03.11 06:38:00 -
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From what I see, the main method of stopping bots is having a ccp investigate each bot one case at a time and having the community report them. I personally think if a bot case ever comes to the eyes of ccp, then they have already failed in handeling the bot issue. I liked systems suchas xtrap, where a launch program actively scans memory and other things, in search of botting programs. while these systems have their own issues, it is atleast a way to stop a botting program before it is ever used ingame. I'm not saying that we must use a system like xtrap, however, a different approach in stopping botters is needed. An approach that uses a broad stroke instead of a fine brush. |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.03.11 06:46:00 -
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Burn the bots baby! BURN!
Don't go half way, either fix it or institutionalize it. This half in and half out doesn't satisfy or get anyone preggers. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.11 07:50:00 -
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Ok for once strangely for me I'm not going to slag off one particular group. Personally I find it disheartening that anyone would attack anyone else over this issue. Botting is a more serious problem to this game than any other. It effects everyone.
CCP Screegs said "I do need to add to that the fact that these things were turned off for a period of time. As you are all aware the company has gone through a lot of changes in the recent months. Because of this there was a period of time where nobody had responsibility for handling the technology responsible for nuking botters. As of now there is a formal team on the EVE project devoted entirely to security, of which I am the product owner which is a fancy word for manager. This means that we've now thrown the switch again and turned on the catching bad guys machine because we own it and we don't like cheaters."
Now like last year we just went through a period where between 1000-2000 bots got axed this is excellent. What I was wondering and tell me to put my till foil hat back on if need be, but would it be hard to implement a system that disconnects us miners for inactivity. As a back up system while they search for botters or if they have more changes at CCP.
For instance after we have been mining for say 2 hours including going back and forward to the station. Possibly changing ships a few times(Just thinking about what a bot programmer might think of) and still mining above 65% of what we are capable of. We are then given a pop-up message with one of those funny squiggly sets of text like hotmail and everyone uses to prevent bots. If we don't complete it in say 20 minutes (Allowing for the afk nature of some miners) we are logged off as inactive.
Is this doable or do I go back to my tin foil hat? the best ones come from pizza boxes(Free cheese). |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:15:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: What I was wondering and tell me to put my till foil hat back on if need be, but would it be hard to implement a system that disconnects us miners for inactivity. As a back up system while they search for botters or if they have more changes at CCP.
For instance after we have been mining for say 2 hours including going back and forward to the station. Possibly changing ships a few times(Just thinking about what a bot programmer might think of) and still mining above 65% of what we are capable of. We are then given a pop-up message with one of those funny squiggly sets of text like hotmail and everyone uses to prevent bots. If we don't complete it in say 20 minutes (Allowing for the afk nature of some miners) we are logged off as inactive.
Is this doable or do I go back to my tin foil hat? the best ones come from pizza boxes(Free cheese).
It is "doable", but it's also an inconvenience and horrible immersion-breaker for legitimate miners who have to type codewords into a box every 20 minutes to keep their mining op going, and since there are bots available that can read and break captcha systems it wouldn't even be effective once botting programs were updated to counter them.
The reason mining is so heavily botted is that it's a repetitive, tedious, and relatively low-reward activity. Changing that would be a positive move both for combating botting and improving the experience of the real human beings who want to mine.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Skye Aurorae
No Bull Ships
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Posted - 2012.03.11 17:19:00 -
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PsychoBitch wrote:Burn the bots baby! BURN!
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Perhaps you should tell this to the spambots advertsing your candidacy 23/7 in Jita.
Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM!
Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so..
Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7
An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys.
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=458 |
Greyhound Slarkson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.11 17:50:00 -
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Those are not spam bots Oo we work very hard to keep people in Jita who support PsychoBitch |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.11 22:01:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Frying Doom wrote: What I was wondering and tell me to put my till foil hat back on if need be, but would it be hard to implement a system that disconnects us miners for inactivity. As a back up system while they search for botters or if they have more changes at CCP.
For instance after we have been mining for say 2 hours including going back and forward to the station. Possibly changing ships a few times(Just thinking about what a bot programmer might think of) and still mining above 65% of what we are capable of. We are then given a pop-up message with one of those funny squiggly sets of text like hotmail and everyone uses to prevent bots. If we don't complete it in say 20 minutes (Allowing for the afk nature of some miners) we are logged off as inactive.
Is this doable or do I go back to my tin foil hat? the best ones come from pizza boxes(Free cheese). It is "doable", but it's also an inconvenience and horrible immersion-breaker for legitimate miners who have to type codewords into a box every 20 minutes to keep their mining op going, and since there are bots available that can read and break captcha systems it wouldn't even be effective once botting programs were updated to counter them. The reason mining is so heavily botted is that it's a repetitive, tedious, and relatively low-reward activity. Changing that would be a positive move both for combating botting and improving the experience of the real human beings who want to mine.
Yeah really, another horrible idea - just what's needed.
CCP has a way of detecting botters and we can easily see them in local in empire when they are around.
Use the button - Report them!
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