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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.18 19:19:00 -
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IF YOU'RE A CEO, DON'T READ THIS POST
You can also eve-mail the CEO of the target corp, and tell him there is a GHSC operative in his corp. You don't know who is it, but most likely it's someone who was there for 6+ months and is one of the top members. Imagine the panic and the cleansing of the ranks that will follow mwhahahahahahaah :P |
Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.18 20:18:00 -
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For those who disagree with the original post - well I disagree that you disagree :D
Spies are everywhere, but may be less a issue for smaller low profile groups - but can be a big deal in large groups, and they are very widespread. Most major alliances, including Goonswarm, and even BoB, make extensive use of spy chains.
If you didn't know about that you should just leave this thread now before making a troll comment because your ignorance is throbbing.
The issue with security officers (and I have been one before) is that it's like any other system - you cannot be 100% efficient. It also becomes increasingly difficult to keep spies out, no matter what methods you may take to keep them out, if your corporation or alliance is being literally bombarded with infiltration attempts. At least one spy will get through.
So what do you do?
We'll if they make there way in you take the secondary measure - you monitor them. Just keep a eye on them, in the least keep them from making a move which could potentially hurt your corporation or allinace. If you have teh power, remove them before they can attempt any sabatoge.
You need to be incredibly fair with everything and be incredibly thorough with investigations however - otherwise your 'security' will more-so divide corporation members because everyones so uptight about spies and fingers being pointed.
I did more than security however, I actually did some espionage myself. There is 3 types of spies in my book: Saboteurs, Corruptors, and Moles.
Saboteurs will infiltrate and then gain measures or take measures to sabotage and hopefully severely hurt the target group. One of the most common forms of damage done by Saboteurs is ISK/asset theft, or in rare occasions actually shutting POS's down and dismantling defenses. I personally have pulled this off on a enemy corporation before in a war and we pretty much crippled them - we eliminated half of there assets, and defected several of there members to our side as well. These are specialized agents you could say and are not often used - they are the least used agent form overall most likely.
Corruptors incite rabble-rousing, cause discontent, and fights - literally these agents divide and break up the target, or at least cause disarray and failure of communications. This is not easy to do though and only corporations with weak or absent leadership are truly vulnerable to this attack. Corruptors will use any means to achieve this goal, wither their attempts are out of cold-blood or they actually have some justified meaning. Corruptors are probably the second most used agent involved in major alliance spy-chains.
Moles are just information agents. We keep a low profile and make sure our target is completely unaware of our true intentions. These are the most hard to route out and long-term spies that will slowly feed information to enemies. Moles probably the majority spy involved in major alliance spy-chains. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.18 20:42:00 -
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You could also join an alliance with your own titan, then DD their fleet and leave. :P
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PMBhauler
Pod Me Beautiful
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Posted - 2008.04.18 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: PMBhauler on 18/04/2008 21:10:55
A couple more things to think about doing
When you have their temp api key and identify their alts.
-Do a search for character name on Eve-O / Scrapheap. View their posting habits and see if a particular alt writes alt posts in suport of one of your enemies.
Look up each alt in http://eve-kb.com/index.php. View past kills and losses and location. Alot of spy alts have been used as either cynos or noob scouts in enemy territories.
Just a couple thoughts
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Zephyr Rengate
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.18 22:35:00 -
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Best way is to ask if they are a spy. Generally EvE players are honest people at heart and they will answer truthfully.
 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I habe no life. 
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Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.04.19 00:01:00 -
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This is how you do it.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.04.19 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Volarius
I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do?
wth?!!! what am i paying u for v0l? vette kip. Back to ghsc and kuguts school of 733t spying Mister. 
The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
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Jim Linger
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.19 01:41:00 -
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I would just like to point out that I had 2 spies with < 1mil sp in wasteland during the war where 2 small corps completely obliterated them and forced them to disband, and they generally had no idea what was going on. I guess CCP likes supporting small corps regardless of the actual story.
I would like to make two points:
1. API KEY API KEY API KEY
2. If said spy is a paid for account, you are defenseless (assuming you recruit publicly)
i'm not an alt i just post like one |
Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.19 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Best way is to ask if they are a spy. Generally EvE players are honest people at heart and they will answer truthfully.
Right - I'll believe that statement when you give me 1 billion ISK. I promise I'll give you 2 billion back - as a act of good will.
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"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the |
Xaldor
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.19 04:42:00 -
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I don't think the API info will do any good, anyone who is an active/effective spy will probably have an account dedicated to it.
There is nothing wrong with recruiting during war-time, it comes down to the flow of information. You need a chain of command that you are comfortable with, that you can trust and the flow of information has to be on a need-to-know basis. If someone new to the corp/alliance is getting hold of sensitive information or has access to anything then you have bigger issues.
I think the large majority of spies are those that have had a falling out with their corp/alliance and like a jilted lover they know how to hurt you better than any newcomer that comes along.
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Itzena
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.19 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonora
:words:
It's you. You're the spy in the OP.
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SinBin
Gallente
HARDC0RE
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Posted - 2008.04.19 20:03:00 -
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Asking for login names is aginst the EULA & giving yours out also could cost you if you was later hacked & found to have given out your login, something a mod might wanna have said early on maybe.
EVEĢ Online
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
B. Passwords and Names
You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.04.19 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
Asking for login names is aginst the EULA & giving yours out also could cost you if you was later hacked & found to have given out your login, something a mod might wanna have said early on maybe.
EVEĢ Online
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
B. Passwords and Names
You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else.
More ppl who dont understand how API works, its "Facts -> post opinion" not "OMG -> Post wild claims that are 99.9% always wrong"
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.20 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 20/04/2008 00:59:36
Here's a completely failproof method how to keep spies out of your corp:
DO NOT recruit anyone into your corp, EVER! Mwhahahahaha
Unless you're a spy and you made that corp to spy on yourself..........
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Rellana
DAB
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:10:00 -
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Ask goonies about their experiences with spies,since one managed to get pos passwords,and then a BOB Titan DD them in said pos.
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UneFraiseDansUneChaise
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rellana
Ask goonies about their experiences with spies,since one managed to get pos passwords,and then a BOB Titan DD them in said pos.
fyi this has happened to BoB as well
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Mara Devortex
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Posted - 2008.05.03 04:29:00 -
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ok as CEO of a small corp my question to the big giant 0.0 alliances regarding spying on other alliances etc. etc. is how far is too far? Do you advocate or to;erate attacks on another Alliances forums..ive heard of this happening and it realy concerns me. |
Hera Vertigo
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Posted - 2008.06.06 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 06/06/2008 19:46:59
Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 06/06/2008 19:46:30
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia
Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 18/04/2008 07:45:53
Originally by: Dragonora
-ask for their API Key/user ID and use Evemon to check it and the other accounts. most of the time they will have a alt account to keep them form being noticed, and the Key can be changed after you check it.
-ask for all API Keys and User IDs and check them. bingo you got the intell you need.
I disagree with the whole post, I don't think anything you have suggested is helpful and can even put people in the hands of scammers.
1. NEVER EVER give your API out to anyone you don't know. Just because someone starts a corporation does not mean the have been blessed with special powers, or are actual authority figures. Some corps have been started with the sole purpose of scamming thier members.
2. NEVER EVER give your account name to anyone, ever. Its almost as bad as giving out your password. Once someone has you account name, they are 50% of the way to accessing your account.
A real spy would never allow themselves to get caught with any of the ways that have been suggested. Even the OP suggest that a spy would have an alternative account. Fact is if people want to spy on you, they will and theres not much you can do about it besides limiting access of information to new members. You can ofcourse set traps to catch spies, but who'd bother.
Dude, get your facts straight. Releasing a limited API key is harmless and safe and secure. It does not have any account login details or your EVE ONLINE account username or passwords..
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DHB FooFighter
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.06 20:08:00 -
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Due to game mechanics it is a lot easier to deal with spies by putting your own spy into play. This way you know what your enemy knows about you and therefore the spies are canceled and we go back to square 1. This ofc only works if the information is equal which sometimes is hard to do.
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Zeitgueist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.06 20:25:00 -
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Characters with no corp or alliance tag showing cannot post in CAOD. The OP has no tag showing. A mod moved this post to CAOD. MOD CORRUPTION!
I will not allow this injustice to stand.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rellana
Ask goonies about their experiences with spies,since one managed to get pos passwords,and then a BOB Titan DD them in said pos.
This is fairly easy to circumvent, and yes we did it to BoB in return (we've also been doing it to SMASH more recently).
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Elphy
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:22:00 -
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How to find Spies:
1. Place a sentry
2. Wait for Spy to sap said sentry
3. Have a friendly Pyro burn Spy
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spanky herman
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:44:00 -
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I always try going to a bakery or a restaurant with a pie case, Oh my mistake this is about spies not pies.
Then I'll just keep my request for blueberry with vanilla ice cream to myself.
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Stinkywrix
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:35:00 -
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it's me im the spy in the OP
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Stinkywrix
it's me im the spy in the OP
removing roles
Join THE INTERNET. today |
E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.07 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: E Vile on 07/06/2008 02:28:52
This thread shouldn't have been moved it should have been locked. Don't EVER give your API and user account ID. CAN A DEV/MOD PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS.
Don't ever give your account info not matter what people say about it being safe. I don't care what excuse you give for it not being a threat. It is one step closer to stealing a account.
Just a setup for abusers and in NO way would root out spies.
Even the wallet screenshot in itself is useless. You can easily take the menu and click on player donations with it being blank. What you need to do to HELP insure this being accurate is send the player 1 isk so you can see for sure it's showing the correct list.
For your info most spies will be longstanding members you trust that get payed a ****load of isk. The ONLY way to fullproof deal with spies is keeping troops on a need to know bases. Example-When we DD the Goon gatecamp recently, not even our own fleet knew what was about to happen. They were just told to get out. Only top leadership knew what was planned.
Ration your important intel so if it leaks you know EXACTLY where it came from. What I mean by this is when you tell someone a fact put a detail on it in a different way for the different members you tell.
Always assume you have spies, but don't get over paranoid. Spies damage can be limited to a great degree, or even used to your advantage.
Never EVER give your API and user ID. Again I ask if a mod or dev can comment on this.
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Opertone
SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 02:55:00 -
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how to root out the spies
don't build megacorps...
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.07 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile
Edited by: E Vile on 07/06/2008 02:28:52
This thread shouldn't have been moved it should have been locked. Don't EVER give your API and user account ID. CAN A DEV/MOD PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS.
You cant log into the game with an API key.
userid != username
apikey != password.
As long as you keep your username and password a secret you are fine, that information is not stored in the API at all. The worst thing they can find out is your character names and sift through your character skills and market transactions.
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