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Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.17 22:01:00 - [1] Everyday a Alliance or Corporation is open for attack based on stealing intell or Equipment , who to trust is what you know. A Anti-Spy requires some walls you must keep up. Many should know this, but to keep those that don't know how to keep spies out. Since that W A S T E L A N D [WASTE] made it noticeable that they can spy, but how well? there is too many ways to keep them out. Large alliances with many Corporations should understand that one can messup a hole Corporation or Alliance into changing their ways if they learn they are being spied on. When Recruiting you ALWAYS, yes ALWAYS do these things: -Never Spam, get those that are looking a corporation when they ask it in recruitment chat. Never accept people that send in random -ask for their API Key/user ID and use Evemon to check it and the other accounts. most of the time they will have a alt account to keep them form being noticed, and the Key can be changed after you check it. -Check the time of the character and Quiz them, ask them questions, if they act odd or too smart, that gives them away. -Never Recruit during War unless its completely unnoticed who is recruiting When Recruiting Corps you always do the following: -make sure you ask about their activity, make sure they are telling the turth and make sure what their alliance history and ceo's history. if you see red lines being passed, deny them -if they promise too much, act like they can do alot and have only a few members they are not a real corp -ask for all API Keys and User IDs and check them. bingo you got the intell you need. For current members: -make sure they are them, and not some random alt, make sure they use voice or other communication. -keep them form recruiting others unless they know how to recruit. -during war, make sure all your members are not saying stuff, make sure that you have a close friend or alt is in the corp or alliance and feed you info to find out that if someone is going to be a spy or a traitor. - ask for the their info asap nomorelies is just getting a big head doing this and spies them selfs have a limit. Patch your Holes and keep it secure. make sure to do the following and keep spies out and members in.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:03:00 - [2] Moved to CAOD.

Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:04:00 - [3] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD. Thats a first...
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:09:00 - [4] Wonder if he'll lock it for not having ticker showing now. Beets, you're among friends.
Noshi Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:19:00 - [5] LOL @ Navigator for moving a newbie post. /noshi
gamarus D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Noshi LOL @ Navigator for moving a newbie post. Not to point fingers, but it was CCP Mitnal that moved it
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:36:00 - [7] I think I've circumvented every one of those precautions, or known others who have. You can't keep spies out of your corp if you recruit, period, but you can keep them out of your head. Most of the damage spies do is psychological and the rest is trivial to any good corp. If you're smart, you'll realize it works both ways even if you don't bother with spying. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.04.18 01:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Dapanman1 Wonder if he'll lock it for not having ticker showing now. But it was moved by a GM, though its true; no ticker, but GM.....No ticker....but....3.....2......1.......world over. -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:46:00 - [9] Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 18/04/2008 07:45:53 Originally by: Dragonora -ask for their API Key/user ID and use Evemon to check it and the other accounts. most of the time they will have a alt account to keep them form being noticed, and the Key can be changed after you check it. -ask for all API Keys and User IDs and check them. bingo you got the intell you need. I disagree with the whole post, I don't think anything you have suggested is helpful and can even put people in the hands of scammers. 1. NEVER EVER give your API out to anyone you don't know. Just because someone starts a corporation does not mean the have been blessed with special powers, or are actual authority figures. Some corps have been started with the sole purpose of scamming thier members. 2. NEVER EVER give your account name to anyone, ever. Its almost as bad as giving out your password. Once someone has you account name, they are 50% of the way to accessing your account. A real spy would never allow themselves to get caught with any of the ways that have been suggested. Even the OP suggest that a spy would have an alternative account. Fact is if people want to spy on you, they will and theres not much you can do about it besides limiting access of information to new members. You can ofcourse set traps to catch spies, but who'd bother.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:52:00 - [10] You can bribe existing members of the corporation (who are 100% not spies, as verified by their leadership) to spy for you. Mwhahahahaah
achoura	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:53:00 - [11] Edited by: achoura on 18/04/2008 07:53:04 . *The EVE servers and their patches*
Vecila Live and Learn Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:54:00 - [12] Posting with an un-identified corp or alliance in caod is against the rules =P
Mark Starkiller D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 08:46:00 - [13] Everybody who posted in this thread is a spy, except me!!! .
Raul Rincon Caldari Eth3real	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:14:00 - [14] Edited by: Raul Rincon on 18/04/2008 09:14:14 Spy sappin' mah sentry!
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:16:00 - [15] I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do?
Cazius Horizon.Inc Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Volarius I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do? suicide
5n4keyes Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Volarius I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do? remove your roles and leave quietly
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:47:00 - [18] Got some valid points. Here's some things to add to the list - When you interview pretend your doing interrogation/job interview Screen shot of their wallet showing player donations. Ask fellow corp or alliance mates if they heard or seen this person before (corp or alliance mail) Ask if they have any alts, get a ss of their login character selection and search each name on eve-o and google it. See if they have fishy behavior or been reported as spies or thiefs. Convo past CEO's of the applicant and ask if they had any trouble (also pry a little into their corp history to see how many times they jumped to corps) Tell them you will give them 24 hours with final choice. Trust your gut instinct. If it seems to good or fishy - dont recruit the person. Talk to them on voice comms (vent, teamspeak) and get to know the person. Unless they are deaf they need to either buy a mic or dont bother joining. Once recruited watch their behaviour and movements closely. Make sure their not afk allot or acting odd (logging in and weird hours, not showing up to corp ops etc). Wait at least a month before assiging anything but the most basic of roles. All said and done you cant weed out spies 100%. The above we keep the lazy and stupid ones out but not the clever ones. Those clever ones sneak in thru other corps in your alliance if your being vigiliant and might even get into your corp. Just keep an eye on the new guy is best you can do.
Cazius Horizon.Inc Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Cazius This post has been cleared of inappropriate content. Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team gamers.... no sense of humour
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:50:00 - [20] Originally by: 5n4keyes Originally by: Volarius I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do? remove your roles and leave quietly Is destiny recruiting?
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:50:00 - [21] Good tips, if employed these will keep out the weekend warriors alt accounts... but little more.
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Sopha Serpentia 1. NEVER EVER give your API out to anyone you don't know. Just because someone starts a corporation does not mean the have been blessed with special powers, or are actual authority figures. Some corps have been started with the sole purpose of scamming thier members. Ok, lets make up some information so you can back this up:- i have 2 char's on my account called Simon and Ted, Simon has 10million isk and Ted has 100million isk. Simon has mostly combat skills and currently training gunnery lvl 5 and Ted has no skills at all past what a new char has. Please explain from that information how you would ever scam some one. Originally by: Sopha Serpentia 2. NEVER EVER give your account name to anyone, ever. Its almost as bad as giving out your password. Once someone has you account name, they are 50% of the way to accessing your account. More general OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!! not knowing how the system works. In order to look at the limited API information you need User ID and API Key. User ID isn't the same as Username its close but rly isn't the same. User ID is for your API information Username is to log into EvE. (also its alot more than 50% its more like 27,000 times easier if your password and username was 10 char's long used only char's and numbers and was completly random)
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Noshi LOL @ Navigator for moving a newbie post. lol @ useless post
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Sopha Serpentia Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 18/04/2008 07:45:53 Originally by: Dragonora -ask for their API Key/user ID and use Evemon to check it and the other accounts. most of the time they will have a alt account to keep them form being noticed, and the Key can be changed after you check it. -ask for all API Keys and User IDs and check them. bingo you got the intell you need. I disagree with the whole post, I don't think anything you have suggested is helpful and can even put people in the hands of scammers. 1. NEVER EVER give your API out to anyone you don't know. Just because someone starts a corporation does not mean the have been blessed with special powers, or are actual authority figures. Some corps have been started with the sole purpose of scamming thier members. 2. NEVER EVER give your account name to anyone, ever. Its almost as bad as giving out your password. Once someone has you account name, they are 50% of the way to accessing your account. A real spy would never allow themselves to get caught with any of the ways that have been suggested. Even the OP suggest that a spy would have an alternative account. Fact is if people want to spy on you, they will and theres not much you can do about it besides limiting access of information to new members. You can ofcourse set traps to catch spies, but who'd bother. one you can change your API at anytime, once you show them once and its oked you can change it, quessing a Key is very hard to do. it is regenerated so there is no harm. this never gives an account name nor password only account names, if they are similar thats your problem. so I am stating "ONCE SEE THEN CHANGE KEY, JUST PRESS THE BUTTON AGAIN"
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Mark Starkiller Everybody who posted in this thread is a spy, except me!!! . your a spy, don't lie
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Volarius I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do? if you know the one that is a spy contact the ceo of the corp and warn him, if there is no change,more reason for that corp to not stay within the alliance.
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Mik kyo Good tips, if employed these will keep out the weekend warriors alt accounts... but little more. thanks, use this wisdom and keep it in mind
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Mavolio Originally by: Sopha Serpentia 1. NEVER EVER give your API out to anyone you don't know. Just because someone starts a corporation does not mean the have been blessed with special powers, or are actual authority figures. Some corps have been started with the sole purpose of scamming thier members. Ok, lets make up some information so you can back this up:- i have 2 char's on my account called Simon and Ted, Simon has 10million isk and Ted has 100million isk. Simon has mostly combat skills and currently training gunnery lvl 5 and Ted has no skills at all past what a new char has. Please explain from that information how you would ever scam some one. Originally by: Sopha Serpentia 2. NEVER EVER give your account name to anyone, ever. Its almost as bad as giving out your password. Once someone has you account name, they are 50% of the way to accessing your account. More general OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!! not knowing how the system works. In order to look at the limited API information you need User ID and API Key. User ID isn't the same as Username its close but rly isn't the same. User ID is for your API information Username is to log into EvE. (also its alot more than 50% its more like 27,000 times easier if your password and username was 10 char's long used only char's and numbers and was completly random) Yep, thats how it works, how nice of you to place it.
Dragonora	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:33:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD. woot :O, this is the greatest thing CCP as done for me so far..
Varus Riaz Gallente Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:48:00 - [30] Edited by: Varus Riaz on 18/04/2008 15:50:00 It's just very important not to get overly paranoid about spies. Be wary, but don't go absolutely nuts about spies because chances are that most decent sized entities and every alliance worthy of note has spies in it. It's suprising how rumors of spies affect an alliance. It can get to the point where all the corps refuse to interact at all with one another for fear of a spy. This in turn makes them easy targets.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.18 19:19:00 - [31] IF YOU'RE A CEO, DON'T READ THIS POST You can also eve-mail the CEO of the target corp, and tell him there is a GHSC operative in his corp. You don't know who is it, but most likely it's someone who was there for 6+ months and is one of the top members. Imagine the panic and the cleansing of the ranks that will follow mwhahahahahahaah :P
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.18 20:18:00 - [32] For those who disagree with the original post - well I disagree that you disagree :D Spies are everywhere, but may be less a issue for smaller low profile groups - but can be a big deal in large groups, and they are very widespread. Most major alliances, including Goonswarm, and even BoB, make extensive use of spy chains. If you didn't know about that you should just leave this thread now before making a troll comment because your ignorance is throbbing. The issue with security officers (and I have been one before) is that it's like any other system - you cannot be 100% efficient. It also becomes increasingly difficult to keep spies out, no matter what methods you may take to keep them out, if your corporation or alliance is being literally bombarded with infiltration attempts. At least one spy will get through. So what do you do? We'll if they make there way in you take the secondary measure - you monitor them. Just keep a eye on them, in the least keep them from making a move which could potentially hurt your corporation or allinace. If you have teh power, remove them before they can attempt any sabatoge. You need to be incredibly fair with everything and be incredibly thorough with investigations however - otherwise your 'security' will more-so divide corporation members because everyones so uptight about spies and fingers being pointed. I did more than security however, I actually did some espionage myself. There is 3 types of spies in my book: Saboteurs, Corruptors, and Moles. Saboteurs will infiltrate and then gain measures or take measures to sabotage and hopefully severely hurt the target group. One of the most common forms of damage done by Saboteurs is ISK/asset theft, or in rare occasions actually shutting POS's down and dismantling defenses. I personally have pulled this off on a enemy corporation before in a war and we pretty much crippled them - we eliminated half of there assets, and defected several of there members to our side as well. These are specialized agents you could say and are not often used - they are the least used agent form overall most likely. Corruptors incite rabble-rousing, cause discontent, and fights - literally these agents divide and break up the target, or at least cause disarray and failure of communications. This is not easy to do though and only corporations with weak or absent leadership are truly vulnerable to this attack. Corruptors will use any means to achieve this goal, wither their attempts are out of cold-blood or they actually have some justified meaning. Corruptors are probably the second most used agent involved in major alliance spy-chains. Moles are just information agents. We keep a low profile and make sure our target is completely unaware of our true intentions. These are the most hard to route out and long-term spies that will slowly feed information to enemies. Moles probably the majority spy involved in major alliance spy-chains.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.18 20:42:00 - [33] You could also join an alliance with your own titan, then DD their fleet and leave. :P
PMBhauler Pod Me Beautiful	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:08:00 - [34] Edited by: PMBhauler on 18/04/2008 21:10:55 A couple more things to think about doing When you have their temp api key and identify their alts. -Do a search for character name on Eve-O / Scrapheap. View their posting habits and see if a particular alt writes alt posts in suport of one of your enemies. Look up each alt in http://eve-kb.com/index.php. View past kills and losses and location. Alot of spy alts have been used as either cynos or noob scouts in enemy territories. Just a couple thoughts
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:35:00 - [35] Best way is to ask if they are a spy. Generally EvE players are honest people at heart and they will answer truthfully. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
Conq Er Sweetrock Mining	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:01:00 - [36] This is how you do it.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Volarius I suspect there is a spy in my alliance, what should I do? wth?!!! what am i paying u for v0l? vette kip. Back to ghsc and kuguts school of 733t spying Mister. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 01:41:00 - [38] I would just like to point out that I had 2 spies with < 1mil sp in wasteland during the war where 2 small corps completely obliterated them and forced them to disband, and they generally had no idea what was going on. I guess CCP likes supporting small corps regardless of the actual story. I would like to make two points: 1. API KEY API KEY API KEY 2. If said spy is a paid for account, you are defenseless (assuming you recruit publicly) i'm not an alt i just post like one
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.19 02:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Best way is to ask if they are a spy. Generally EvE players are honest people at heart and they will answer truthfully. Right - I'll believe that statement when you give me 1 billion ISK. I promise I'll give you 2 billion back - as a act of good will. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Xaldor New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:42:00 - [40] I don't think the API info will do any good, anyone who is an active/effective spy will probably have an account dedicated to it. There is nothing wrong with recruiting during war-time, it comes down to the flow of information. You need a chain of command that you are comfortable with, that you can trust and the flow of information has to be on a need-to-know basis. If someone new to the corp/alliance is getting hold of sensitive information or has access to anything then you have bigger issues. I think the large majority of spies are those that have had a falling out with their corp/alliance and like a jilted lover they know how to hurt you better than any newcomer that comes along.
Itzena GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Dragonora :words: It's you. You're the spy in the OP.
SinBin Gallente HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.04.19 20:03:00 - [42] Asking for login names is aginst the EULA & giving yours out also could cost you if you was later hacked & found to have given out your login, something a mod might wanna have said early on maybe. EVE« Online END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT B. Passwords and Names You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else.
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.19 21:19:00 - [43] Originally by: SinBin Asking for login names is aginst the EULA & giving yours out also could cost you if you was later hacked & found to have given out your login, something a mod might wanna have said early on maybe. EVE« Online END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT B. Passwords and Names You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. More ppl who dont understand how API works, its "Facts -> post opinion" not "OMG -> Post wild claims that are 99.9% always wrong"
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.20 00:59:00 - [44] Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 20/04/2008 00:59:36 Here's a completely failproof method how to keep spies out of your corp: DO NOT recruit anyone into your corp, EVER! Mwhahahahaha Unless you're a spy and you made that corp to spy on yourself..........
Rellana DAB	Posted - 2008.04.20 05:10:00 - [45] Ask goonies about their experiences with spies,since one managed to get pos passwords,and then a BOB Titan DD them in said pos.
UneFraiseDansUneChaise GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.20 05:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Rellana Ask goonies about their experiences with spies,since one managed to get pos passwords,and then a BOB Titan DD them in said pos. fyi this has happened to BoB as well
Mara Devortex	Posted - 2008.05.03 04:29:00 - [47] ok as CEO of a small corp my question to the big giant 0.0 alliances regarding spying on other alliances etc. etc. is how far is too far? Do you advocate or to;erate attacks on another Alliances forums..ive heard of this happening and it realy concerns me.
Hera Vertigo	Posted - 2008.06.06 19:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 06/06/2008 19:46:59 Edited by: Hera Vertigo on 06/06/2008 19:46:30 Originally by: Sopha Serpentia Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 18/04/2008 07:45:53 Originally by: Dragonora -ask for their API Key/user ID and use Evemon to check it and the other accounts. most of the time they will have a alt account to keep them form being noticed, and the Key can be changed after you check it. -ask for all API Keys and User IDs and check them. bingo you got the intell you need. I disagree with the whole post, I don't think anything you have suggested is helpful and can even put people in the hands of scammers. 1. NEVER EVER give your API out to anyone you don't know. Just because someone starts a corporation does not mean the have been blessed with special powers, or are actual authority figures. Some corps have been started with the sole purpose of scamming thier members. 2. NEVER EVER give your account name to anyone, ever. Its almost as bad as giving out your password. Once someone has you account name, they are 50% of the way to accessing your account. A real spy would never allow themselves to get caught with any of the ways that have been suggested. Even the OP suggest that a spy would have an alternative account. Fact is if people want to spy on you, they will and theres not much you can do about it besides limiting access of information to new members. You can ofcourse set traps to catch spies, but who'd bother. Dude, get your facts straight. Releasing a limited API key is harmless and safe and secure. It does not have any account login details or your EVE ONLINE account username or passwords..
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.06 20:08:00 - [49] Due to game mechanics it is a lot easier to deal with spies by putting your own spy into play. This way you know what your enemy knows about you and therefore the spies are canceled and we go back to square 1. This ofc only works if the information is equal which sometimes is hard to do. -------------------------------------------------
Zeitgueist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.06 20:25:00 - [50] Characters with no corp or alliance tag showing cannot post in CAOD. The OP has no tag showing. A mod moved this post to CAOD. MOD CORRUPTION! I will not allow this injustice to stand.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Rellana Ask goonies about their experiences with spies,since one managed to get pos passwords,and then a BOB Titan DD them in said pos. This is fairly easy to circumvent, and yes we did it to BoB in return (we've also been doing it to SMASH more recently). -----------
Elphy Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:22:00 - [52] How to find Spies: 1. Place a sentry 2. Wait for Spy to sap said sentry 3. Have a friendly Pyro burn Spy --------------------------------------------
spanky herman Viziam	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:44:00 - [53] I always try going to a bakery or a restaurant with a pie case, Oh my mistake this is about spies not pies. Then I'll just keep my request for blueberry with vanilla ice cream to myself.
Stinkywrix GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:35:00 - [54] it's me im the spy in the OP
Is forporn THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Stinkywrix it's me im the spy in the OP removing roles Join THE INTERNET. today
E Vile The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.07 02:24:00 - [56] Edited by: E Vile on 07/06/2008 02:28:52 This thread shouldn't have been moved it should have been locked. Don't EVER give your API and user account ID. CAN A DEV/MOD PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS. Don't ever give your account info not matter what people say about it being safe. I don't care what excuse you give for it not being a threat. It is one step closer to stealing a account. Just a setup for abusers and in NO way would root out spies. Even the wallet screenshot in itself is useless. You can easily take the menu and click on player donations with it being blank. What you need to do to HELP insure this being accurate is send the player 1 isk so you can see for sure it's showing the correct list. For your info most spies will be longstanding members you trust that get payed a **load of isk. The ONLY way to fullproof deal with spies is keeping troops on a need to know bases. Example-When we DD the Goon gatecamp recently, not even our own fleet knew what was about to happen. They were just told to get out. Only top leadership knew what was planned. Ration your important intel so if it leaks you know EXACTLY where it came from. What I mean by this is when you tell someone a fact put a detail on it in a different way for the different members you tell. Always assume you have spies, but don't get over paranoid. Spies damage can be limited to a great degree, or even used to your advantage. Never EVER give your API and user ID. Again I ask if a mod or dev can comment on this.**
Opertone SIEGE.	Posted - 2008.06.07 02:55:00 - [57] how to root out the spies don't build megacorps...
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.07 04:45:00 - [58] Originally by: E Vile Edited by: E Vile on 07/06/2008 02:28:52 This thread shouldn't have been moved it should have been locked. Don't EVER give your API and user account ID. CAN A DEV/MOD PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS. You cant log into the game with an API key. userid != username apikey != password. As long as you keep your username and password a secret you are fine, that information is not stored in the API at all. The worst thing they can find out is your character names and sift through your character skills and market transactions. --

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