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Skoot
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.18 04:58:00 -
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Im really surprised... or wait no im not.. wait Im not sure... Is this a pro goon or pro bob thread?
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the Poet
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Skoot Im really surprised... or wait no im not.. wait Im not sure... Is this a pro goon or pro bob thread?
This is a bob killed ASCN thread, in other news Goons and MC are allies... again
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Defying
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.04.18 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 18/04/2008 01:24:57 You get props for trying to see the big picture, but your analysis always falls short of full points.
A long term war of attrition isn't determined by game mechanics in the least, its just something people use as an excuse when they're frustrated. Even when game mechanics are not flawless, everyone is forced to play by the same rules. At the very least they're fair.
Plus, the mechanics we have today are much better than the ones we had when the war broke out. That didn't stop the fight then, so why should it stop now? (hint: because people want it to end)
This war ground to a halt because BoB, whilst outnumbered by simple comparison, has been fighting for one single reason since inception. One agenda vs dozens of often conflicting agendas. One alliance vs dozens of often conflicting alliances. Its pretty elementary crap, sir.
When all is said and done, most of the Coalition participants were satisfied enough by some combination of recognition, purpose, riches, security or territory. Half of them wouldn't exist today without this easy option.
Satisfying egos has always played a large part, but a year has gone by and the enemy has improved. The amount of people willing to do 90% of the effort for 10% of the gains simply to satisfy their ego is measured in the dozens.
Attacking an alliance like BoB isn't going to get the same show of hands now, and most of the people in Delve now are doing it for the sake of PVP, boredom and moral high ground. Alliances get invaded when they present the attacker with opportunities, either by being weak or direct provocation. That's the next phase of the war, where those few dozen people try and convince the rest using whatever BoB does next as leverage.
They've already started building expectations; that if BoB tries to regain its former size, they'll be beaten back in the same way. I'd keep going but I have a bluberry fritter in front of me, and its actin' all ****ty and whatnot.
good post,
covers everything and i think nails whats going on with the coaltion If bob try grow and expand back out in the same fashion as before everyone will band together
but right now only goons and PL have resolve to try finish the job, i just dont think its enough. imo once the slugfest is done and the stalemate is recognised, bob will have delve to wreak havoc amongst the former coalition while goon sit back and say you should of finished them when we had the chance
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 18/04/2008 06:26:54
Originally by: Gungankllr When ASCN was around, they had more resources sitting in Feythabolis than you can imagine. 10 Billion trit sitting in random stations, a stack of 19 million morphite in RIT.
A lot of issues were not because of the stockpile ASCN had, rather its unwillingless to use it. For example, simple stuff like a cov ops pilot trying to get a cov ops cloak was so difficult and expensive, that it was common for people to travel to Jita to buy one and bring one back as it was cheaper and often quicker this way. Often ASCN fleets were left blind or partially crippled in this manner due to PvPers having the perception of being ripped off. Other simple stuff like getting a rack of t2 guns or a hac was basically extreamly fustrating since a lot of the focus was in greed rather than alliance need. The only things that were cheaper in ASCN space was rat loot, since there was so much of it for sale, people had to drop below empire price to sell it off!
Basically, the only mirror in my opinion between the coalition and ascn is that ASCn never worked as a alliance, rather it works like a collection of corps with a blue list with most trying to get peaceful mining/ratting time. Coalition was pretty much the same, they ended up working less like a coalition and as a collection of groups with a blue list with most trying to get peaceful mining/ratting time. --
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Amanda Blue
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:27:00 -
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LOL in a GBC cirlce jerk thread \0/
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Jodax
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 18/04/2008 06:26:54
Originally by: Gungankllr When ASCN was around, they had more resources sitting in Feythabolis than you can imagine. 10 Billion trit sitting in random stations, a stack of 19 million morphite in RIT.
A lot of issues were not because of the stockpile ASCN had, rather its unwillingless to use it. For example, simple stuff like a cov ops pilot trying to get a cov ops cloak was so difficult and expensive, that it was common for people to travel to Jita to buy one and bring one back as it was cheaper and often quicker this way. Often ASCN fleets were left blind or partially crippled in this manner due to PvPers having the perception of being ripped off. Other simple stuff like getting a rack of t2 guns or a hac was basically extreamly fustrating since a lot of the focus was in greed rather than alliance need. The only things that were cheaper in ASCN space was rat loot, since there was so much of it for sale, people had to drop below empire price to sell it off!
Basically, the only mirror in my opinion between the coalition and ascn is that ASCn never worked as a alliance, rather it works like a collection of corps with a blue list with most trying to get peaceful mining/ratting time. Coalition was pretty much the same, they ended up working less like a coalition and as a collection of groups with a blue list with most trying to get peaceful mining/ratting time.
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 18/04/2008 06:59:08
Originally by: Gungankllr When BoB was losing all their space, they were pretty busy spinning the losses, which I'm sure you can all remember.
This is core of your mistake.. If it was bob that was spinning the loses, then you would have expected those same loses to actually have effected us, and it obviously hasnt..
The ppl that are spinning the region crap is the likes of you.. and now it shows.. for all your forum spam, you cant fake what's actually happening ingame.. ------------------
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Adriana Coreli
Gallente Coreli Financial Holdings
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr Regardless of what the goons do now, there are huge advantages to defending space from NPC stations.
Theres plenty of conq. stations/outposts left to take over?
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 18/04/2008 07:28:45 After so many months I couldnt imagine existance of such a huge bitternes :/ |
Mr McDee
Ancient Crew
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:37:00 -
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OP you'd better focus on fighting your current enemies, instead of posting such senseless topics about BoB.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 18/04/2008 09:50:10
I was gonna quote your entire OP gungan. I think you're actually trying to be a nice not too embittered or delusional chap you see.
However, thats too much effort. The forum game gets old too.
So, let me explain my vieuw. We sat in Delve, Fountain and Period Basis, with Querious under Fix control. This would be a good while back before the ASCN thing.
We would go roam a bit here and there. Catch, Stain, Fountain (.0/ INSRG) and up to the north. Because well, everything around us was blue or already dead. There wasn't much to get into a good old fashioned GNW-style conflict with.
From the long history we had with the northern entities (more or less the same ones that are there now. Same ****, different day), we knew they weren't gonna act on their own. ASCN was pretty self- confident, and most of the rest was either too far, too small of occupied otherwise.
So we attacked ASCN, MC attacked D2, and general mayhem ensued eve-wide. I think we more or less expected that doing this stuff succesfully would mean that the rest (the northern napfest and evetything east of ASCN with exception of LV) would get seriously sick of us. Maybe enough to finally get their asses in motion and come attack us from wherever they ended up living at.
And so they did. Cue a whole lot of name changes and corps running back ond forth between alliances and here we are: the north band with the new RSF and everybody and his mother grab a coattail and hang onto it.
And of course we're not going to defend space 50 jumps away from Delve against an attack on three fronts. That is fun as long as you can keep it up to run from one end to the other in time to gank some caps at both ends. At some point tho even basic common sense on your enemies' part will mean you can't keep it up. So you shorten the distance between fronts.
And that's what we did.
NPC space has little to do with it. Would we have lost all stations in Delve we could, then it would have come down to denying eachother movement. But that never got to be an issue since no attack on our infrastructure in Delve was ever succesfull enough to make it hard for us to move, produce, or form up and fight.
The will on the coalition side broke way before we ever got to that point.
Predictable ? Somewhat yes. The coalition is too much of a heap of failure-ego's to ever work together well enough to finish us off. Numbers-wise, logistically and titan-, cynojammer- or even pos-spam-wise there's not a single reason for us to still be in delve at this point.
The only reason is simply because we're better then you coalition alliances individually, and you are too damn dumb to work together to beat us collectively.
Of course, It's been fun, So I'm not gonna think less of anyone because of it. The only single reason that alliances like many in the old coalition still exist howeveris that there's only so many BoB's and RA's in Eve Online.
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 18/04/2008 09:50:10
And of course we're not going to defend space 50 jumps away from Delve against an attack on three fronts.
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The only reason is simply because we're better then you coalition alliances individually, and you are too damn dumb to work together to beat us collectively.
So you cannot defend 50 jumps from home but if your enemies cannot effectively attack 50 jumps from theirs this is purely because they are dumb.
Makes perfect sense if you've been stuck in an opinion echo chamber for a while.
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Kaleeb
Gods Unwanted Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:26:00 -
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When the war started I was pro Goon, after all it felt like it was finally time someone stood up to Bob etc etc. The main reason I disliked bob? Well I respected their alliance and pvp'rs but it was the forum arrogance that got me.
Whether it was a plan or not Bob stopped posting on the forums as they were pushed back and Goons began to spam every thread going making CAOD pretty pointless to read.
It was around this time that I began to think "I hope Bob win", maybe i'm like Welsh and a sucker for the underdog but certainly shows me that forum's have an effect on the spectators...
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Hast
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube
Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 18/04/2008 09:50:10
And of course we're not going to defend space 50 jumps away from Delve against an attack on three fronts.
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The only reason is simply because we're better then you coalition alliances individually, and you are too damn dumb to work together to beat us collectively.
So you cannot defend 50 jumps from home but if your enemies cannot effectively attack 50 jumps from theirs this is purely because they are dumb.
Makes perfect sense if you've been stuck in an opinion echo chamber for a while.
what he said is that they cant defend on three fronts 50 odd jumps apart.
Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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fuze
Gallente InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Predictable ? Somewhat yes. The coalition is too much of a heap of failure-ego's to ever work together well enough to finish us off. Numbers-wise, logistically and titan-, cynojammer- or even pos-spam-wise there's not a single reason for us to still be in delve at this point.
Fair enough that the coalition could have worked together better but in the end it all boiled down to flawed game mechanics. Anyone with a half a brain knows this. Not that any Bob would admit this in public since it would hurt their e-peen.
Quote: The only reason is simply because we're better then you coalition alliances individually, and you are too damn dumb to work together to beat us collectively.
Thats why Bob only can thrive with their divide and conquer tactics. But what's easily forgotten is the fact that Bob hardly has any friends left so if they start attacking single alliances its way easier to defend with a smaller number of alliances than before Bob successfully defended their HQ system. Pherhaps Bob learned from RSF that picking of alliances one by one starting with the easiest is the best way to go. First remove the enemies from Querious and ceil off Period Basis. Then start on the Tortugans.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: fuze Fair enough that the coalition could have worked together better but in the end it all boiled down to flawed game mechanics. Anyone with a half a brain knows this. Not that any Bob would admit this in public since it would hurt their e-peen.
Oh puhlease.
What is it this time ? Are we on the subject of titans, cynojammers, lag, passive targeters, pos bugs or pos gunnery ?
Excuses excuses excuses. We've shown how to take down cynojammers in 7 minutes with a fleet that the coalition should be able to triple easily. We shown how to kill a titan (and some of you actually have experience there too), and we've shown how to use them.
Do you need us to hold your hand and come FC your fleet for you or what ?
Every issue you as the coalition have run into is to be directly attributed to faults of your own. Wether it is inability to communicate, unwillingness to put your (super)capitals on the line, inability to get some discipline into your fleets, a shortage of creativity or a simple matter of security, none of them lead back to game mechanic faults.
Why is it we can do everything you'd need to do to take us down without any problems yet you seem to run into flawed game mechanics all day long ?
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:02:00 -
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Certain parts of the coalition have different goals and agenda's from other parts which means that it's very difficult to keep focus on what needs to be done to secure a victory. Therein lies the problem.
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Antaree
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:03:00 -
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Indeed, BoB showed us countless times how to take a cynojammed system with 8 titans sitting on faction fitted pos when even the freaking gate swarming with figters wont load before half of the fleet is torn out by those lag-less little bee's...
And stop the crying about the game mechanics, everyone with half brain understands that cynojammer and multiple titans are completely fine and beatable |
Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:07:00 -
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After so many times it has been explained, ppl don't want to understand that renters are not friends. You keep listing and counting blues that never fought in the war because they weren't meant to. Fact is BoB was alone during most of the conflict on frontlines. Exception was MC + BoB when MC failed to manage efficiently the catch frontline.
Another fact is the only real victories of the coalition taking a station system are only : 9-9 and QY6. I can remember that we even manage to keep total control during 2 weeks in FAT/25S where coalition presence was RSF + AAA + IAC.
Then we needed to reduce distances within frontlines. We decided to radicaly reduce our space to Delve (PB was not interresting) and try to get the fight at home after being a year at 50 jumps from home on different frontlines.
Another thing makes me smile. People saying we lost numbers and gaining more from recruiting our renters is a nice propaganda essai. Fact is all core members, formers who were active at the war beginning are still here, richer and more active then they were before.
As of financial status and other crap about how BoB pilots wallets are low, I'll just point one thing you can actually check by yourself : 2.1 Trilion has been invested on supercaps by members and corps since the war started.
PS : Now post how we lost patheticaly 500 regions and how we are a failure. Who need regions, except miners and ratters ?
DICE French Wing ___ Fear the french touch.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Antaree Indeed, BoB showed us countless times how to take a cynojammed system with 8 titans sitting on faction fitted pos when even the freaking gate swarming with figters wont load before half of the fleet is torn out by those lag-less little bee's...
And stop the crying about the game mechanics, everyone with half brain understands that cynojammer and multiple titans are completely fine and beatable
Sure they are.
The coalition has what ? 15 titans combined now ? How may members they could call on to be in their fleet ?
A little while ago we took qy6 and later 49-. Both cyojammed systems with so called "deathstar" pos's in them.
So yes, in the last couple of weeks we have defeated cynjammed systems with 15 potential titans sitting in them on faciton fitted pos with the freaking gates potentially swarming with fighters and not loading before half the fleet is torn apart by lagless little bees.
Good aren't we ? We managed to get you lot so down that you didn't even show up to defend those systems and prevent us from taking them. Boy, am I glad warfare is more then just adding up titans and sniper BS numbers and calculating wether or not it's worth a try today or not. And here you are pretending we are not better than you.
p.s. fighters dont attack on their own accord. I wonder how come coalition members can't seem to think of that little fact very often. [center] Old blog |
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Rheinkraft
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:14:00 -
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Go BoB tbh
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Amanda Blue
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: fuze Fair enough that the coalition could have worked together better but in the end it all boiled down to flawed game mechanics. Anyone with a half a brain knows this. Not that any Bob would admit this in public since it would hurt their e-peen.
Oh puhlease.
What is it this time ? Are we on the subject of titans, cynojammers, lag, passive targeters, pos bugs or pos gunnery ?
Excuses excuses excuses. We've shown how to take down cynojammers in 7 minutes with a fleet that the coalition should be able to triple easily. We shown how to kill a titan (and some of you actually have experience there too), and we've shown how to use them.
Do you need us to hold your hand and come FC your fleet for you or what ?
Every issue you as the coalition have run into is to be directly attributed to faults of your own. Wether it is inability to communicate, unwillingness to put your (super)capitals on the line, inability to get some discipline into your fleets, a shortage of creativity or a simple matter of security, none of them lead back to game mechanic faults.
Why is it we can do everything you'd need to do to take us down without any problems yet you seem to run into flawed game mechanics all day long ?
So you're saying that your alliance would still have space in 0.0 pre-cynojammer?
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:17:00 -
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I heard bob are arrogant, c/d?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Blue
So you're saying that your alliance would still have space in 0.0 pre-cynojammer?
F-T wasn't cynojammed was it ? 49- isn't, 3btk isn't, qy6 isn't, 9cg isn't.
It takes the whole of 7-8 minutes to take down a cynojammer. After those 7-8 minutes you can jump in your complete arsenal of capitals and supercapitals.
How ******* easy do you need it to be ?
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Amanda Blue
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Amanda Blue
So you're saying that your alliance would still have space in 0.0 pre-cynojammer?
F-T wasn't cynojammed was it ? 49- isn't, 3btk isn't, qy6 isn't, 9cg isn't.
It takes the whole of 7-8 minutes to take down a cynojammer. After those 7-8 minutes you can jump in your complete arsenal of capitals and supercapitals.
How ******* easy do you need it to be ?
Ok you explained that part already. But used in conjunction with several titans how is a support fleet suppose to take it down? I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, it would effect you the same way. |
Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:26:00 -
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Goonswarm has destroyed all of BoB's publically claimed goals before the war started.
If you think in any way, shape or form that Goonswarm has lost you are more worse than a moron.
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Seth Quantix
Domination. Scorched Earth.
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Seth Quantix on 18/04/2008 11:31:39
Originally by: Hrin This thread was pretty bad until BoB came in and told us how awesome they are for getting rid of those regions they didn't want.
Thats when it got good
Shame,
Have you tried to switch the role of a cyno jammer the way you try and switch the context of a post?
If you where as good at the former as you are the later you would not have to undock.
I for one am glad that goons got spanked and taught a lesson,,,,,they suck!
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Seth Quantix
Domination. Scorched Earth.
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi Goonswarm has destroyed all of BoB's publically claimed goals before the war started.
If you think in any way, shape or form that Goonswarm has lost you are more worse than a moron.
lol.
did they win?
have they drawn?
Are they going to be able to carry on?
if you give me a yes then you have taken too much drugs!
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi Goonswarm has destroyed all of BoB's publically claimed goals before the war started.
If you think in any way, shape or form that Goonswarm has lost you are more worse than a moron.
Well this is not what you can read on their own forums since months. So I think, for believing all RP like we will take all 0.0, you are the moron here.
DICE French Wing ___ Fear the french touch.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tassi on 18/04/2008 11:41:19 It completely depends on your definition of "winning".
Band of Brothers have publically "boasted" out promises and "goals" which were all thwarted by GoonSwarm. I would define this as a win.
Although you could see it like that, GoonSwarm are losers but BoB are even bigger ones
EDIT:
Originally by: Fire Hawk we will take all 0.0
I am of course not refering to this kind of "masterpiece", PR wise
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