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The CandyGirl Amarr the united Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Darius Brinn Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, durrr, you lose less ISK when you pay a ransom and be on your merry way. Which is why it's a mutually beneficent arrangement. Of course. IF you had anything but the looter's word for it. Which is always the only thing you have. The day I accept paying a ransom would be the day the pirate can get Chribba to convo me and verify the operation just a tip don't ever fly around with expensive implants then.... There are ways to pop the pods of people, who block you or are just a **** while you are ransoming them and won't pay, before they can warp off . ransoms are mutually beneficial to both parties... you are not only getting away with your and ship all your mods, but your pod and implants as well. Who knows one of those BS right next to you might have a full rack of smartbombs waiting for your ship to pop so he can pop your pod
MirrorGod Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:52:00 - [32] It's in the code Recruitment: [ANTI]
Thamuzz Minmatar Nexus Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.20 11:57:00 - [33] Originally by: The CandyGirl Originally by: Darius Brinn Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, durrr, you lose less ISK when you pay a ransom and be on your merry way. Which is why it's a mutually beneficent arrangement. Of course. IF you had anything but the looter's word for it. Which is always the only thing you have. The day I accept paying a ransom would be the day the pirate can get Chribba to convo me and verify the operation just a tip don't ever fly around with expensive implants then.... There are ways to pop the pods of people, who block you or are just a **** while you are ransoming them and won't pay, before they can warp off . ransoms are mutually beneficial to both parties... you are not only getting away with your and ship all your mods, but your pod and implants as well. Who knows one of those BS right next to you might have a full rack of smartbombs waiting for your ship to pop so he can pop your pod Or there's plan B, fly in your jump clone in a ship fit for pvp with some like minded lads = wow no ransom!
Lukeios	Posted - 2008.04.20 19:13:00 - [34] Pfft, I fight back. No free ride for the rats.
Quaintaina Minmatar Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2008.04.20 21:57:00 - [35] I very rarely ransom these days, partly because of the risk, mostly because 90% of the people dont stop firing when i do, and i ask them to as well <.< the last time i ransomed was several months ago actually, on a rigged drake. we needed quite a few people to take shields down :P i think he was happy tho, since his really expensive ship didnt pop :) 10 mill per person, 5 people :p when i on rare occasions ask for a ransom, or the victim asks, i demand what (hopefully) is an appropriate price, and get on with my life with one less kill mail on the KB
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.04.21 04:24:00 - [36] based on the situation tbfh. If I catch you in lowsec in a cruiser, while I probably wont ransom, if I do I will honour it. Now if I pull a lofty on your ass, ransom, I will still pop you. Otherwise I woulda only got the 1 bil from my ransom of a golem, rather than the 1 bil, and another 7bil in loot... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.04.21 08:47:00 - [37] Originally by: The CandyGirl just a tip don't ever fly around with expensive implants then.... I doubt I will ever fly with more than 100 or 120 millions worth of implants. Which, of course, I am ready to lose and replace at any given time. EVE is full of cool chaps, and is also packed with morons. I simply do not wish to interact with anybody that tries to extort me. Shoot me down, don't convo me, pop my pod, leave me alone, I move on. I don't know if pirates actually like ransoming, or if it's a favour done to victims. And I don't care. Pirates will get what they can pull from my wreck. Quote: There are ways to pop the pods of people, who block you or are just a ** while you are ransoming them and won't pay, before they can warp off . I know. Last (and only) time I pirate got me I mailed him about his ship (a Phobos, which I liked very much), and whether I had been fast enough, or my pod had been spared. It had been spared. The dude was extremely nice and helpful, and explained to me how pods can be easily got. I still don't care. I fly what I can afford to lose, and the same principle applies to my implants. Quote:** ransoms are mutually beneficial to both parties... you are not only getting away with your and ship all your mods, but your pod and implants as well. Who knows one of those BS right next to you might have a full rack of smartbombs waiting for your ship to pop so he can pop your pod Ransoms are beneficial to pirate ego, their thirst for yarr convos through the chat window and coming to this board to post emotes. I'd pay no ransoms simply because there have been one too many horror stories. I don't trust anybody. http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg
Slinky Malinky Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.21 09:42:00 - [38] Edited by: Slinky Malinky on 21/04/2008 09:44:19 Originally by: MirrorGod It's in the code[/url] and yet in the topic just above one of your victims has delivered clear proof of a dishonored ransom. AND your own member confirmed it Linkage i am 100% for piracy and have asked and sometimes received ransoms myself. But YOU are EXACTLY the reason why people choose not to pay.
Marcus Xavier Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Duncan Bannatyne Now, usually when I go through these forums it's full of pubbie whining scum who are moaning about pirates not paying ransoms, of course this brings the bad name for every pirate out there and destroys financial opportunities. A year ago while salvaging wrecks in low-sec, I was jumped by a baby pirate. I managed to get her down to structure but, because I was not really equipped for a fight, she warped off. Had I been equipped properly, I could tell you whether pirates do pay ransoms. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis
Gaia Thorn Villains	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:10:00 - [40] Villains tolerate no dishonor in ransoming.. If i find myself dishonoring it ill kick myself from the corp.
Huberek Morchu	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Gaia Thorn Villains tolerate no dishonor in ransoming.. If i find myself dishonoring it ill kick myself from the corp. Forgive me if this is obvious, but since when can pirates be trusted? Trustworthy Pirate is an oxymoron. A pirate will honor ransoms up until the one time he decides hed rather just kill you anyway.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.21 14:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Huberek Morchu Originally by: Gaia Thorn Villains tolerate no dishonor in ransoming.. If i find myself dishonoring it ill kick myself from the corp. Forgive me if this is obvious, but since when can pirates be trusted? Trustworthy Pirate is an oxymoron. A pirate will honor ransoms up until the one time he decides hed rather just kill you anyway. You need to look past the fact that the pirate is pointing a gun in your face, saying "Trust me". You make more money honouring ransoms, than you make when you don't honour them (50 milloin for me last week). Most pirates convo you when they want to ransom, so I advice you to keep your mouth shut, unless you are dealing with someone trusworthy, like: Veto, The Python Cartel, etc. (Not that we are that well known, but we DO honour ransoms)
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.04.21 15:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Inertial You need to look past the fact that the pirate is pointing a gun in your face, saying "Trust me". You make more money honouring ransoms, than you make when you don't honour them (50 milloin for me last week). Excuse me, but this fails. You make more money ransoming and then blowing up the ship, which is why it's done. Some people might honour them, but believe me, I have already forgotten the names and corps of those who posted in this thread swearing they do. The truth is that they DO have a gun in your face and are extorting you. I would cancel any attempts at communication and hope for nothing good to drop from my wreck. That's all. No trust for pirates is the most intelligent thing to do, if you take into account the fact that if you get ransomed AND killed even once, it will itch you forever. Quote: (Not that we are that well known, but we DO honour ransoms) Unfortunately it matters not. One day you might decide you feel like blowing something up and don't honour it. The best thing I can do for my own ego if I get caught is ignore them and accept that if my ship is caught, it's going to be destroyed and the implants lost. http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg
Huberek Morchu	Posted - 2008.04.21 15:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Inertial Originally by: Huberek Morchu Originally by: Gaia Thorn Villains tolerate no dishonor in ransoming.. If i find myself dishonoring it ill kick myself from the corp. Forgive me if this is obvious, but since when can pirates be trusted? Trustworthy Pirate is an oxymoron. A pirate will honor ransoms up until the one time he decides hed rather just kill you anyway. You need to look past the fact that the pirate is pointing a gun in your face, saying "Trust me". You make more money honouring ransoms, than you make when you don't honour them (50 milloin for me last week). Most pirates convo you when they want to ransom, so I advice you to keep your mouth shut, unless you are dealing with someone trusworthy, like: Veto, The Python Cartel, etc. (Not that we are that well known, but we DO honour ransoms) You are the ones who chose to be Pirates. If you are going to make a living by attacking others who have no wish to fight, then you will have to accept the bad reputation that comes with it. You can trust a pirate as far as you can throw them, which is not at all. A pirate is someone who takes something they did not earn, and that they do not own. Thats a bad foot to get off on when you want someone to trust you. Paying a ransom is simply another risk you take. I agree with the others that will never pay a ransom. You simply cant reward bad behavior.
Tchell Dahhn Amarr Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.04.21 15:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Huberek Morchu You are the ones who chose to be Pirates. If you are going to make a living by attacking others who have no wish to fight, then you will have to accept the bad reputation that comes with it. You can trust a pirate as far as you can throw them, which is not at all. A pirate is someone who takes something they did not earn, and that they do not own. Thats a bad foot to get off on when you want someone to trust you. Paying a ransom is simply another risk you take. I agree with the others that will never pay a ransom. You simply cant reward bad behavior. I'll be honest - I had the exact same opinion in my first few posts here in C&P, in the first couple of weeks of playing. I came in with the ***sure, "I'm gonna be a pirate, and then I'm gonna ransom people, and then blow them up! Why? Because I'm a pirate! Y'arr!"... ...and I got totally blindsided with the responses that came from it! I received wave upon wave of responses, from true pirates, pirate Corps, wannabe pirates, and even noobs like myself, who knew* the truth. Simply put, if you don't honor a ransom, you make other pirates look bad, and that costs them money in the long run. Take your opinion, for example. One seemingly 'bad egg' has made you question whether or not a ransom would be honored. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
Tidas Andrommeda Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:50:00 - [46] Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 21/04/2008 17:50:37 To be quite honest, equating those that do not honor ransoms to pirates is the same as equating those that make missioning/industry their main profession to farmers and isk sellers. Pirates are honorable. Its those that go about mascarading as pirates that have no honor and in general are the types that EVERYONE wants dead. EDIT: spelling Originally by: cal nereus I like it when ships outrun missiles. It adds flavor to my soup. And by soup I mean gaming experience. And by flavor I mean "haha, you use missiles!"
Jaedar Metron I G N O T U S	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:58:00 - [47] I don't get why people are ranting about that pirates can never be honorable... newsflash: It's a GAME. That means that whether their honorable or not depends on the person playing the game, not what he is labeled
Tchell Dahhn Amarr Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Jaedar Metron newsflash: It's a GAME. This is true, but for some, it's more. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
Huberek Morchu	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Tidas Andrommeda Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 21/04/2008 17:50:37 To be quite honest, equating those that do not honor ransoms to pirates is the same as equating those that make missioning/industry their main profession to farmers and isk sellers. Pirates are honorable. Its those that go about mascarading as pirates that have no honor and in general are the types that EVERYONE wants dead. EDIT: spelling Except that again, by virtue of being a pirate, the first interaction you have with one is youre minding your own business when they attack you, hold a gun to your head, and say, pay up. I dont have a problem with this, its part of the game. I simply and not going to buy into any nonsense that a pirate can be trusted. They can only be trusted until they cant, which is up to them. And Im for sure not going to pay someone not to blow me up. That just rewarding theivery. If anything, its the idiots that keep paying which makes the pirates keep doing it.
Tchell Dahhn Amarr Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:21:00 - [50] Originally by: Huberek Morchu And Im for sure not going to pay someone not to blow me up. Spoken like a true carebear. Had I been given the chance to pay a few mil to keep the +3 implants I lost, I would have paid up. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
Tidas Andrommeda Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Huberek Morchu Originally by: Tidas Andrommeda Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 21/04/2008 17:50:37 To be quite honest, equating those that do not honor ransoms to pirates is the same as equating those that make missioning/industry their main profession to farmers and isk sellers. Pirates are honorable. Its those that go about mascarading as pirates that have no honor and in general are the types that EVERYONE wants dead. EDIT: spelling Except that again, by virtue of being a pirate, the first interaction you have with one is youre minding your own business when they attack you, hold a gun to your head, and say, pay up. I dont have a problem with this, its part of the game. I simply and not going to buy into any nonsense that a pirate can be trusted. They can only be trusted until they cant, which is up to them. And Im for sure not going to pay someone not to blow me up. That just rewarding theivery. If anything, its the idiots that keep paying which makes the pirates keep doing it. Pirates do what they say they will to be quite honest. For instance if I were to say I will not kill you if you leave immediatly, then I won't. I have several people I have told I will let go and did. And to be quite honest, even if I never made 0.01 ISK from pirating from today till whenever I stopped playing eve, its posts like yours that provide the true motivation to continue in my current path. Originally by: cal nereus I like it when ships outrun missiles. It adds flavor to my soup. And by soup I mean gaming experience. And by flavor I mean "haha, you use missiles!"
Gaia Thorn Villains	Posted - 2008.04.21 20:04:00 - [52] Tbh i very seldom ask for ransom .. im to blind to whats in the ship. Anyone who tries to convo just makes me believe there is something exspensive in the ship. I personally think you "carebears" have it to good, just look at the ship u fly into lowsec. Popped a badger with 3 cargo rigs and he didnt even try to convo or talk in local. sure i dont gain any ISK for it but if 1 hauler of 100 contains good loot and it drops its worth it.
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.04.22 07:18:00 - [53] Quote: Spoken like a true carebear. Had I been given the chance to pay a few mil to keep the +3 implants I lost, I would have paid up Well, it's your choice to put your virtual ship, your virtual cargo and your virtual implants in the hands of a bugger sitting in front of his keyboard God knows where. I, for one, don't welcome our new pirate overlords. No clown anywhere is going to have that kind of choice with me. Got me because I play a miner and you play a pirate? Fine. But that's about it. The concept of "pirate honor codes" give me a chuckle. Like Jack Sparrow & mates, only much less fun: "And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules" http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.22 07:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Huberek Morchu A pirate is someone who takes something they did not earn, and that they do not own I did earn it by blowing the previous owner up, and I do own it, because it is in my cargohold.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.22 10:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Darius Brinn Quote: Spoken like a true carebear. Had I been given the chance to pay a few mil to keep the +3 implants I lost, I would have paid up Well, it's your choice to put your virtual ship, your virtual cargo and your virtual implants in the hands of a bugger sitting in front of his keyboard God knows where. I, for one, don't welcome our new pirate overlords. No clown anywhere is going to have that kind of choice with me. Got me because I play a miner and you play a pirate? Fine. But that's about it. The concept of "pirate honor codes" give me a chuckle. Like Jack Sparrow & mates, only much less fun: "And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules" For someone who's in a corp that has been around ages you really don't understand the concept of EVE very well.
Chikou	Posted - 2008.04.22 10:52:00 - [56] I do honour them allthough i am far from a full time pirate. i just take the operotunity if its there. money is money after all. (and this is a alt ofcourse to lazy to switch to other acount)
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.04.22 11:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Tzar'rim For someone who's in a corp that has been around ages you really don't understand the concept of EVE very well. The concept of EVE has nothing to do with whichever way I decide to confront the fact that I am being mugged. It is my choice to incur in great losses rather than giving a clown the power to decide whether I will incur in lesser...or greater losses. It's my choice, and it fits perfectly with myself. My corp has nothing to do with it and definitely your claimining I don't "get" EVE for not accepting extortion is rather gratuituous. If any, the concept of EVE is that **** happens. I can move on and recover my losses, and will definitely not comply with any pirate requests. Care to explain about my not understanding the "concept of EVE" by stating I don't play the ransoms game?
Huberek Morchu	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Huberek Morchu And Im for sure not going to pay someone not to blow me up. Spoken like a true carebear. Had I been given the chance to pay a few mil to keep the +3 implants I lost, I would have paid up. Spoken like a true pirate. Real honor is never surrendering. If the one thing I can do when caught is keep a pirate from getting what he wants, then I consider the day won. I can always get new implants.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Darius Brinn blahblah e-honor I'm morally better and every pirate eats babies, ps I forgot this is a pvp game Wait, what? I have no problem with your stance on not wanting to pay, as you stated that's your right. I just get the mental picture of you frothing at mouth while replying in this thread or when you get 'mugged'. Do you yell at people when they kill you in BF2142?
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: Darius Brinn blahblah e-honor I'm morally better and every pirate eats babies, ps I forgot this is a pvp game Wait, what? I have no problem with your stance on not wanting to pay, as you stated that's your right. I just get the mental picture of you frothing at mouth while replying in this thread or when you get 'mugged'. Do you yell at people when they kill you in BF2142? First of all, EVE =/= life. It's a game. I enjoy GTA games and I don't really find murdering people fun in real life, so EVE pirates have all the right to have their way. Thumbs up for that. My point in this topic is that I don't want to pay, which you claim to have no problem with. Simple as that. There are players pretending to be pirates, so they are not to be trusted. I do not really froth, or make anything out of it, outside the game. I merely claim it's stupid to trust your goods into the hands of a hostile, and that it's better to lose something than giving them the power to decide whether you go or explode. I don't yell at people when I get killed in games. Not in EVE, not in any other game. Where did you get this wrong "mental" picture of me? And you haven't answered. What does my not wanting to pay have to do with me not understanding the concept of EVE, Tzar'rim?? http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg

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