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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.20 10:54:00 -
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As far as I can see BACON is simply an audio version of local. The problems are inherent with Local and the need for players to find others / conceal themselves.
Im reminded of Winterblinks comment on his warp drive active pod cast - picture the scene where a PC blurts out a warning - hubby crashes through the kitchen barging wife out of the way shouting 'Out of the way woman! My internet spaceship is in danger!'
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:51:00 -
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The problem isnt spefically with BACON or similar apps.
Its a question of warning and reaction times. I doubt anyone can agree as to how much advanced warning of a threat a player needs, or should have - thats aptly demonstrated by the use of alts and the debate over local.
Needless to say an audible alarm is a significant advantage: thats also demonstrated by the large number of 'audible' alarms in use in the world today, from a fighter jets missile lock alarm to your microwave or kettle.
Visual alarms can go unnoticed - audible alarms often are not: its a hardwired defence mechanism in almost every species.
CCP need to go back and look at Intel: specifically the scanner. How should a players in game awareness of his surroundings and their level of threat be displayed? Thats the issue.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.20 21:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Corwain
Well I've gotta agree with you that the root of the problem is that local makes it too easy to run at the first sign of trouble. As someone why prefers to fly Force Recons and Covops cause of the stealth factor I've gotta admit--there's REALLY no such thing as stealth in EVE. Just inattention, which is why I hate the idea of this program. The one person I can actually catch before they SS and cloak because they're watching TV or surfing the net while they're ratting will now have a little voice come on saying "Hey, someone's here, SS and cloak".
But I still don't think that makes the program any less cheating.
The root of the problem is not local. The root of the problem is that once "hey, someones there" the "log off" or "safe and cloak" is too easy and offers no pvp recourse.
Its a double edged argument actually.
The attacker strives to remain hidden in order to catch his prey.
The defender strives to see the attacker in order to escape.
The solution to this circular argument must lie in how the player recieves information on the "who", "what" and "where" of other players in a system and how quickly that occurs.
This goes to the core of the 'intel' framework of local, the overview, and the scanner. What is needed is a singular UI that displays elements of this information but within limitations: i.e a set of falible senses which have their own unique limitations.
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Cailais
Amarr
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Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.21 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Talarn Kalarn
Originally by: Eronysis
Edited by: Eronysis on 21/04/2008 06:22:57
Goumindong is one of the few people on this thread actually reading everything and making informed statements. I think there is some general confusion as to coherency in arguments, and ones emotional output. IE many here seem to respond much more readily to hysteria than reason.
Despite claims to the contrary, his arguments have plenty of logic in them... I guess a lot of people only see logic as an argument they agree with.
/signed.
Whilst I dont agree with everything Goumindong say, heck I dont agree with most of what he says you have to admit the blokes passionate about EVE and very willing to wade into the forum community and argue the merits, or otherwise, of an argument.
One of my votes is going to Jade Constantine - Goumindong is certainly in the running for my second vote because hes here - debating the issues, getting involved and standing his ground: I cant think what else you could need from a candidate.
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